Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

[OCGuy]

You oppose the rule of law. We get that now.

I oppose the extreme militarization by every single alphabet-soup agency with an enforcement arm. Somehow this country did just fine without sending out 82 vehicles full of agents (actual count) and SWAT teams in APCs, no knock warrants, on and on, to apprehend non-violent suspects. I oppose "1st Amendment Zones" being an actual suppression tool.

I see the shift in tactic is to attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with the .gov overreach by pretending they are infowars groupies. Yawn. That is equivalent to saying that you agree with child rape and kidnapping if you don't agree with how Janet Reno handled Waco and Elian Gonzalez.

I am as disturbed with those saying the protesters should have been slaughtered as I am with those wishing the feds were. On the bright side they are most likely sad little simpletons who wouldn't have the courage to be on either side.

Both sides had scoped rifles in high positions aimed at the other below them(something that gave me the chills when I saw, I but hope I never see it again). Only one side declared they would shoot without being shot at first. Thankfully it ended how it did, it would have been a disaster for everyone. Instead it was just a disaster for Bloomberg and his minions. :thumbsup:

As for Bundy? He will end up chickening out of jail and paying his bail plus a fine at some point if he doesn't keel over first, but I don't really care about the merits of his case.

The real story isn't about cattle grazing or once "endangered" tortoises. The real story is that unlike at Kent State, civilians exercising guaranteed freedoms went home uninjured and victorious.

 

[OCGuy]

No, of course they cannot pass down privileges to their heirs. These leaches need to be kicked out of National Parks. It's just sickening how crazy the American government capitulates to white privilege. Evict them, drone strike them, whatever. These thugs need to be removed. The original leases should be designated as life estates only with the rest reverting to every American.

You are still allowed to post your racist garbage here? Mods must have completely abandoned it at some point.

Keep arguing about land-use statutes as justification for killing over a hundred cattle and almost opening fire on civilians. I bet I agree with the people spouting this nonsense on almost every other social issue, where the "right" is going to look foolish in 20 years. Unfortunately for them, they look as out of touch and oppressive as StormFronters and Westboro nutters on this one.

 

[CanOWorms]

You are still allowed to post your racist garbage here? Mods must have completely abandoned it at some point.

Wanting to get rid of racial privileges in favor of equality is not racist. Wanting to retain them is racist.

Privilege leaches like this rancher need to be regulated. This guy has 14 children and basically lives off of leaching off of the American government and people. He's just pumping out the kids and expecting Americans to pay for his thug behavior with a massive amount of welfare. This type of leach and gang culture is reprehensible. Living like a regular American is derided as "acting American" or "acting decent" in this guy's environment. It's sickening.

 

[OCGuy]

Wanting to get rid of racial privileges in favor of equality is not racist. Wanting to retain them is racist.

I don't want you banned for being racist, as nobody takes you serious anyway. I want you banned because you are either an alt-account or just a normal troll who is bad at it.

 

[CanOWorms]

I don't want you banned for being racist, as nobody takes you serious anyway. I want you banned because you are either an alt-account or just a normal troll who is bad at it.

Cool, thanks for letting me know.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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The real story isn't about cattle grazing or once "endangered" tortoises. The real story is that unlink at Kent State, civilians exercising guaranteed freedoms went home uninjured and victorious.

Exactly this. Such a huge precedent was set. What a fantastic weekend. These patriots will go down in the history books.

 

[Oldgamer]

I am glad they ended the stand off for now. It looked like the news reported many more "militia" type folks coming to this Ranchers aid, and I imagine this would have not ended well since both sides were armed pretty good.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Ah, so it's over.

yet, Drudge Report is still all over this - even entertaining conspiracies on how Obama ordered this to allow China to build wind mills on that land,...

But, the killing of 3 Jews by a white supremacist, it's side news.

I guess he wouldn't want to offend his audience,..

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

They know where their bread is buttered.

 

[IronWing]

Yes, it is very good that bloodshed was avoided. Now the whackjobs can go home and BLM can get back to carrying out the lawful removal of Mr. Bundy's trespass cattle. That is really what the issue is here, Mr. Bundy's continued violation of law. The whackjob "patriots" were just a sideshow spawned by copulation of the rightwing propaganda mill and some really, really stupid people.

 

[emperus]

You are still allowed to post your racist garbage here? Mods must have completely abandoned it at some point.

Keep arguing about land-use statutes as justification for killing over a hundred cattle and almost opening fire on civilians. I bet I agree with the people spouting this nonsense on almost every other social issue, where the "right" is going to look foolish in 20 years. Unfortunately for them, they look as out of touch and oppressive as StormFronters and Westboro nutters on this one.

Please learn what the word racist means. Geez.

 

[emperus]

I oppose the extreme militarization by every single alphabet-soup agency with an enforcement arm. Somehow this country did just fine without sending out 82 vehicles full of agents (actual count) and SWAT teams in APCs, no knock warrants, on and on, to apprehend non-violent suspects. I oppose "1st Amendment Zones" being an actual suppression tool.

I see the shift in tactic is to attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with the .gov overreach by pretending they are infowars groupies. Yawn. That is equivalent to saying that you agree with child rape and kidnapping if you don't agree with how Janet Reno handled Waco and Elian Gonzalez.

I am as disturbed with those saying the protesters should have been slaughtered as I am with those wishing the feds were. On the bright side they are most likely sad little simpletons who wouldn't have the courage to be on either side.

Both sides had scoped rifles in high positions aimed at the other below them(something that gave me the chills when I saw, I but hope I never see it again). Only one side declared they would shoot without being shot at first. Thankfully it ended how it did, it would have been a disaster for everyone. Instead it was just a disaster for Bloomberg and his minions. :thumbsup:

As for Bundy? He will end up chickening out of jail and paying his bail plus a fine at some point if he doesn't keel over first, but I don't really care about the merits of his case.

The real story isn't about cattle grazing or once "endangered" tortoises. The real story is that unlike at Kent State, civilians exercising guaranteed freedoms went home uninjured and victorious.

You don't think the Feds knew the potential of the situation given the end result? I would think the end result would justify the Feds decision to come out in force.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You don't think the Feds knew the potential of the situation given the end result? I would think the end result would justify the Feds decision to come out in force.

I have a feeling that the feds greatly underestimated the capacity of these people to show up fully armed on horseback in full defensive formation.


It's one thing for them to handle a liberal college in Cali, NY, or Chicago show some backlash by holding up protest signs and creating protest circles. They just spray some pepper spray and these people cower hitting speeddial for 911.


It's quite another to go to the great plains, the south, the midwest and think they're going to back down. These people are well-armed and they know their rights. They have no problem standing up for what is just.

Many of these Patriots will die standing up for what is right. The modern progressives have no concept of this.

 

[IronWing]

It's quite another to go to the great plains, the south, the midwest and think they're going to back down. These people are well-armed and they know their rights. They have no problem standing up for what is just.

Many of these Patriots will die standing up for what is right. The modern progressives have no concept of this.

The trouble here is that these "patriots" have no clue about what is right. They just feed themselves bullshit. There was nothing "right" about the situation Mr. Bundy created through his own illegal behavior. There is nothing "just" about Mr. Bundy's theft. The folks that flocked to Mr. Bundy's ranch are useful idiots at best.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I have a feeling that the feds greatly underestimated the capacity of these people to show up fully armed on horseback in full defensive formation.


It's one thing for them to handle a liberal college in Cali, NY, or Chicago show some backlash by holding up protest signs and creating protest circles. They just spray some pepper spray and these people cower hitting speeddial for 911.


It's quite another to go to the great plains, the south, the midwest and think they're going to back down. These people are well-armed and they know their rights. They have no problem standing up for what is just.

Many of these Patriots will die standing up for what is right. The modern progressives have no concept of this.

Never heard of Waco or Ruby Ridge I guess? Idiot.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The trouble here is that these "patriots" have no clue about what is right. They just feed themselves bullshit. There was nothing "right" about the situation Mr. Bundy created through his own illegal behavior. There is nothing "just" about Mr. Bundy's theft. The folks that flocked to Mr. Bundy's ranch are useful idiots at best.

Nobody cares about what bundy did.


It's a disputed fee / land use issue. For them to show up with nearly 100 vehicles, hundreds of men, with snipers aimed at these people along with attack dogs and tackling pregnant woman is grossly inappropriate.


Arrest the leader and take him to trial, not show up trying to incite a war or just might get one.

 

[IronWing]

Nobody cares about what bundy did.


It's a disputed fee / land use issue. For them to show up with nearly 100 vehicles, hundreds of men, with snipers aimed at these people along with attack dogs and tackling pregnant woman is grossly inappropriate.


Arrest the leader and take him to trial, not show up trying to incite a war or just might get one.

The feds weren't there to arrest Bundy. They were there to remove the trespass cattle. The "patriots" interfered with a lawful roundup. Part of choosing to engage in militia call-ups might maybe aught to include knowing exactly why one is grabbing the guns and heading out the door. Only seems like the responsible thing to do.

 

[fskimospy]

Nobody cares about what bundy did.


It's a disputed fee / land use issue. For them to show up with nearly 100 vehicles, hundreds of men, with snipers aimed at these people along with attack dogs and tackling pregnant woman is grossly inappropriate.


Arrest the leader and take him to trial, not show up trying to incite a war or just might get one.

Arrest him for what? The court cases were not criminal cases, they were adjudicating the land use issue.

Do you know anything about this case other than it involves a white man with guns?

 

[PokerGuy]

Cool, thanks for letting me know.

I don't understand why the mods allow racist scum like yourself to continue to post here. Not only are you obvious racist trash, but your posts never add anything to the conversation.

 

[CitizenKain]

I don't understand why the mods allow racist scum like yourself to continue to post here. Not only are you obvious racist trash, but your posts never add anything to the conversation.

That is some fucking pot kettle black right there.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

That is some fucking pot kettle black right there.

You and the rest of the race brigadiers showed your true colors long ago in the trayvon/zimmerman thread.

I personally don't specifically call most of you all racist, but that's certainly what it is when you feel as though a certain skin color should get preferential treatment.

And then the 4-5 of you call me and others racist who insist on treating everyone equally. Pretty crazy way of thinking.

 

[OCGuy]

You don't think the Feds knew the potential of the situation given the end result? I would think the end result would justify the Feds decision to come out in force.

So...the Feds dispatched over 200 personnel because they knew that by dispatching those 200+ personnel and goose-stepping over protesters on youtube, that they would need a large force to counter the armed response by militia and citizens.

You are my hero.

 

[OCGuy]

Wanting to get rid of racial privileges in favor of equality is not racist. Wanting to retain them is racist.

You know what, I apologize. I am probably reading too far into your code-words, or have you mistaken for someone else. A quick search for your P&N thread titles should clear this righ.......holy..... :hmm:

 

[emperus]

So...the Feds dispatched over 200 personnel because they knew that by dispatching those 200+ personnel and goose-stepping over protesters on youtube, that they would need a large force to counter the armed response by militia and citizens.

You are my hero.

Can you spidey, spatial et al huddle up and get your outrage right?

The feds, dispatched 200 personally because they knew the Bundy was crazy and they knew that there was a propensity for it to escalate. They underestimated how crazy Bundy and his followers were (i.e ready to actually get into a gun fight with the federal government).

Who are you? It's like you don't have any common sense or follow the logic in what you are saying.

Is your argument that if the feds showed up with 2 people, Bundy would have been totally cooperative? Bundy was never going to be cooperative. He's already lost in court twice. They did what they thought was right given the situation and the end result justifies that(I'm sure they had some intelligence saying that he had a lot of arms on his land and probably knew about his anti government ramblings). The only other option was allowing Bundy to skate.

You seem to be just parroting whatever you hear without any logical thought behind it.

Btw if the feds would have showed up with 2 people and a gun fight ensued endangering federal agents, I'm sure you would be blaming Holder and Obama for being incompetent for just sending in 2 people.

 

[CanOWorms]

You know what, I apologize. I am probably reading too far into your code-words, or have you mistaken for someone else. A quick search for your P&N thread titles should clear this righ.......holy..... :hmm:

I think that might tell you more about yourself than me. Those are 10-year-old threads with anti-racism topics.