Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

[Incorruptible]

Got anything useful to add?

 

[zinfamous]

Got anything useful to add?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Got anything useful to add?

 

[Incorruptible]

Still suffering from brain damage?

 

[UberNeuman]

Still suffering from brain damage?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Still suffering from brain damage?

It was great!

 

[Abraxas]

I really think Incorruptible and Spatial are trolling this thread. Page after page after page and they have not made a coherent argument yet.

As far as Incorruptible goes, that's what he does every thread. We're talking about the guy who called Obama "boy" and then acted all surprised when people called him out on being racist. He overplayed his hand as a troll has been outed which is why you'll note he never replies to me anymore - he knows I have the goods on him and he isn't done jerking the rest of you around for his amusement. Don't get me wrong, he's every bit the sad idiot he pretends to be, just in a different way.

 

[fskimospy]

Are these regulations enacted by bureaucrats or specific laws passed by Congress?

Because if it's the former it isn't "lawfully enacted regulations put in place by a democratically elected legislature".

Fern

Of course they are, do you know how the law works?

Congress, our democratically elected legislature, passes laws in which they tell they employees to carry out their will in regards to regulating federal lands. These bureaucrats can only act within the scope of regulatory authority explicitly granted to them by law by Congress.

The law treats the two as identical things. Now if you have a problem with a a century or two of American law, I would argue that you have a far larger problem than this on your hands.

 

[Vic]

Liberal idiot attacking libertarians, not surprised at all. You don't have a right to other peoples money.

So why are you supporting the rancher who won't pay for his use of public resources?

 

[UberNeuman]

So why are you supporting the rancher who won't pay for his use of public resources?

I think your answer is a couple post up by Abraxas....

 

[Jaskalas]

Nope. They're domestic terrorists and secessionist rebel scum.

Bundy is the most dangerous man in America and probably more dangerous to American national security than Osama bin Laden ever was. He's becoming the poster boy for heterosexual conservative white males fighting to maintain their privileges over equality.

Americans standing up in defiance is an existential threat to tyranny. I take it tyranny is what you claim to represent by feeling so threatened by men who held their ground against assailants.

Americans aren't a scary lot. You just have to learn to live and let live. To grant authority to their local representatives and stay out of their business. Try to claim dominion or ownership over them and you cross the line. You violate their rights. You have no right to cast your fellow Americans in chains. We are not your slaves by which to suffer equal bondage.

For much of mankind self determination is a privilege. As Americans we claim that right through strength of arms.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Well gosh darn it I thought it was through God.

Get your story straight!

 

[thraashman]

So why are you supporting the rancher who won't pay for his use of public resources?

I'm going to try to answer this for him based on his past posts.

Because the free market! Government is evil! Tea bagging!

 

[CanOWorms]

Americans standing up in defiance is an existential threat to tyranny. I take it tyranny is what you claim to represent by feeling so threatened by men who held their ground against assailants.

Americans aren't a scary lot. You just have to learn to live and let live. To grant authority to their local representatives and stay out of their business. Try to claim dominion or ownership over them and you cross the line. You violate their rights. You have no right to cast your fellow Americans in chains. We are not your slaves by which to suffer equal bondage.

For much of mankind self determination is a privilege. As Americans we claim that right through strength of arms.

Bundy must be made to submit. He and his supports need to kneel or become martyrs. They are the tyranny. They are the scary lot. They won't let others live and let live because they want their privileges at everyone else's expense.

As Americans we claim the right to eradicate rebellion with drone strikes.

 

[cubby1223]

So why are you supporting the rancher who won't pay for his use of public resources?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_enemy_of_my_enemy_is_my_friend

 

[shortylickens]

So how long until we get a movie of the week?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So how long until we get a movie of the week?

With Clint Eastwood starring Bundy

and Steve Buscemi as the leader of the BLM

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Bundy must be made to submit. He and his supports need to kneel or become martyrs. They are the tyranny. They are the scary lot. They won't let others live and let live because they want their privileges at everyone else's expense.

As Americans we claim the right to eradicate rebellion with drone strikes.

LOL good luck with that


The public seems to overwhelmingly support bundy and his cause. This is the main reason why it's not being blasted on cnn and other liberal networks.

Plus with the fact that this was all precipitated by an energy company backed by obama the last thing our Dear Leader will let happen is to try and tread on these people.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

This is not analogous to the situation here at all as the terms of the contract signed between the rancher and the feds was very different.

Had the feds been in breach of their contractual obligations to him they would not have repeatedly won in court on the issue.

False. Just because they manipulated the terms of the contract doesn't mean it's automatically the right thing to do. They slowly lowered the amount of allowed cattle and abused every nook and cranny of that contract as they possibly could. It's a media nightmare, what the BLM and our Dear Leader is doing to this poor old farmer.

"How about a realistic example?

He agrees to let you pay him to use a corner of his yard for a shed.

This requires you to build a driveway and spend significant amounts of money to build the shed along with wiring electricity to the shed.

You have agreed on a 10 year term and paid upfront.

2 years in, he gets an offer from an oil company to drill for oil.

So, he pays a fundie environmentalist to claim that your shed is endangering some turtles. He increases your rates, enacts policies not under your agreement, all in an attempt to force you and your shed off the property."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

LOL good luck with that


The public seems to overwhelmingly support bundy and his cause. This is the main reason why it's not being blasted on cnn and other liberal networks.

Plus with the fact that this was all precipitated by an energy company backed by obama the last thing our Dear Leader will let happen is to try and tread on these people.

What are you basing this on? I'd wager that less than 40% of the public has even heard of this situation, and unless they are basing their opinions on dogma promulgated by Fox News and Infowars (as many people admittedly do) I think most of them would side with BLM. I don't see this as a particularly close call - Bundy does not even acknowledge the authority of the federal government, and his actions are clearly illegal.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Geez what a terrible past couple years to be a modern progressive.

Gun ownership and CCW is skyrocketing, our courts and juries are siding with self defense rights, you lost the zimmerman/trayvon thing, hell even dunn was only convicted due to shooting the back of the SUV.

Obama and every one of his promises/lies blew up in your face, the entire healthcare thing absolutely could not have gone worse.

And now this - Patriots were forced to band together to fight for what is just and your Dear Leader and his BLM cronies backed down.


How much worse can it get for you all? Honestly I almost feel bad for the current liberal / modern progressive group. It's got to be embarrassing.

 

[dank69]

False. Just because they manipulated the terms of the contract doesn't mean it's automatically the right thing to do. They slowly lowered the amount of allowed cattle and abused every nook and cranny of that contract as they possibly could. It's a media nightmare, what the BLM and our Dear Leader is doing to this poor old farmer.

"How about a realistic example?

He agrees to let you pay him to use a corner of his yard for a shed.

This requires you to build a driveway and spend significant amounts of money to build the shed along with wiring electricity to the shed.

You have agreed on a 10 year term and paid upfront.

2 years in, he gets an offer from an oil company to drill for oil.

So, he pays a fundie environmentalist to claim that your shed is endangering some turtles. He increases your rates, enacts policies not under your agreement, all in an attempt to force you and your shed off the property."

I wonder what cranny you pulled the bolded statement from.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I wonder what cranny you pulled the bolded statement from.

Read the numerous quotes and statements in this thread. Fern was the leader of that particular statement and backed it up. I'm not doing your homework this time.

They abused the wording of the contract to change how many cattle were allowed after bundy spend massive amounts of money building roads/water and infrastructure.

They've done this numerous times in the past when big biz (this time funded by obama) wanted to pay for the land.

They make up BS about turtles, take back 100's of acres under contract with these farmers, set up a 1 acre turtle reserve and sell the rest.


Shameful, just shameful that you modern progressives and big government supporters are a-ok with this.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What are you basing this on? I'd wager that less than 40% of the public has even heard of this situation, and unless they are basing their opinions on dogma promulgated by Fox News and Infowars (as many people admittedly do) I think most of them would side with BLM. I don't see this as a particularly close call - Bundy does not even acknowledge the authority of the federal government, and his actions are clearly illegal.

You know good and well that cnn would be airing anti-bundy 24/7 if they could.

Bundy acknowledges the fed government, just not their title over reselling the land to obama backed energy company. Don't be dishonest in your debate, you can do better than this without distorting like you always do. I know, I know, it's in your blood, it's what they taught you in the those 3 short years. Rofl

 

[dank69]

What are you basing this on? I'd wager that less than 40% of the public has even heard of this situation, and unless they are basing their opinions on dogma promulgated by Fox News and Infowars (as many people admittedly do) I think most of them would side with BLM. I don't see this as a particularly close call - Bundy does not even acknowledge the authority of the federal government, and his actions are clearly illegal.

Pretty sure even Fox News isn't stupid enough to side with this rancher.