Neutron Star Density

moonbogg

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Neutron stars are so dense that if you could dip a teaspoon into one of them and scoop out some of its neutrons the spoon would weigh 100 million tons. If you were to hold that empty teaspoon just one yard above the star's surface and drop it, it would strike the surface at 4.3 million mph. (from NASA website).
 

dainthomas

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Neutron stars are so dense that if you could dip a teaspoon into one of them and scoop out some of its neutrons the spoon would weigh 100 million tons. If you were to hold that empty teaspoon just one yard above the star's surface and drop it, it would strike the surface at 4.3 million mph. (from NASA website).

There is some crazy-ass stuff out there. Imagine stuffing the entire earth into something about the size of the Superdome.
 

moonbogg

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There is some crazy-ass stuff out there. Imagine stuffing the entire earth into something about the size of the Superdome.

Probably. Also, if you stuff the earth into something 3cm across, then you have enough density for black hole collapse.
 

z1ggy

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I'm bored so I just did a quick calc based on the 1 yard thing above, and the speed being 4.3 million MPH and got the G forces on that teaspoon being......200,000g's.

0_0

Correct me if I'm wrong?
 

moonbogg

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black holes are far denser than neutron stars

Yeah for sure. But that's what you need to make the earth collapse. Condense it to the size of a small marble (3cm...the whole earth into a 3cm ball) and boom, you got a black hole.
 
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I'm bored so I just did a quick calc based on the 1 yard thing above, and the speed being 4.3 million MPH and got the G forces on that teaspoon being......200,000g's.

0_0

Correct me if I'm wrong?

Sorry, I'd rather look it up that redo the math.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_gravity

"Greater than 10^11 times that of Earth) so... more than 100 billion g.

Dunno which neutron star they use as an example though.
 

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Seriously?

Final velocity squared = initial velocity squared + 2 * acceleration * distance
It would fall a distance of one yard (let's say, 1 meter)
Since the initial velocity is 0 , final velocity = square root of (2 * accel * dist) = sqrt(2 * accel * 1meter) = sqrt (2*acceleration)

= sqrt(2) * sqrt(acceleration)

Newton's law of gravitation: Force due to gravity = Universal gravitational constant * mass of object A * mass of object B, divided by the distances between their centers of mass (assuming a spherical spoon)

Since this would provide the net force acting on the spoon, and force = mass times acceleration, the acceleration is equal to the force divided by the mass. Thus, the mass of the spoon is irrelevant since the mass of the spoon cancels out. (i.e., if you drop a copper ball and a lead ball from the same height, they hit the ground at the same time).

So, the acceleration = universal gravitational constant, times the mass, divided by the distance squared.

Substituting, that gives a final velocity of sqrt(2) times sqrt(G * mass of neutron star) divided by r (the sqrt of r² is just r)

The mass of a typical neutron star is approximately 1.4 to 2 solar masses; let's go with 2. So, replacing mass with 2solar masses reduces to

final velocity = 2*sqrt(G * solar mass)/r

The typical diameter of a neutron star is around 12 kilometers, so, the distance is around 6000 kilometers. (6000 + 1 if the 12km is precise) The solar mass is just shy of 2 x 10^30 kg, and the universal gravitational constant is 6.67 x 10^-11 Nm²/kg²... let's see...

3849 meters per second. (multiply by 2.2)

I got roughly 8500 miles per hour.

edit: miles per second, not miles per hour. Derp!
 
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moonbogg

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Two solar masses crammed into a sphere about 7.5 miles across...holy shit. Also, zero to 8,500mph in a yard is fast enough for me...just saying. If I had to guess, I'd go with NASA's calculation because its much cooler.
 

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Sure enough, I made a slight error. It's 3850 meters per second; the number rounded up. Still, roughly 8500 miles per hour.


edit: derp, miles per second. 3600 seconds in an hour. So, a little over 3 million miles per hour. That was dumb of me!
 
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Grooveriding

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It does you no good to come into this thread and talk like that. I'm already married.

So am I qt

OT: My favourite series I have seen as yet explaining the universe was the one on the History channel. Some of that stuff is just beyond comprehension. When they got into the super massive blackhole at the heart of the Milky Way, and the sheer enormity of the size and distances between everything out there, is when it dawned on me that we are likely never going to get anywhere beyond Mars at best, barring someone discovering a way to break the laws of physics as they are currently known.
 
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SlowSpyder

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So am I qt

OT: My favourite series I have seen as yet explaining the universe was the one on the History channel. Some of that stuff is just beyond comprehension. When they got into the super massive blackhole at the heart of the Milky Way, and the sheer enormity of the size and distances between everything out there, is when it dawned on me that we are likely never going to get anywhere beyond Mars at best, barring someone discovering a way to break the laws of physics as they are currently known.


I watch those shows and think about what would be involved to travel beyond our solar system. I think one day it may be possible. We're probably like early astronomers looking through telescopes and seeing blurry images of Jupiter or Mars and wondering what is there, will we ever be able to find out. Unfortunately, there are lots of questions that won't be answered in my lifetime that I have about the universe. And certainly there will be new discoveries that create even more questions.
 
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