Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

[Don Vito Corleone]

Yet he does have some legitimate complaints, no matter how poorly he has handled them. Government is not necessarily in the right simply because it is government, and very few issues are black and white, right and wrong.

He has complaints, but I am unconvinced that they are legitimate. Bundy has been illegally using federal land to graze his cattle, without paying, for decades. As far as I'm concerned it is entirely appropriate for the government to seize or kill his cattle to the extent he refuses to comply with the law, and anyone who took up arms against BLM employees on Bundy's behalf should be criminally prosecuted. Whether or not he agrees with the legitimacy of the federal government and its actions, the courts have long since decided this matter against him.

 

[ElFenix]

Liens are handled by Title companies and the recorders office. You'll figure it all out at some point. You have been groomed to believe government cant be wrong. That will change.

the title companies and the recorder's office? what do you think they do?

let's say i buy the land at the auction when his lien is foreclosed. i then go out there and tell him it's mine. what do you think he does?

the guy didn't respond to paper.

 

[OCGuy]

the title companies and the recorder's office? what do you think they do?

let's say i buy the land at the auction when his lien is foreclosed. i then go out there and tell him it's mine. what do you think he does?

the guy didn't respond to paper.

You mean if he wants to squat? The county sheriff will pull up in a squad car with his side-arm holstered, and ask that he be allowed to escort him off the property.

I keep forgetting that this isn't exactly the most well-informed board when it comes to matters like this, so I don't blame you for having no idea what this is even all about. But the Sherriff is respected in the eyes of his constituents. They elect him.

(calm down, the flare is in jest )

 

[MrPickins]

You mean if he wants to squat? The county sheriff will pull up in a squad car with his side-arm holstered, and ask that he be allowed to escort him off the property.

I keep forgetting that this isn't exactly the most well-informed board when it comes to matters like this, so I don't blame you for having no idea what this is even all about. But the Sherriff is respected in the eyes of his constituents. They elect him.

(calm down, the flare is in jest )

I see...

Local official enforcing the law = fine, just fine.

A federal official enforcing the law = we're living in a police state?

 

[emperus]

You mean if he wants to squat? The county sheriff will pull up in a squad car with his side-arm holstered, and ask that he be allowed to escort him off the property.

I keep forgetting that this isn't exactly the most well-informed board when it comes to matters like this, so I don't blame you for having no idea what this is even all about. But the Sherriff is respected in the eyes of his constituents. They elect him.

(calm down, the flare is in jest )

Down the rabbit hole we go...

So, if the Sheriff asks Bundy nicely to leave his land that the lienholder (Fed) just took possession of because he didn't meet the terms of the lien, he will just leave nicely..

Wow.

 

[OCGuy]

Well at least you confirmed that you are "low information posters". You fell for the CNN spin that it is about rebelling against whoever possible, didn't you?

Sheesh...

 

[emperus]

Liens are handled by Title companies and the recorders office. You'll figure it all out at some point. You have been groomed to believe government cant be wrong. That will change.

What? lol...

Edit: You should probably stop posting. Ur ignorance is damaging whatever side you think ur on.

 

[Fern]

I see...

Local official enforcing the law = fine, just fine.

A federal official enforcing the law = we're living in a police state?

I think so, yes.

I don't approve of every govt agency having its own military force to use against people. IMO, it's a subversion of posse comitatus.

I also think when the police show up they ought to look, and act, more like Andy Griffith than some commando death squad.

Fern

 

[emperus]

I think so, yes.

I don't approve of every govt agency having its own military force to use against people. IMO, it's a subversion of posse comitatus.

I also think when the police show up they ought to look, and act, more like Andy Griffith than some commando death squad.

Fern

Simple question. You think if the Feds would have showed up and acted more like Andy Griffith, Bundy would have given them his cows?

 

[spidey07]

Simple question. You think if the Feds would have showed up and acted more like Andy Griffith, Bundy would have given them his cows?

Shall not comply. It has to start somewhere.

 

[OCGuy]

Simple question. You think if the Feds would have showed up and acted more like Andy Griffith, Bundy would have given them his cows?

You are on a different planet, child.

 

[IronWing]

Shall not comply. It has to start somewhere.

You still haven't explained the nature of the perceived injustice requiring an armed response by "patriots".

 

[Fern]

You still haven't explained the nature of the perceived injustice requiring an armed response by "patriots".

Forcing 50-something cattle ranching families out-of-business?

Fern

 

[Conroe]

I had the misfortune of having to drive I-15 south Saturday. It was clear that the BLM could not get the cattle out of there. I seen cowboys from near and far. I'm sure they were there not because Bundy asked but because they fear being next. They won.

 

[IronWing]

Forcing 50-something cattle ranching families out-of-business?

Fern

You've offered no evidence that anyone was forced out of business.

 

[Fern]

You've offered no evidence that anyone was forced out of business.

Seriously?

It's been on TV. The last one who was told to stop just had several hundred guys armed to the teeth show up and try to grab his cattle and get him off the land.

Fern

 

[spidey07]

You still haven't explained the nature of the perceived injustice requiring an armed response by "patriots".

I don't have to. Learn from history.

 

[Vic]

You've offered no evidence that anyone was forced out of business.

I'd be interested to know this too. Beef prices are at record highs. Grass fed organic Is especially valuable.
Maybe the problem is that the desert outside Las Vegas isn't particularly good grazing land in the first place?

 

[IronWing]

Seriously?

It's been on TV. The last one who was told to stop just had several hundred guys armed to the teeth show up and try to grab his cattle and get him off the land.

Fern

You have an interesting prospective on what it means to be "forced out of business". If I decide that I don't feel like paying my landlord and he evicts me from my place of business then the reason I'm out of business is not because I'm a deadbeat but because my landlord "forced me out of business"? Mr. Bundy is a big boy; he has to live with the consequences of his decisions.

 

[IronWing]

I don't have to. Learn from history.

So you just like violence for the sake of violence. Mao had the same fetish.

 

[OCGuy]

You still haven't explained the nature of the perceived injustice requiring an armed response by "patriots".

I don't think you understand. It isn't the citizens that need a reason to stand on public land and exercise their 1st and 2nd guaranteed rights, it is the government that needs to explain why they feel they can trample that free exercise. Do they not teach this stuff anymore?

The BoR isn't the government being nice and granting citizens rights that can be taken, the BoR/Constitution outline the powers and limits of the federal government. Certainly they taught you where the rights default if they weren't specifically laid out, right? Or is this sort of discussion "tea baggery, knuck-dragging, mouth-breathing, MURICA!" nonsense?

 

[Vic]

I don't have to. Learn from history.

Which history? This one? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

 

[Vic]

I don't think you understand. It isn't the citizens that need a reason to stand on public land and exercise their 1st and 2nd guaranteed rights, it is the government that needs to explain why they feel they can trample that free exercise. Do they not teach this stuff anymore?

The BoR isn't the government being nice and granting citizens rights that can be taken, the BoR/Constitution outline the powers and limits of the federal government. Certainly they taught you where the rights default if they were specifically laid out, right? Or is this sort of discussion "tea baggery, knuck-dragging, mouth-breathing, MURICA!" nonsense?

The 1st and 2nd amendments guarantee the free exercise of the public lands? Interesting...

 

[IronWing]

I don't think you understand. It isn't the citizens that need a reason to stand on public land and exercise their 1st and 2nd guaranteed rights, it is the government that needs to explain why they feel they can trample that free exercise. Do they not teach this stuff anymore?

The BoR isn't the government being nice and granting citizens rights that can be taken, the BoR/Constitution outline the powers and limits of the federal government. Certainly they taught you where the rights default if they were specifically laid out, right? Or is this sort of discussion "tea baggery, knuck-dragging, mouth-breathing, MURICA!" nonsense?

Some, not all, of these folks went well beyond exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights and were interfering with a lawful government activity.

 

[Fern]

You have an interesting prospective on what it means to be "forced out of business". If I decide that I don't feel like paying my landlord and he evicts me from my place of business then the reason I'm out of business is not because I'm a deadbeat but because my landlord "forced me out of business"? Mr. Bundy is a big boy; he has to live with the consequences of his decisions.

The BLM changed its mind and forbade cattle ranching on that land. That's why all the others quit.

Bundy stopped paying when the BLM moved to close off the land for turtles.

I.e., the ranchers were forced out.

The grazing fees haven't risen. It should seem obvious that EVERY cattle rancher (except one) didn't stop because of payment of grazing fees.

Fern