Nevada middle school shooting...

[cyclohexane]

The 2nd amendment is bullshit and outdated.

 

[Texashiker]

The 2nd amendment is bullshit and outdated.

So is the 1st. The government can tell us everything we need to know.

 

[Agent11]

The teacher was an ex military man and a hero for trying to stop the situation. I wonder how he would feel about people using his death to call for the stripping of one of our most fundamental rights.

Try to have some shame.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

More libhadist comedy

Never let a crisis go to waste

 

[Genx87]

So is the 1st. The government can tell us everything we need to know.

Same with the 4th. If you have nothing to hide then why worry if the govt comes into your house?

 

[Texashiker]

Hopefully the teachers death will not be used to call for more gun control.

Same with the 4th. If you have nothing to hide then why worry if the govt comes into your house?

Pretty much yea.

If people had nothing to hide, why should the government need a warrant?

 

[v-600]

The teacher was an ex military man and a hero for trying to stop the situation. I wonder how he would feel about people using his death to call for the stripping of one of our most fundamental rights.

Try to have some shame.

I don't know him, however I will try and answer your question. I would feel ashamed for my countrymen if I had died and people had the opportunity to change something but didn't actually do it.

 

[Agent11]

Something should be done, I would suggest public service messages warning parents to keep firearms out of reach of their children. Also school staff should be trained to spot emotionally compromised children so that they can be given counseling before they snap.

 

[Texashiker]

Something should be done, I would suggest public service messages warning parents to keep firearms out of reach of their children. Also school staff should be trained to spot emotionally compromised children so that they can be given counseling before they snap.

How about schools and parents stop the bulling?

Guns are not the problem.

Bulling is the root cause of the majority of these school shootings.

 

[bshole]

How about schools and parents stop the bulling?

Guns are not the problem.

Bulling is the root cause of the majority of these school shootings.

What is "bulling"? I'm not up on the new lingo I guess.

 

[Agent11]

Of course bullying should be stopped. Schools in general are zoos. There needs to be more staff per child. Also parents should teach their children to respect firearms and human life. You can't legislate that however.

 

[JulesMaximus]

aren't you a gun owner?

Yes, and it pisses me off when I read about these tragic events. What kind of idiot leaves his guns laying around where kids can get them? I have an 11 year old son (he just started middle school) and I don't leave my guns lying around where he can access them. I've taken him shooting and taught him that guns are not a toy and need to be handled with respect but I still wouldn't allow him unsupervised access to them.

I'm not calling for more gun control but you have to kind of expect it when gun owners themselves take such disinterest in securing weapons that they own. It sure as hell doesn't come as any surprise to me that's for sure.

 

[JulesMaximus]

When I was a teenager I pulled a lot of crap my parents would have never thought me capable of.....like unlocking things that they felt were secured. I can remember one time when my mom was taking a nap. I got her key ring and rode my bike to the hardware store, where I had a couple keys duplicated. When I returned home, she was still taking a nap. I knew my dad kept a locked filing cabinet with what I suspected was 8mm reels of porn. Not a problem. I got that key and also keys to their cars. The first time they were out of town, after the sitter went to sleep, I took a nice little joy ride. I also unlocked that file cabinet and watched some of dad's flicks. They had no idea, no clue whatsoever. Kids out think their parents sometimes.

That said, all the information is not in here, so we'll see what really happened.

When I was a teenager we "borrowed" my grandparents speedboat at 1AM and took it for a joyride around the lake they lived on in Michigan. Alcohol was involved too...

Kids do stupid shit without thinking about the possible consequences. They should not be allowed unsupervised access to firearms.

 

[TerryMathews]

I am pro 2nd amendment, but I think in situations like this they should bear some responsibility legal wise.

IF it can be proven that a handgun or rifle was left unsecured while minors are in the same dwelling and one of them decides to off the teacher, a prosecutor should have some course to go after them.

Perhaps Involuntary Manslaughter? I dunno other than I think a gun owner should bear legal responsibility when they leave a firearm unsecured and in the presence of a minor.

I have no problem with this, but it will never happen.

Could you imagine the bellyaching we would get if we held parents liable for the delinquency of their children? The thefts? The assaults? Gang violence?

I'm assuming you aren't wanting to single out gun owners as being more liable than other parents... :sly:

 

[TerryMathews]

Let's see if the NRA calls for owner of gun to be prosecuted for murder.

Shouldn't he be?

I think parents should be responsible for the actions of their children in the same manner that dog owners are responsible for their dogs.

Would you support that?

 

[Kadarin]

How was this possible in the first place? Aren't schools "Gun-Free Zones"? There should have been no way for the kid to take a gun there, since they aren't allowed.

 

[shadow9d9]

Notice how everyone who doesn't tote the NRA party line is automatically labelled a "liberal" by the mouth breathers in here? Pathetic.

 

[TerryMathews]

Notice how everyone who doesn't tote the NRA party line is automatically labelled a "liberal" by the mouth breathers in here? Pathetic.

Well, that (enhanced gun control) is one of their stated agenda objectives.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... I also can't recall a time when you called out anyone for labelling certain people as conservatives or conservatards. I wonder why that is...

 

[TheVrolok]

I have no problem with this, but it will never happen.

Could you imagine the bellyaching we would get if we held parents liable for the delinquency of their children? The thefts? The assaults? Gang violence?

I'm assuming you aren't wanting to single out gun owners as being more liable than other parents... :sly:

There are already statutes in existence that DO make parents responsible for actions of their children, and some are specific to guns. Varies by state, and I'm certainly not familiar with many specifics aside from knowing that these laws do exist. Just Google "vicarious liability."

 

[JulesMaximus]

Well, that (enhanced gun control) is one of their stated agenda objectives.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... I also can't recall a time when you called out anyone for labelling certain people as conservatives or conservatards. I wonder why that is...

Except I didn't state that I favor more gun legislation yet I am labeled a liberal anyway. I simply said that gun owners are their own worst enemy when it comes to these shooting situations and that it comes as no surprise that talk of more strict gun legislation comes as a direct result of these incidents.

Quack quack...

 

[TerryMathews]

Except I didn't state that I favor more gun legislation yet I am labeled a liberal anyway. I simply said that gun owners are their own worst enemy when it comes to these shooting situations and that it comes as no surprise that talk of more strict gun legislation comes as a direct result of these incidents.

Quack quack...

Hey don't shoot the messenger I didn't label you.

 

[moonbogg]

Schools aren't the problem. People who actually matter have the money to put their kids in a private school, a place where the kids are actually given some attention. Public schools are zoos for the poor kids to go to. Safety cannot be guaranteed. Teachers are paid low wages and the kids fend for themselves, and most of them are doomed to remain poor and watch their own kids go to poor public zoos one day as well.
These are the risks that regular poor people just have to accept. No one actually cares about teachers in the public school system. Their salaries tell the story and the body bags provide the evidence.

 

[shadow9d9]

Well, that (enhanced gun control) is one of their stated agenda objectives.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... I also can't recall a time when you called out anyone for labelling certain people as conservatives or conservatards. I wonder why that is...

It is because you are delusional. In this forum, people jump to label someone "liberal" about 10x more than the opposite. Additionally, there is no liberal party in the US, since the democrats are middle/right. At least conservatives EXIST in the US, considering both parties are further ot the right of even the conservative parties of other first world countries...

 

[shadow9d9]

Hey don't shoot the messenger I didn't label you.

You are only an apologist for them...

 

[diesbudt]

The 2nd amendment is bullshit and outdated.

I agree, we should have the right to all weapons now. Not just guns.

Please government, update this with my right to bare a tank. And while we are on the subject, please fund me a tank, and the cheap healthcare that will cover the people I accidently hit with my brand new tanks.

Thanks a million Obama!