Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

[MongGrel]

You fail completely to understand the motivation. It was not in the hopes of a Waco or Ruby Ridge, it was TO PREVENT a Waco or Ruby Ridge.

He he he, you can type that with a straight snout ?

 

[MongGrel]

Like you and your ilk who support the restrictions on free speech with "free speech zones". Where was the ACLU on this?

BTW It was completely wrong for the people at the ranch to point guns at the federal agents and I wouldn't have a problem if they were charged.



Thanks. I defend freedom and speak against big government whenever I can.

Dubya had free speech zones miles away from anything that was actually happening every time in Tampa his whole time in office, and pretty much anywhere he went in that bubble if I read that right.

What's you're point there, or you ignorant of the whole meaning of the bubble thing the whole time he was in office?

 

[werepossum]

He he he, you can type that with a straight snout ?

Yep, as witnessed by the fact that there was no shooting. And I guarantee that had hundreds of armed militia shown up at Waco, Reno would never have fired tear gas into the compound and 76 men, women and children would not have died.

Granted, I think they were nuts, but they were still people.

 

[MongGrel]

Yep, as witnessed by the fact that there was no shooting. And I guarantee that had hundreds of armed militia shown up at Waco, Reno would never have fired tear gas into the compound and 76 men, women and children would not have died.

Granted, I think they were nuts, but they were still people.

So I guess the Guberment did it right this time and will now arrest all the guys pointing guns at Feds now I guess.

 

[DrDoug]

So I guess the Guberment did it right this time and will now arrest all the guys pointing guns at Feds now I guess.

They talk as if this is done and over with...lol! This is far from over and they can take that to the bank, the government is not going to let this go unanswered because it will only encourage others to mimic these domestic terrorists. Even the local sheriff says that people will be held accountable for their actions otherwise this would encourage other nuts to point guns at law enforcement. As one of the local cops said, they feared for their lives and the men with guns who surrounded them were pointing the weapons at them and yelling taunts, just begging for some cop to open fire.

Judges place a lot of trust in the testimony of law enforcement and these cops and the feds saw the faces behind this. I'm sure they have most of the names by now and I'll bet warrants will be sworn out on some of them. Those who are not arrested are going to be scared shitless and looking over their shoulders for a long time. I'm looking forward to some really stupid gun owners losing their right to bear arms.

If you abuse it, you lose it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Meh. Free speech zones are merely there to keep the idiots out of everyone else's way, and I see no reason these idiots should be treated any better than the left's idiots.

No, free speech zones are there to keep the 'other side' hidden and, essentially, silenced.

 

[BeeBoop]

WTf is this about

 

[shira]

So I guess the Guberment did it right this time and will now arrest all the guys pointing guns at Feds now I guess.

You betcha! This display of defiance was a tad more dangerous than the acts of civil disobedience performed during the civil rights and Vietnam protest eras, and even those protesters from the 60s and 70s got arrested.

 

[Stewox]

Nobody from Team Liberty is seeking a fight for no reason, but, if there's a fight, you always want to fight the good fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT1ircqQklo

 

[Victorian Gray]

And the brainiacs around Bundy continue to amuse

"Unfortunately, there are also those who would dishonor their service with deceit; while stealing the valor of those who have actually paid the price to attain something difficult, like a Ranger tab. Bundy Ranch Security-Head, Ryan Payne, is one of those guys. While claiming to be a Ranger, and knowing enough of the lingo to be initially convincing, Payne maneuvered into a leadership position of the Bundy Family security team. His motivation? I can only speculate, but if someone is deceitful enough to falsely claim to be a Ranger, one might conclude that they are up to no good."


"Other veterans had their suspicions about Ryan Payne early-on, and began to do some checking on his military record. When they asked around in the Ranger community, no one had ever heard of a Ranger named Ryan Payne. This lead Georgia Ranger veteran Danny Harrington to directly contact the Airborne Ranger Training Brigade at Ft. Benning, Georgia, to run a “tab” check. The staff at the Ranger Training Brigade confirmed that no person named Ryan Payne had attended Ranger School between the years 2000 and 2014. I have included the e-mail string between Harrington and the Ranger School that paralleled the investigation into Payne below. Above, I have included an audio interview with Ranger, Danny Harrington, recounting how he then called the Bundy Ranch and spoke to Payne personally and “outed” Payne’s deceit. On the phone, Ryan Payne admitted that he had never gone to Ranger School and had never served in an actual Ranger unit."

http://northwestlibertynews.com/News/tabid/771/ID/1580/The-Best-Way-to-Anger-a-Ranger.aspx

 

[Meghan54]

I bet you can't find a single state that imposes criminal liability for pointing a loaded gun at someone if 1) the person does intend for the "target" to be aware of the danger and 2) the person aiming the gun does not intend to use it (outside of justified circumstances such as defense of others)

You really need to search correctly. What you need to search for is brandishing a weapon and almost all states have laws against doing that and that will get you arrested, even in the South, a gun happy region.


For instance, and this was a 2 sec. Google search, VA law:

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-282

Bremerton man arrested after brandishing a weapon....
http://kmasnewsradio.com/news/local...erton-man-arrested-after-brandishing-a-weapon

Wash. State: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.270


Nevada Section 202.290: Aiming firearm, whether loaded or not, or discharging where person might be endangered is a penalty; even if injury does not result; gross misdemeanor


South Carolina Section 16-23-410: Unlawful to present or point loaded or unloaded firearm at another person; felony; must be fined or imprisoned not more than 5 years.


Michigan Penal Code 750.234e: Brandishing firearm in public; applicability; violation as misdemeanor


And on and on. Some states call it brandishing, some refer to it as improper exhibition of a weapon, among other "legalese" terms.

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[Jaskalas]

WTf is this about

The men who showed up will now be on an "enemies list" to be hunted down and prosecuted for various crimes.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Nevada Section 202.290: Aiming firearm, whether loaded or not, or discharging where person might be endangered is a penalty; even if injury does not result; gross misdemeanor

So the person in the pictures and possibly more can be charged with this provision of Nevada law. It's a misdemeanor and should they be found guilty it would not result in the loss of their right to own or bear firearms.

 

[Daverino]

So the person in the pictures and possibly more can be charged with this provision of Nevada law. It's a misdemeanor and should they be found guilty it would not result in the loss of their right to own or bear firearms.

You're taking a pretty big bet that that that charge doesn't escalate when you point a weapon at a LEO in the performance of his or her duty.

Like what happened here.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You're taking a pretty big bet that that that charge doesn't escalate when you point a weapon at a LEO in the performance of his or her duty.

Like what happened here.

Sorta hard to determine who he was pointing weapon at considering he was over a half mile away with a iron sight. Don't forget beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Incorruptible]

probably here:

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/br...-lawsuit-settled-after-city-repeals-ordinance

Or here:

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/free-speech-under-fire-aclu-challenge-protest-zones

Where was the ACLU on this case?

Dubya had free speech zones miles away from anything that was actually happening every time in Tampa his whole time in office, and pretty much anywhere he went in that bubble if I read that right.

What's you're point there, or you ignorant of the whole meaning of the bubble thing the whole time he was in office?

So because bush did it that makes it alright for the BLM?

 

[thraashman]

Like you and your ilk who support the restrictions on free speech with "free speech zones". Where was the ACLU on this?

BTW It was completely wrong for the people at the ranch to point guns at the federal agents and I wouldn't have a problem if they were charged.



Thanks. I defend freedom and speak against big government whenever I can.

You must've missed this earlier. There was nothing illegal or unconstitutional about the free speech zones. I quite support the Constitution. So much so that unlike you I actually understand it.

It is generally held that "Government can restrict the time, place and manner of the speech in order to meet a higher need, such as public safety."

http://www.uclalawreview.org/?p=1151
https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know...ons-california
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/...tions-assembly

Looks like it might originate in Hill v. Colorado

 

[SpatiallyAware]

It would not be the first time our country's citizens have had to point guns at oppressors.

That's part of what makes this country free. If you have enough armed people you are free to what is appropriate.


That extends in so many directions. You UK/Canadian/modern progressives obviously hate the fact that the US is governed by the will of the people.


UK/Canada can't even comprehend this concept. You are trained to bow down to your superiors, the people who supposedly know better than you.

 

[Orignal Earl]

It would not be the first time our country's citizens have had to point guns at oppressors.

That's part of what makes this country free. If you have enough armed people you are free to what is appropriate.


That extends in so many directions. You UK/Canadian/modern progressives obviously hate the fact that the US is governed by the will of the people.


UK/Canada can't even comprehend this concept. You are trained to bow down to your superiors, the people who supposedly know better than you.

I pledge my allegiance..
oops wrong topic
Sorry about that

 

[DrDoug]

It would not be the first time our country's citizens have had to point guns at oppressors.

That's part of what makes this country free. If you have enough armed people you are free to what is appropriate.


That extends in so many directions. You UK/Canadian/modern progressives obviously hate the fact that the US is governed by the will of the people.


UK/Canada can't even comprehend this concept. You are trained to bow down to your superiors, the people who supposedly know better than you.

OK, this just has to be trolling. Only a real nutjob, and I mean a real nutjob, I mean Grade A certified nutjob, would actually believe the items I highlighted above.

Regarding Americans taking up arms against other Americans that they viewed as oppressors, that was the Civil War and they lost.

 

[MongGrel]

Nobody from Team Liberty is seeking a fight for no reason, but, if there's a fight, you always want to fight the good fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT1ircqQklo

Your some whiny little guy that would never even show up there, go seek mental help.

I hate people that talk a lot and basically do nothing.

 

[MongGrel]

It would not be the first time our country's citizens have had to point guns at oppressors.

That's part of what makes this country free. If you have enough armed people you are free to what is appropriate.


That extends in so many directions. You UK/Canadian/modern progressives obviously hate the fact that the US is governed by the will of the people.


UK/Canada can't even comprehend this concept. You are trained to bow down to your superiors, the people who supposedly know better than you.

You usually make at least half ass sense, wtf was that?

 

[Orignal Earl]

You usually make at least half ass sense, wtf was that?

He has a magical flag up his ass that makes him superior and impervious to any that stand in his path

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Your some whiny little guy that would never even show up there, go seek mental help.

I hate people that talk a lot and basically do nothing.

What's funny about his statement is the fact that as soon as the BLM left these idiots immediately turned on each other. Seems they are Looking for anyone and anything to fight.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It would not be the first time our country's citizens have had to point guns at oppressors.

That's part of what makes this country free. If you have enough armed people you are free to what is appropriate.


That extends in so many directions. You UK/Canadian/modern progressives obviously hate the fact that the US is governed by the will of the people.


UK/Canada can't even comprehend this concept. You are trained to bow down to your superiors, the people who supposedly know better than you.

When I see you posting from Bundy's ranch in Nevada maybe I might start taking your blathering more seriously. Until then you're just a part of the 'basement militia'. Blah, blah, blah.