My Conservative response (*and not just me but Hannity) is that the fed fuckers were over stepping their bounds and now they are playing this horse shit with a ranch in Texas. ARE THEY NUTS!? You don't fuck with Texas.
And BTW, Hannity spoke out against his bigot comments. But no one here would know because you all watch MSNBC shit or the Communist News Network.
Fuck me! Just Google Hannity and you will see the lame stream media BS about Hannity. Did they not watch tonight's show???
Who cares? Well he smashes the ratings, that's who cares. LOL
lol Good point.We have a poster on this very forum who said that people would need training to pick garbage off the ground, so who knows...
He outright said a race was better off as slaves than as free people. Given that racism is the belief that a race is inherently superior or inferior, hard to see how his statement is not pure racism. If a race is better off kept as property, surely that race must be inherently inferior to the race that keeps them better than they can keep themselves, even with government assistance.Ugh - that is some "clarification." Bundy seems to be saying, "the NYT should retract its story, but I am going to 'clarify' my comments by saying the same thing a second time."
The funny thing is that I don't know that I'd call his comments racist, precisely. I'd call them ignorant, insensitive, and easily taken as racist, but there may be a legitimate point buried in there that he is not smart enough to articulate in anything other than an offensive manner.
+1"All I can say is that watching The Daily Show is mandatory tonight. It will be epic to see what Jon Stewart does with this."
What he usually does - make faces and eyebrows while audience laughs likes its amazing.
My Conservative response (*and not just me but Hannity) is that the fed fuckers were over stepping their bounds and now they are playing this horse shit with a ranch in Texas. ARE THEY NUTS!? You don't fuck with Texas.
And BTW, Hannity spoke out against his bigot comments. But no one here would know because you all watch MSNBC shit or the Communist News Network.
Fuck me! Just Google Hannity and you will see the lame stream media BS about Hannity. Did they not watch tonight's show???
Shocking. An elderly, rural, conservative, white male who associates with far-right secessionist militia groups is a racist.
This country badly needs a Department of Assimilation to help people like this man to become Americans. Way too many people like Bundy have seceded from mainstream America. It's getting really bad when recent Somalian refugees are basically more assimilated into American society than a 67-year-old who was born here.
He outright said a race was better off as slaves than as free people. Given that racism is the belief that a race is inherently superior or inferior, hard to see how his statement is not pure racism. If a race is better off kept as property, surely that race must be inherently inferior to the race that keeps them better than they can keep themselves, even with government assistance.
Good to see you posting again, dude.Righties just can't help it. Just another entitled yahoo who thinks he is above everyone else and gets on a huge victim trip when called out for their projection.
Utterly unsurprising.
I disagree. I don't think it has anything to do with "roots in the oppression of slavery, in segregation and in racism", except to the degree that going into the welfare state age blacks were poorer because of those things and thus got a head start into the welfare life. The same things that are destroying black families are destroying white and brown families as well, and I see no reason whites and browns won't catch up to blacks. Welfare as a lifestyle is simply corrosive. In hindsight, we'd have been much better off supporting families. Allowing Uncle Sugar to play the part of Daddy - indeed, with many young women that's the only path they can see to a home of their own - is enormously destructive. I'll give politicians of the day the benefit of the doubt and assume this was an unintended side effect and not an intentional creation of a permanent underclass, but it's a pretty horrendous side effect.I think a discussion can be had on what the "malaise" in the African American community is, the cause of it and how it is to be properly addressed. But I think it is very complex issue, that has roots in the oppression of slavery, in segregation and in racism. Things that some people seldom want to admit.
What's interesting is that Bundy's wealth came from inherited wealth. Wealth his ancestors left him, on the basis of just living in this country as free people. Yes, he did work hard, but he had that capital to mold. That stream of wealth isn't there for African Americans.
But, I don't believe your point is the point Bundy is trying to make. I just wonder, what does Bundy think is so different in African Americans that they don't value freedom the same way he does. People who believe that African American were better off as salves have to see African Americans as inferior to Caucasians, people who don't value their lives their liberties and their own pursuit of happiness. How else could you make that argument?
Yep. DVC expressed much that same sentiment:I think he was trying to make a point that the black family had more structure and stability way back when?
He is of course wrong.
Even if there were a sliver of truth to his words, free will and instability would always be preferable to subjugation and stability.
This is what happens when dumb people gain a platform.
Also, Koch.
Unfortunately, the great preponderance of forces are conspiring to devalue labor, so especially with our enshrined perma-recession it's hard to see how we break that cycle without making things even worse. And as you say, free will and instability are always morally preferable to subjugation and stability.To the extent Bundy is saying that he believes the availability of long-term public assistance has had a corrosive effect on the recipients, and on black people in particular, I totally agree with him. In my view the federal government and the states have engaged in a lot of malign neglect (e.g., redlining) and benign neglect (the availability of long-term welfare and similar benefits) that have had a devastating effect on black families, and in many places, such as Minnesota, where I live, turned black people into a permanent underclass. I am of the opinion that making benefits like these available indefinitely is humiliating and harmful to the people who receive them. I think this has greatly hobbled the progress we have made in terms of equal rights since the Civil Rights Act was passed 50 years ago.
Fuck! there are too many douche bag liberals in here.
Why is it that grazing fees went from some 300 thousand to a round, ripe old number of 1 million? It cost's that much? Cows eat that much?
Fuck! there are too many douche bag liberals in here.
Why is it that grazing fees went from some 300 thousand to a round, ripe old number of 1 million? It cost's that much? Cows eat that much?
Oh! John Stewart is an asshole and anyone who thinks he's a news source is ignorant as fuck!
And the average IQ is about 90.The ratings of a media where the average viewer age is 68.
I think he was trying to make a point that the black family had more structure and stability way back when?
He is of course wrong.
Even if there were a sliver of truth to his words, free will and instability would always be preferable to subjugation and stability.
This is what happens when dumb people gain a platform.
Also, Koch.
I disagree. I don't think it has anything to do with "roots in the oppression of slavery, in segregation and in racism", except to the degree that going into the welfare state age blacks were poorer because of those things and thus got a head start into the welfare life. The same things that are destroying black families are destroying white and brown families as well, and I see no reason whites and browns won't catch up to blacks. Welfare as a lifestyle is simply corrosive. In hindsight, we'd have been much better off supporting families. Allowing Uncle Sugar to play the part of Daddy - indeed, with many young women that's the only path they can see to a home of their own - is enormously destructive. I'll give politicians of the day the benefit of the doubt and assume this was an unintended side effect and not an intentional creation of a permanent underclass, but it's a pretty horrendous side effect.
Why do people keep coming to his defense, trying to couch his words in the best possible light. He is just wrong. Slaves were property, children were taken away and sold, they were beating at will and the women raped at will. Tell me how that was good "family" life? Warepossem is right. There is an inherent belief in African American inferiority in his statements. That in fact is racism. And for racists to exist there need to be people ready at will to enable them.
But for Fox News to have fallen for this stunt is the true outrage.
Fuck! there are too many douche bag liberals in here.
Why is it that grazing fees went from some 300 thousand to a round, ripe old number of 1 million? It cost's that much? Cows eat that much?
Oh! John Stewart is an asshole and anyone who thinks he's a news source is ignorant as fuck!
Then there are the guns. Scores of grim citizen militiamen in combat fatigues — semiautomatic weapons slung over their shoulders, ammunition magazines at their belts — patrol from a base they call Camp Tripwire.
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Bundy's private war, a decades-long court battle with the Bureau of Land Management over his cattle grazing on public land, recently took a decidedly populist turn: When armed federal agents moved to oversee the roundup of hundreds of Bundy's cattle across half a million acres managed by the BLM, some Americans sat up wide-eyed before their televisions and computer screens.
The government says that Bundy owes $1 million in fees for letting his cattle graze in the Gold Butte area. Still, the get-tough tactic became a clarion call for those who see the federal government as arrogant and bloated. Suddenly, truck drivers, pizza deliverymen and ex-cops from as far away as New Hampshire and Georgia converged upon this unincorporated ranching town.
The self-described "citizen soldiers" arrived venting a smoldering anger and wielding AR-15 and AK-47 rifles. Days later, the government called off the roundup and released 350 of Bundy's cattle back onto public land.
These guys are terrorists. The extreme right wing is a violent cancer that must be excised. They are subverting the rule of law. They have no place in a decent society.