Well said, I think at the end of the day you had an old rancher that lost a 20+ year battle, wanting to make it about tyranny, tyranny would have been running his ass off the land 20+ years ago without his day in court.
Is this black family receiving (i.e. not paying) thousands of dollars over decades in an analogous situation? In this case, the BLM holds these lands in trust, with their original and continuing purpose being to ensure grazing by preventing overgrazing. The sole question to Bundy's legitimacy is whether the BLM acted in good faith when it first drastically reduced, then ended his grazing rights.
At the moment, regardless of my deep suspicion of the BLM I must conclude that the BLM did act in good faith simply since I've seen no evidence to the contrary. But that does not reduce the question to the level of anyone taking government resources.
I too support our citizen's rights to stand up against inappropriate government force or tyrannical government, or a host of other ills. But that carries with it the responsibility to judge when such armed resistance is justified, and there the bar must be very, very high. To date I've seen no such evidence at all, let alone enough to be convincing. I've not even seen any attempt to provide such evidence. That government has attempted to wipe out his means of living is not in and of itself evidence of tyrannical government simply because maintaining his means of living, while being the BLM's original reason for establishment, is not now the BLM's only reason for existence. For that matter, we can't even be absolutely sure that the BLM's original reason for establishment, preserving the open range, isn't the true reason behind the BLM restricting, then closing his grazing land; the twenty year gap between closing and acting argues for this, but not I think definitively. Similarly, if the BLM's reason for closing his grazing range is legitimate, then the force used to remove his cattle is legitimate.
As suspicious as I am of the BLM, as part of the federal government it must have the presumption of legitimacy. Even the BATFE must have the presumption of legitimacy. As such and considering that we've seen nothing presented to the contrary, I must agree with DVC that Bundy et al have the status of domestic terrorists and should be treated appropriately.
Yup. And everyone responding to help him needs to understand that by doing so, they weaken their own cases should they have them to make.Well said, I think at the end of the day you had an old rancher that lost a 20+ year battle, wanting to make it about tyranny, tyranny would have been running his ass off the land 20+ years ago without his day in court.
Yet these all powerful people choose to do nothing to shut down those who tell the "truth".
JFK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boOAfFOK7Ns)
Martin Luther King
Louis T. McFadden (exposing federal reserve)
DC Madam
Barry Jennings (major 9/11 insider witness)
SEAL Team Six
Bill Cooper
Michael Jackson
Michael Hastings
Let's add Hugo Chavez to the list, shall we.
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/chavez-fought-new-world-order/
Hugo Chavez was a dictator and a thug. Interesting that you see him as some kind of hero.
So if Hugo Chavez was such a hero do you advocate the seizing of private enterprises by the state?
Let's add Hugo Chavez to the list, shall we.
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/chavez-fought-new-world-order/
As someone who leans very far left and that most on the right here would likely call a socialist or a communist, I completely agree with this statement. Chavez wasn't good for anyone, not his country and not the international community. And while he may have "officially" been an elected leader, he was basically a dictator.Hugo Chavez was a dictator and a thug. Interesting that you see him as some kind of hero.
So if Hugo Chavez was such a hero do you advocate the seizing of private enterprises by the state?
Still waiting to hear: what events during the last say, 70 years were NOT the result of a government conspiracy?
Don't you get sick of being duped and used by people like Alex Jones? I mean the guy has you buying his anti-fluoride pills for christ's sake. How much money do you think you've spent on things from him?
They can't be doing that, because we never went to the moon.They're hiding the Transformers on the dark side of the moon!!!
I would consider that an appropriate reaction.
Arrest bundy, take him to trial. If his son takes his place then do the same.
This is a land-use contract dispute. It should be resolved in a courtroom.
What you don't do is show up with armed agents threatening patriots with guns, or this is what will happen.
Like I keep saying, you modern progressives just think about the fact that this is the reaction from some old farmer putting cows on public land. Think about the response if it were something more serious..
As someone who leans very far left and that most on the right here would likely call a socialist or a communist, I completely agree with this statement. Chavez wasn't good for anyone, not his country and not the international community. And while he may have "officially" been an elected leader, he was basically a dictator.
Well said. Chavez is evidence that at the extremes, there is little difference between right and left.As someone who leans very far left and that most on the right here would likely call a socialist or a communist, I completely agree with this statement. Chavez wasn't good for anyone, not his country and not the international community. And while he may have "officially" been an elected leader, he was basically a dictator.
To some he is a hero because he thumbs his nose at the US.
No other qualifications are needed and nothing negative about him or what he has done for his country matters.
Well said. Chavez is evidence that at the extremes, there is little difference between right and left.
Yep. At that point it's beyond ideology.Because when you get to those extremes all you really have is people in power doing whatever they can to remain in power.
To some he is a hero because he thumbs his nose at the US.
I guess under that qualification that makes bin laden a hero.
Yeah, that's how fucked up and stupid you sound
And to others he is a hero because he said blacks were better off as slaves picking cotton....... isn't that right Spatially? Free government handouts are only for WHITE Tea Party business owners.... not for the <insert derogatary term> races!
I guess under that qualification that makes bin laden a hero.
Yeah, that's how fucked up and stupid you sound
I can't remember the last time law enforcement showed up to arrest someone unarmed.
I saw an unarmed man get the cops called on him yesterday while at Publix. Police are called to arrest unarmed suspects all the time.
sounds like they set up checkpoints? Does anyone know if the militia have them only on Bundy's ranch owned land/roads or are they doing it in public areas?
I am a little surprised some people still stuck around, seeing that the government didn't fulfill their wet dream of Waco2
Pretty sure he meant the other way around. ie: cops are usually armed.
Then he should have said that.