Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

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berzerker60

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Liens and such are definitely a better way of punishing the guy as the law dictates they must. But they won't stop the ongoing issue of the cattle illegally being on the land.

If I start parking in your parking lot and don't pay, you can definitely sue me for the parking fees I owe, and get them garnished from my wages. But that doesn't mean I can just keep parking my car there as long as I want - your parking lot means you get to decide that my car needs to go. Maybe you have good reasons (repainting the lines soon), maybe not, but it's not my decision, it's yours. If I show up with a bunch of my buddies with shotguns to stop the tow truck from getting my car out of your lot, that's not me somehow being a 2nd Amendment Hero.
 

OCGuy

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They way you fetishize this and seem to dream about that slaughter is really gross.

Aren't you supposed to be debating the effect of the recent drought on wild Western crab-grass, and if cattle should be grazing?

Hurry up with that research paper, all this civil rights nonsense is just a side-show.
 

fskimospy

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Aren't you supposed to be debating the effect of the recent drought on wild Western crab-grass, and if cattle should be grazing?

Hurry up with that research paper, all this civil rights nonsense is just a side-show.

What right to steal?
 

werepossum

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Judge Napolitano
“The government’s option is to take the amount of money he owes them and docket it, that is file the lien on his property….the federal government could have done that, instead they wanted this show of force,”
That is definitely what should have been done, and what should be done now. Less the cost of the cattle killed, of course, and plus the cost of litigating the issue.

Whaaaat? But then there is no mass slaughter of Americans. What are you trying to do here?
Since there was no loss of life*, pretty sure neither side wanted that.

*Except cattle life, obviously. But this is the federal government; killing 13% of a herd could well be just good old-fashioned incompetence.
 

berzerker60

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That is definitely what should have been done, and what should be done now. Less the cost of the cattle killed, of course, and plus the cost of litigating the issue.


Since there was no loss of life*, pretty sure neither side wanted that.

*Except cattle life, obviously. But this is the federal government; killing 13% of a herd could well be just good old-fashioned incompetence.
Or, just tell him any cattle found on the land after X date are going to be labelled an endangered species and can't be touched by anyone thereafter.
 

werepossum

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Or, just tell him any cattle found on the land after X date are going to be labelled an endangered species and can't be touched by anyone thereafter.
Or they're free range cattle, free for whomever can gun them down and drag them off.
 

brycejones

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Maybe so however how many people knew the Feds owned 76% of Nevada before this broke? Its just not how things work especially on the East coast.

I don't think its uncommon knowledge that the federal government owns a large percentage of the land in the west. If people don't know its from not knowing much about their own country not because of any secret plot.
 

Thebobo

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I have a feeling that the feds greatly underestimated the capacity of these people to show up fully armed on horseback in full defensive formation.


HAHAHA you have got to be kidding. You must watch Red Dawn a lot...
 
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IronWing

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Nobody cares about what bundy did.

I'm trying to understand exactly what your position is. My interpretation of your posts on this thread is that you see the mass turnout of armed "patriots" as a good thing in of itself, regardless of the cause or lack of cause. Do you see adding the threat of violence to policy and politics as a good thing?
 

emperus

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Judge Napolitano
“The government’s option is to take the amount of money he owes them and docket it, that is file the lien on his property….the federal government could have done that, instead they wanted this show of force,”

So, they get the lien on the property, then what? How do they collect? A lien would be a court order which has to be enforced. Who enforces it? This situation happened just because they were trying to take his cows, imagine how many yahoos would show up if the guberment(government) used this issue to seize his farm and land.

The lien doesn't stop the issue of the enforcement. And taken his land would be more draconian than taking his cattle. But, again, why should the government bend? He lost in court. Twice.

When you get evicted, doesn't a sheriff show up to throw u out? Do you have aright to fight them?
 
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What this case appears to be, is a well-armed flash mob assembled to essentially back down the federal government from enforcing the law. I respect the government's decision to de-escalate this situation, but the government did not create this confrontation - an idiot militia man did.
 

OCGuy

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I'm trying to understand exactly what your position is. My interpretation of your posts on this thread is that you see the mass turnout of armed "patriots" as a good thing in of itself, regardless of the cause or lack of cause. Do you see adding the threat of violence to policy and politics as a good thing?

Exactly. The threat of force by the federalis was completely out of line and dangerous. Thankfully they were countered and the civilians didnt end up like Kent State protesters.

"40 dead in the Nevada desert" doesnt sound as fluid as "4 dead in O-hi-o anyway.
 

OCGuy

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So, they get the lien on the property, then what? How do they collect? A lien would be a court order which has to be enforced. Who enforces it? This situation happened just because they were trying to take his cows, imagine how many yahoos would show up if the guberment(government) used this issue to seize his farm and land.

The lien doesn't stop the issue of the enforcement. And taken his land would be more draconian than taking his cattle. But, again, why should the government bend? He lost in court. Twice.

When you get evicted, doesn't a sheriff show up to throw u out? Do you have aright to fight them?

You should learm what terms like lein mean before discussing them. Yikes.
 

fskimospy

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You should learm what terms like lein mean before discussing them. Yikes.

No offense, but you should probably learn how to spell 'lien' before telling someone they should learn about them.

EDIT: And overall, he describes the problem with a lien perfectly well. If the government is going to put a lien on his farm then in order to compel payment he would probably just ignore it. Then they have the choice of selling the property (which would require taking possession of it from him) or waiting for him or a member of his family to try and sell it, which could be a very long time, all the while he continues to rack up more violations.
 
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emperus

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You should learm what terms like lein mean before discussing them. Yikes.

Ask urself what the enforcement mechanism on a lien is. Maybe you could google it. Or maybe you should take your own advice and learn what a term is before discussing it.
 
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JManInPhoenix

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What this case appears to be, is a well-armed flash mob assembled to essentially back down the federal government from enforcing the law. I respect the government's decision to de-escalate this situation, but the government did not create this confrontation - an idiot militia man did.

+1
 

OCGuy

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Ask urself what the enforcement mechanism on a lien is. Maybe you could google it.

Liens are handled by Title companies and the recorders office. You'll figure it all out at some point. You have been groomed to believe government cant be wrong. That will change.
 

werepossum

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What this case appears to be, is a well-armed flash mob assembled to essentially back down the federal government from enforcing the law. I respect the government's decision to de-escalate this situation, but the government did not create this confrontation - an idiot militia man did.
Yet he does have some legitimate complaints, no matter how poorly he has handled them. Government is not necessarily in the right simply because it is government, and very few issues are black and white, right and wrong.
 

spidey07

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What this case appears to be, is a well-armed flash mob assembled to essentially back down the federal government from enforcing the law. I respect the government's decision to de-escalate this situation, but the government did not create this confrontation - an idiot militia man did.

Unjust laws are NOT to be followed and civil disobedience, preferably armed, should be deployed.

Shall not comply. Remember we fought a war over this very shit.

But do keep obeying your beloved federal government for they can do no wrong. Useful idiot.
 

IronWing

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Shall not comply. Remember we fought a war over this very shit.
You're right, we did fight a war over this very shit. But that time around the patriots were on the side opposing hereditary privilege. This time the "patriots" are lining up to maintain it, against their own self interest. I guess one need not be too bright to be a "patriot".

You still haven't articulated which law is unjust in this case.
 

Vic

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Unjust laws are NOT to be followed and civil disobedience, preferably armed, should be deployed.

Shall not comply. Remember we fought a war over this very shit.

But do keep obeying your beloved federal government for they can do no wrong. Useful idiot.

Which unjust law? The one where you have to pay to use public property?
 
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