Throw the Bundy bums off. Collect the $1,000,000 in unpaid fees. Create a Turtle paradise. Charge admission.
The end.
The end.
Bundy is the rural equivalent of a welfare cheat.
You mean if he wants to squat? The county sheriff will pull up in a squad car with his side-arm holstered, and ask that he be allowed to escort him off the property.
I keep forgetting that this isn't exactly the most well-informed board when it comes to matters like this, so I don't blame you for having no idea what this is even all about. But the Sherriff is respected in the eyes of his constituents. They elect him.
(calm down, the flare is in jest )
I don't think you understand. It isn't the citizens that need a reason to stand on public land and exercise their 1st and 2nd guaranteed rights, it is the government that needs to explain why they feel they can trample that free exercise. Do they not teach this stuff anymore?
The BoR isn't the government being nice and granting citizens rights that can be taken, the BoR/Constitution outline the powers and limits of the federal government. Certainly they taught you where the rights default if they weren't specifically laid out, right? Or is this sort of discussion "tea baggery, knuck-dragging, mouth-breathing, MURICA!" nonsense?
No, The government wanted to steal the land and they have stolen land from people before. They shouldn't own this much and sell it off. How come you don't want to do anything about the other welfare cheats?
No, The government wanted to steal the land and they have stolen land from people before. They shouldn't own this much and sell it off. How come you don't want to do anything about the other welfare cheats?
What's your point? The feds recognize state primacy over hunting and fishing and the Secretary of the Interior has to comply with FLPMA. Shrug.Are you even American? "Highest and best use?" There are people that really believe the feds can do whatever they deem necessary on public land?
FEDERAL LAND POLICY AND
MANAGEMENT ACT OF 1976
http://www.blm.gov/flpma/FLPMA.pdf
Meanwhile back to the other ranchers...?
BLM has discretionary authority to close allotments. It is 100% legal.
Also, you should have included the rest of the story, literally...
The BLM has extensive public input when writing its land plans. But, ultimately, the law requires BLM to make these decisions concerning land use.I don't agree. You seem to assume no one else has any rights.
I also don't agree that converting the land from a cattle ranch to a turtle ranch is "the highest and best use".
I also get the feeling that many of you believe the govt must do what's in its best interest and that we must unquestioningly yield to it, while I believe it should do what is in our best interest.
Fern
No, The government wanted to steal the land and they have stolen land from people before. They shouldn't own this much and sell it off. How come you don't want to do anything about the other welfare cheats?
Wait a minute. I thought these protestors were exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights? Now they were rebelling? Mindful citizens or traitors, which one?Using Park Police to suppress a rebellion seems like a big deal in terms of incompetence.
Meanwhile back to the other ranchers...?
BLM has discretionary authority to close allotments. It is 100% legal.
Also, you should have included the rest of the story, literally...
This must be a troll. It's already been proven beyond doubt that Bundy does not have any legal right to the land in question. You cant be robbed of what you never owned.
I have also stated on several occasions in this thread that I would be more than happy if the federal government sold off much of the public lands.. at fair market value. A dime less would be welfare.
The year has been great for me!
We all know that had this guy been an urban black guy not paying fees and then threatening people you would be losing your mind about 'thugs'. Unsurprisingly, you love rural white thugs. That's because you're a racist.
Is it really in good form to just throw out accusations of racism when no evidence of it is present? I am talking more in general, I see this tactic performed quite a bit: "Well if x was y, you would be saying the opposite!"
You should be above such behavior, you are a smart guy and if you need to lower yourself to such behavior to "win" an internet forum debate, well then....
I've posted this same sentiment before, replying to conservatives and liberals alike, so don't take it personally. It's just a real peeve of mine when people do this.
In private real estate, is there not a concept of squatters rights? Not positive, but if one took 20 years to evict someone squatting in say a second home, have they not forfeit that property to the squatter?
Not that there is a direct parallel, more curious of the concept. And has it been confirmed by someone other than Alex Jones or the like that some Chinese energy company has designs on this land? Been away for a few days and trying to cut to the chase, thanks.
If this footage is actually true and the person in this video is actually stating facts of the matter then I'm not surprised people like Spidey and his ilk support the militia in Nevada
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9bd_1397530127
using women as human shields? fuckers.
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You are referring to adverse possession. First, it doesn't apply to federal lands. Second, you have to have a situation where the owner of the land is not attempting to enforce their property rights. The Feds have been fighting this guy the whole time, so even if adverse possession did apply, he wouldn't meet the standard for it. (Or be anywhere close)
I'm not offended at all, and I don't really care as to the partisan persuasions of anyone you might have called out.
As for evidence of this guy's racism I strongly suggest you go read his posting history.
Frequently people try to put words or thoughts onto someone in order to improve their position, but sometimes people are just calling a spade a spade. The guy has shown himself to be a huge racist in numerous other threads, calling out just this sort of behavior in others that he is trying to excuse here.
Wait a minute. I thought these protestors were exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights? Now they were rebelling? Mindful citizens or traitors, which one?
PS: Park police are real cops who spend most their time on the same crap other cops deal with: drunk drivers, violent drunks, drugs, vandals, thieves, and wife beaters.
Traitors.
Traitors.
Don't you mean white privileged traitors? I am surprise to see a post of yours free of those two words.
Just curious, do you live in the USA? I seem to recall a post claiming citizenship of Iceland, but that was long ago and probably someone else. I only ask as knowing would provide context, as would your heritage but I don't feel like asking that is appropriate.