Neutron Star Density

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moonbogg

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Of course, but does saying "
5.918×10^30 to 9.206×10^30 lbs" really help envision what we're talking about? The differences between 10^10 and 10^30 or a billion billion and a billion billion billion is completely lost on most people. If we're going to convert to something a layman can understand, we could at least try "500,000 to 700,000 times the mass of the Earth" before trying to shoehorn familiar units into completely unintelligible numbers.



"27,000 km/s" I am now Even "16,700 miles per second" would be easier to grasp, I think. Even better would be saying "something moving that fast around Earth would go around it four times in under a second."

Your numbers are wrong. Its about 1 million miles per second. That's nearly as fast as your ability to come up with a stupid idea and complain about it.
 

Ruptga

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Your numbers are wrong. Its about 1 million miles per second. That's nearly as fast as your ability to come up with a stupid idea and complain about it.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=mass+of+a+neutron+star
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=97+million+km%2Fh

You did get me on this one though, I misread the heading.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17000+miles
less than four seconds to go from one side of the Earth through the middle to the other side and back. About two seconds to go around the Earth at the equator.
 
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moonbogg

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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=mass+of+a+neutron+star
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=97+million+km/h

You did get me on this one though, I misread the heading.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17000+miles
less than four seconds to go from one side of the Earth through the middle to the other side and back. About two seconds to go around the Earth at the equator.

I meant miles per minute. You confused me. about 1 million miles per minute surface speed. Also, what the hell are you doing?
 

SlowSpyder

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You guys are kinda charged up. I'm staying neutral.

Ok, I should probably go home and watch the Packer game now.
 

UglyCasanova

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This thread had my mind going today. If you dropped the teaspoon a meter, or more realistically space debris hit the star - what would the impact be like?

I wouldn't think there would be a crater, but would the material instantly flatten out?

Would it be instantly spread across the entirety of the surface to keep a spherical form?

Would there be even an instant where material is ejected only to fall back to the surface with tremendous force, or does the weight and gravity of the material and "star" keep it from ever leaving the surface?
 

Ruptga

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In my professional out-of-my-ass opinion, I'd expect anything hitting the star to vaporize into a flash of gamma radiation and plasma pretty much instantly.

Related: Starquakes,where the surface moves by a micrometer or less, and mass extinctions happen within a ten light-year radius.
 

Jeff7

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In my professional out-of-my-ass opinion, I'd expect anything hitting the star to vaporize into a flash of gamma radiation and plasma pretty much instantly.

Related: Starquakes,where the surface moves by a micrometer or less, and mass extinctions happen within a ten light-year radius.
This is the sort of reason that colonizing other star systems should happen at some point in time: Redundancy.

Just within this solar system you've got hazards: Big CMEs that would seriously disrupt our technology-based lives, or mile-wide asteroids that drop by to visit at 70,000mph.
Then nature scatters enormous sterilizers throughout the galaxy. I hope life on your planet rolled +20 Resistance to Gamma Radiation!


Sure, it's not likely to happen, but when/if it does, the consequences could include extinction.
 
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moonbogg

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This thread had my mind going today. If you dropped the teaspoon a meter, or more realistically space debris hit the star - what would the impact be like?

I wouldn't think there would be a crater, but would the material instantly flatten out?

Would it be instantly spread across the entirety of the surface to keep a spherical form?

Would there be even an instant where material is ejected only to fall back to the surface with tremendous force, or does the weight and gravity of the material and "star" keep it from ever leaving the surface?

I wondered the same and simply can't envision what might happen. Its just to extreme to get a grasp on it without having the mathematical background to figure it out. The star is made of nothing but neutrons it seems, so i'd expect nothing but a simplified version of the object to survive and merge with the star almost instantly. I'd expect any explosion to be very brief and return to the star's surface in an instant flash, like a really quick spark.
 

MrPickins

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I wondered the same and simply can't envision what might happen. Its just to extreme to get a grasp on it without having the mathematical background to figure it out. The star is made of nothing but neutrons it seems, so i'd expect nothing but a simplified version of the object to survive and merge with the star almost instantly. I'd expect any explosion to be very brief and return to the star's surface in an instant flash, like a really quick spark.

My completely uneducated guess is a bright flash of gamma rays and possibly neutrinos, but not much else.
 

Ruptga

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This is the sort of reason that colonizing other star systems should happen at some point in time: Redundancy.

Just within this solar system you've got hazards: Big CMEs that would seriously disrupt our technology-based lives, or mile-wide asteroids that drop by to visit at 70,000mph.
Then nature scatters enormous sterilizers throughout the galaxy. I hope life on your planet rolled +20 Resistance to Gamma Radiation!


Sure, it's not likely to happen, but when/if it does, the consequences could include extinction.

I'm sure we'll get around to that for those reasons, and more. But first we need to sort out the really important stuff, like how many rights gays deserve, or how tides and magnets work. Priorities, man.
 

dighn

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Related: Starquakes,where the surface moves by a micrometer or less, and mass extinctions happen within a ten light-year radius.

oooh neat. i like how many things in the cosmos can kill you as some kind of totally inconsequential side-effect.
 
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Argo

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Yeah for sure. But that's what you need to make the earth collapse. Condense it to the size of a small marble (3cm...the whole earth into a 3cm ball) and boom, you got a black hole.


Not necessarily. Black whole density goes down with mass, the black hole at the center of our galaxy is less dense than water.
 

OverVolt

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There are about 5 grams of water in a teaspoon and a neutron star is ~100 quadrillions times as dense as water, on average, according to Wikipedia.

I'm cheating, this site calculates the force of impact of 5,000,000,000,000,000 grams dropped one meter on Earth as 490000000000000000N of force, which calculates to 49,966,094,436,000 metric tons of force.

Does that sound right? Nature is pretty amazing.

Yea nature is pretty amazing but you'd be the one doing 49,966,094,436,000 metric tons of work to lift it up.
 

moonbogg

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Not necessarily. Black whole density goes down with mass, the black hole at the center of our galaxy is less dense than water.

I'm an expert youtube watcher. Don't question my space logic.
 

Fritzo

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He's actually correct. The volume of a sphere is proportional to the cube of its radius, and the the density of a black hole is inversely proportional to the square of the mass.

Therefore gigantic black holes have lower average density. It's the smaller ones that get ya
 

Argo

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Black hole's radius is directly proportional to its mass (google Schwartzchild radius), while it's density is directly proportional to mass, and inversely proportional to radius cubed.

The rest is math.
 

DigDog

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yeah but no

because we consider the average density of the entire "hole". but the solid object comprised of compressed mass so dense it makes a hole in space .. is actually quite dense.

how dense?

HOW DENSE?
 

Ruptga

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The density inside supermassive black holes' event horizons is low for the reasons above. The black hole itself is a singularity with infinite mass.
 

Argo

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The density inside supermassive black holes' event horizons is low for the reasons above. The black hole itself is a singularity with infinite mass.
Yes. Based on general relativity alone... The belief (hope?) is that proper quantum treatment will remove singularity, once we have unified theory of quantum gravity.
 

moonbogg

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I think that a black hole tears a hole in space time, and once the hole is open, then a new cosmic inflation takes over and a new space is formed, like a new pea pod and it just inflates and new particles enter and a new universe happens. See proof below.
 

Ruptga

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I think black holes create tiny teapots and spit them out into orbit of nearby stars.
 
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