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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

OMFG, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't believe you took the time to find all of this information, you have no life. Now to answer your questio about this:

Someone in that same thread replied, with this:

quote:

Originally posted by: BriGy86
A: how would it set your house on fire?
B: why would you be draging the end of the cord over a floppy disk anyway?
C: like 777php says, who uses them still? especially if you have a new macbook pro?


And, of course, no response from Mango. Troll? Keep reading.

The reason I didn't respond to that thread is because it wasn't in my 'recent thread's section' on my 'my anandtech' page and so I didn't bother replying...

Go ahead, call me a troll, I don't care, it's not like my opinions are completely fabricated from nothingness and I have decided one day to abitrarily have a vendetta agianst apple simply because the thought crossed my head.



I hate apple not only because they produce overpriced AND HYPED, low quality, poorly designed, asthetically geared products, but because of what they stand for and what they do.

The people at apple and the apple zombies who would suck steve jobs' cock, if presented the opportunity are from what I've experienced are a bunch of pompous, self rightous, know-it-alls who believe they thought, did, said, or created it first and believe that everybody else who doesn't conform to their ideaology or the 'apple way' are ignorant, uncreative, conforming little drones that can't think for themselves.

This is why I hate apple and it's drones. Until 'they' realize they're NOT any better than the people they belittle and that they ARE infact flawed themselves and CAN accept the fact they DO have a superioirity complex is the day that I will support apple.


Flame Away Apple Zombies..

Don't get me wrong, I despise apple products in some of the same ways as you do. However, talking down to the Apple laptops as inferior products simply proves you have no fvcking clue what your talking about. ASUStek, quanta and possibly another manufacturer make all Apple laptops. The same OEMs that make laptops for various other manufacturers worldwide. Asus being - and a lot of people would agree - the best latop manufacturer out there, IMO. Who as far as I know, makes all of these newest MacBooks.

This is the same for everything apple "makes" since they don't make anything hardware wise - only have OEMs do it for them. Those OEMs are nearly always great OEM's in terms of quality, and always share components with a product that you would most likely rave about while talking down to apples even though its the same. By all means though, keep it up - pwnage of the year award is only a few more posts away

Edited: took quotes away to make post shorter

Yes because I remember the first asus computer I bought I thought of how awesome it was, oh wait... Designing a stable motherboard and designing a computer that isn't an electric blanket are two different accomplishments..
You keep saying that the apple laptops are of such high quality and that I have no clue as to what I'm talking about, now what about IBM, have you ever used an IBM laptop? If so, DO TELL! I wouldn't be surprised that you have since thats the only reply to this question with out looking like a fool. I've used tons of apple products, not a single one of which I've been impressed by.

Before I got my IBM T42, I was indifferent to IBM products, I did remember an IBM 600 series laptop that my dad had purchased that I strangely immensely liked but my encounter with it was cut short, only to never see or use it again. I didn't use an IBM computer until I got my T42, which I purchased solely on the advice of anandtech forum goers..

Out of all the laptops I've used which is quite a bit, (BTW if you're an IT guy who works on laptops, STFU, nobody cares, I've used a lot for a person who doesn't work in IT) I have to say the IBM laptops are absolutely Top notch, I've seen older T series in better condition than panasonic tough books, but that might not be saying much since they ARE put under vastly different conditions...

dude, i own an ibm T42 also and while it's a sweet laptop, i'd give it up any day for a mbp or even a lower quality apple laptop. the only thing i'd miss is the fingerprint reader. just cause you have so much hatred for a certain company doesn't mean that you can't acknowledge the quality in the products that they sell. that's just being biased and ignorant.
 

LtPage1

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Do you think the ProCare warranty is worth it?

How much is it?

Yes, absolutely. Anything breaks within 2 years, they fix it or send you a new computer at zero cost. $250- less if you're a student.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: bigrash
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

OMFG, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't believe you took the time to find all of this information, you have no life. Now to answer your questio about this:

Someone in that same thread replied, with this:

quote:

Originally posted by: BriGy86
A: how would it set your house on fire?
B: why would you be draging the end of the cord over a floppy disk anyway?
C: like 777php says, who uses them still? especially if you have a new macbook pro?


And, of course, no response from Mango. Troll? Keep reading.

The reason I didn't respond to that thread is because it wasn't in my 'recent thread's section' on my 'my anandtech' page and so I didn't bother replying...

Go ahead, call me a troll, I don't care, it's not like my opinions are completely fabricated from nothingness and I have decided one day to abitrarily have a vendetta agianst apple simply because the thought crossed my head.



I hate apple not only because they produce overpriced AND HYPED, low quality, poorly designed, asthetically geared products, but because of what they stand for and what they do.

The people at apple and the apple zombies who would suck steve jobs' cock, if presented the opportunity are from what I've experienced are a bunch of pompous, self rightous, know-it-alls who believe they thought, did, said, or created it first and believe that everybody else who doesn't conform to their ideaology or the 'apple way' are ignorant, uncreative, conforming little drones that can't think for themselves.

This is why I hate apple and it's drones. Until 'they' realize they're NOT any better than the people they belittle and that they ARE infact flawed themselves and CAN accept the fact they DO have a superioirity complex is the day that I will support apple.


Flame Away Apple Zombies..

Don't get me wrong, I despise apple products in some of the same ways as you do. However, talking down to the Apple laptops as inferior products simply proves you have no fvcking clue what your talking about. ASUStek, quanta and possibly another manufacturer make all Apple laptops. The same OEMs that make laptops for various other manufacturers worldwide. Asus being - and a lot of people would agree - the best latop manufacturer out there, IMO. Who as far as I know, makes all of these newest MacBooks.

This is the same for everything apple "makes" since they don't make anything hardware wise - only have OEMs do it for them. Those OEMs are nearly always great OEM's in terms of quality, and always share components with a product that you would most likely rave about while talking down to apples even though its the same. By all means though, keep it up - pwnage of the year award is only a few more posts away

Edited: took quotes away to make post shorter

Yes because I remember the first asus computer I bought I thought of how awesome it was, oh wait... Designing a stable motherboard and designing a computer that isn't an electric blanket are two different accomplishments..
You keep saying that the apple laptops are of such high quality and that I have no clue as to what I'm talking about, now what about IBM, have you ever used an IBM laptop? If so, DO TELL! I wouldn't be surprised that you have since thats the only reply to this question with out looking like a fool. I've used tons of apple products, not a single one of which I've been impressed by.

Before I got my IBM T42, I was indifferent to IBM products, I did remember an IBM 600 series laptop that my dad had purchased that I strangely immensely liked but my encounter with it was cut short, only to never see or use it again. I didn't use an IBM computer until I got my T42, which I purchased solely on the advice of anandtech forum goers..

Out of all the laptops I've used which is quite a bit, (BTW if you're an IT guy who works on laptops, STFU, nobody cares, I've used a lot for a person who doesn't work in IT) I have to say the IBM laptops are absolutely Top notch, I've seen older T series in better condition than panasonic tough books, but that might not be saying much since they ARE put under vastly different conditions...

dude, i own an ibm T42 also and while it's a sweet laptop, i'd give it up any day for a mbp or even a lower quality apple laptop. the only thing i'd miss is the fingerprint reader. just cause you have so much hatred for a certain company doesn't mean that you can't acknowledge the quality in the products that they sell. that's just being biased and ignorant.
Good for you, I bet asthetics is a top priority when choosing a laptop, isn't it. I really doubt you'd pick up a 'mbp' because of it's 'quality' because if you did, you'd be an idiot. After hearing all the things that have plagued this generation, you'd still pick one up? I call shens, and if you WERE that stupid to pickup one over a T42, then you're just beyond help..

Now tell me, WHY WOULD YOU choose a 'mbp' over your IBM T42?
Your reason can't include the following:
1. Faster processor
2. Better batterylife (because this would be a 'crock of ******)
3. Better quality
4. Better video card


 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: loup garou
LOL, phillipine goku got owned! :laugh:

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You're so right 'werk', hey werk, aren't you suppose to be somewhere sucking steve jobs' c**k?

Hmmm, I guess 'jobs let you out early eh?
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: loup garou
LOL, phillipine goku got owned! :laugh:

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You're so right 'werk', hey werk, aren't you suppose to be somewhere sucking steve jobs' c**k?

Hmmm, I guess 'jobs let you out early eh?

Are you literally 10 years old? Grow up please. I pointed that stuff out so you'd knock it off, but man you just keep trolling and trolling. :thumbsdown:

 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: loup garou
LOL, phillipine goku got owned! :laugh:

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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You're so right 'werk', hey werk, aren't you suppose to be somewhere sucking steve jobs' c**k?

Hmmm, I guess 'jobs let you out early eh?

Are you literally 10 years old? Grow up please. I pointed that stuff out so you'd knock it off, but man you just keep trolling and trolling. :thumbsdown:
Right, because 'werk' isn't trolling at all, no no no, of course not. It's not trolling if it doesn't involve you or offend you and it isn't trolling if hes on your side.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: loup garou
LOL, phillipine goku got owned! :laugh:

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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You're so right 'werk', hey werk, aren't you suppose to be somewhere sucking steve jobs' c**k?

Hmmm, I guess 'jobs let you out early eh?

Are you literally 10 years old? Grow up please. I pointed that stuff out so you'd knock it off, but man you just keep trolling and trolling. :thumbsdown:
Right, because 'werk' isn't trolling at all, no no no, of course not. It's not trolling if it doesn't involve you or offend you and it isn't trolling if hes on your side.

Saying that he's 'sucking Steve Jobs' does imply a good amount of immaturity and trollish nature. Do you even think before you post? Or actually try to form logical arguments?
 

Acanthus

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Tu13erhead
Are any of you MacBook owners having heat issues? Or any other issues? Some people have reported their MacBooks locking up due to overheating...

Ours gets warm, but no lockups, and I've had it up and running since we picked it up. If you have any experience with Powerbooks, it is the same level of heat. Seems very similar to the Dell D600/610 line.

How sad...
In my experience with IBM laptops, I absolutely love them and make dell look like garbage, I can easily see how it would make the macs look like crap by the way you describe things and what I've heard.

The laptop should never get hot or even remotely warm, if it does, the cooling system ISN'T doing it's job. On my T42, under full load at full speed, the only thing that is hot is the exhaust heat (ya know, where the heat is blown out from the fan), otherwise everything else on the laptop is about ambient temperature.

Understand that on the Dell E1505 there isn't even fan on most of the time, only under full load does the near silent fan even turn on. Its obviously thermally controlled.
 

Acanthus

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Vortec4800
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You are essentially paying $300 more for inferior hardware and a different OS.

I dont understand the argument.

OSX is not worth the increased cost.

Well I know many, many people (including some very high-up IT security professionals) that would disagree with you. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the Apple computer is the greatest computer ever to be had, and there are much better machines - but for the price I believe it is one of the best. Do I believe it is better than Dell? Wholeheartedly. OS X is a great operating system, it just takes a little getting used to. I even bought my mom a Mac Mini. She has this uncanny ability to crash any computer you put in front of her. It's been almost a year and the thing has never even froze up on her. She couldn't be happier.

The $300 goes to higher build quality and support, better cosmetic design (IMO), and OS X.

Im not seeing the higher build quality, its the same materials.

Support ill give you hands down. Apple has the best support in the industry.

Cosmetic design? Id say the E1505 looks better than that clunky design that looks like its from the 80s.

Again, i dont see how OSX can command a higher price than windows.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Tu13erhead
Are any of you MacBook owners having heat issues? Or any other issues? Some people have reported their MacBooks locking up due to overheating...

Ours gets warm, but no lockups, and I've had it up and running since we picked it up. If you have any experience with Powerbooks, it is the same level of heat. Seems very similar to the Dell D600/610 line.

How sad...
In my experience with IBM laptops, I absolutely love them and make dell look like garbage, I can easily see how it would make the macs look like crap by the way you describe things and what I've heard.

The laptop should never get hot or even remotely warm, if it does, the cooling system ISN'T doing it's job. On my T42, under full load at full speed, the only thing that is hot is the exhaust heat (ya know, where the heat is blown out from the fan), otherwise everything else on the laptop is about ambient temperature.

Understand that on the Dell E1505 there isn't even fan on most of the time, only under full load does the near silent fan even turn on. Its obviously thermally controlled.

Where did I say it wasn't thermally controlled? The macbook and the dell E1505 I'm sure have thermally controlled fans but that doesn't mean they don't run hotter than they should. On the T42, when the fan is at full speed its 'near silent', and the laptop always stays ambient temperature everywhere else BUT the exhaust, THATS the way it should be.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Vortec4800
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You are essentially paying $300 more for inferior hardware and a different OS.

I dont understand the argument.

OSX is not worth the increased cost.

Well I know many, many people (including some very high-up IT security professionals) that would disagree with you. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the Apple computer is the greatest computer ever to be had, and there are much better machines - but for the price I believe it is one of the best. Do I believe it is better than Dell? Wholeheartedly. OS X is a great operating system, it just takes a little getting used to. I even bought my mom a Mac Mini. She has this uncanny ability to crash any computer you put in front of her. It's been almost a year and the thing has never even froze up on her. She couldn't be happier.

The $300 goes to higher build quality and support, better cosmetic design (IMO), and OS X.

Im not seeing the higher build quality, its the same materials.

Support ill give you hands down. Apple has the best support in the industry.
I find that hard to believe, IBM and the 'former dell' have excellent support (in dell's case, 'used to'), even microsoft has excellent support but thats a different category in a way.. For a person who has dealt with technical support from various companies, I have to say IBM has one of the finest IF NOT the finest.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Vortec4800
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You are essentially paying $300 more for inferior hardware and a different OS.

I dont understand the argument.

OSX is not worth the increased cost.

Well I know many, many people (including some very high-up IT security professionals) that would disagree with you. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the Apple computer is the greatest computer ever to be had, and there are much better machines - but for the price I believe it is one of the best. Do I believe it is better than Dell? Wholeheartedly. OS X is a great operating system, it just takes a little getting used to. I even bought my mom a Mac Mini. She has this uncanny ability to crash any computer you put in front of her. It's been almost a year and the thing has never even froze up on her. She couldn't be happier.

The $300 goes to higher build quality and support, better cosmetic design (IMO), and OS X.

Im not seeing the higher build quality, its the same materials.

Support ill give you hands down. Apple has the best support in the industry.
I find that hard to believe, IBM and the 'former dell' have excellent support (in dell's case, 'used to'), even microsoft has excellent support but thats a different category in a way.. For a person who has dealt with technical support from various companies, I have to say IBM has one of the finest IF NOT the finest.

I literally sent in my thinkpad FIVE TIMES to IBM. They never, ever fixed it. I ended up getting a newer thinkpad after escalating calls and waiting weeks. This whole process took months. They were willing to work with me, but the bottom line is that they never fixed the problem.

When I bought my iBook, it came with a slightly damaged bezel (near the usb ports). I called them and was on the phone for a total of about 15 minutes (vs hours spent with IBM), and I had a brand new iBook within a week or so, and it was factory upgraded for free.

Personal experience with both companies tells me that Apple has better support. I also never had to get routed anywhere with Apple, I immediately spoke to someone who understood and spoke very fluent English, with IBM I had to get transferred around often.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Vortec4800
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You are essentially paying $300 more for inferior hardware and a different OS.

I dont understand the argument.

OSX is not worth the increased cost.

Well I know many, many people (including some very high-up IT security professionals) that would disagree with you. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the Apple computer is the greatest computer ever to be had, and there are much better machines - but for the price I believe it is one of the best. Do I believe it is better than Dell? Wholeheartedly. OS X is a great operating system, it just takes a little getting used to. I even bought my mom a Mac Mini. She has this uncanny ability to crash any computer you put in front of her. It's been almost a year and the thing has never even froze up on her. She couldn't be happier.

The $300 goes to higher build quality and support, better cosmetic design (IMO), and OS X.

Im not seeing the higher build quality, its the same materials.

Support ill give you hands down. Apple has the best support in the industry.
I find that hard to believe, IBM and the 'former dell' have excellent support (in dell's case, 'used to'), even microsoft has excellent support but thats a different category in a way.. For a person who has dealt with technical support from various companies, I have to say IBM has one of the finest IF NOT the finest.

I literally sent in my thinkpad FIVE TIMES to IBM. They never, ever fixed it. I ended up getting a newer thinkpad after escalating calls and waiting weeks. This whole process took months. They were willing to work with me, but the bottom line is that they never fixed the problem.

When I bought my iBook, it came with a slightly damaged bezel (near the usb ports). I called them and was on the phone for a total of about 15 minutes (vs hours spent with IBM), and I had a brand new iBook within a week or so, and it was factory upgraded for free.

Personal experience with both companies tells me that Apple has better support. I also never had to get routed anywhere with Apple, I immediately spoke to someone who understood and spoke very fluent English, with IBM I had to get transferred around often.

Sounds like a unique experience to me.. I purchased a port replicator on ebay that either was malfunctioning or I didn't use it right, so I called IBM, they sent me a box, I put the item in the box, shipped it back and got another, all at no cost to me and was relatively hassel free. I got the port replicator and it worked fine since, I love it. Thats my experience with IBM.
 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Vortec4800
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You are essentially paying $300 more for inferior hardware and a different OS.

I dont understand the argument.

OSX is not worth the increased cost.

Well I know many, many people (including some very high-up IT security professionals) that would disagree with you. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the Apple computer is the greatest computer ever to be had, and there are much better machines - but for the price I believe it is one of the best. Do I believe it is better than Dell? Wholeheartedly. OS X is a great operating system, it just takes a little getting used to. I even bought my mom a Mac Mini. She has this uncanny ability to crash any computer you put in front of her. It's been almost a year and the thing has never even froze up on her. She couldn't be happier.

The $300 goes to higher build quality and support, better cosmetic design (IMO), and OS X.

Im not seeing the higher build quality, its the same materials.

Support ill give you hands down. Apple has the best support in the industry.
I find that hard to believe, IBM and the 'former dell' have excellent support (in dell's case, 'used to'), even microsoft has excellent support but thats a different category in a way.. For a person who has dealt with technical support from various companies, I have to say IBM has one of the finest IF NOT the finest.

I literally sent in my thinkpad FIVE TIMES to IBM. They never, ever fixed it. I ended up getting a newer thinkpad after escalating calls and waiting weeks. This whole process took months. They were willing to work with me, but the bottom line is that they never fixed the problem.

When I bought my iBook, it came with a slightly damaged bezel (near the usb ports). I called them and was on the phone for a total of about 15 minutes (vs hours spent with IBM), and I had a brand new iBook within a week or so, and it was factory upgraded for free.

Personal experience with both companies tells me that Apple has better support. I also never had to get routed anywhere with Apple, I immediately spoke to someone who understood and spoke very fluent English, with IBM I had to get transferred around often.

Sounds like a unique experience to me.. I purchased a port replicator on ebay that either was malfunctioning or I didn't use it right, so I called IBM, they sent me a box, I put the item in the box, shipped it back and got another, all at no cost to me and was relatively hassel free. I got the port replicator and it worked fine since, I love it. Thats my experience with IBM.

Exactly. That's my point; everyone has different experiences. I'm going to venture a guess that you've never personally dealt with Applecare, yet you bash it.

One can't rely on conjecture to form a solid opinion on a company, much the same that one can't form an argument with no personal experience or solid fact to back up the statements. Learn this and I really think you'll be a happier individual.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Vortec4800
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You are essentially paying $300 more for inferior hardware and a different OS.

I dont understand the argument.

OSX is not worth the increased cost.

Well I know many, many people (including some very high-up IT security professionals) that would disagree with you. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the Apple computer is the greatest computer ever to be had, and there are much better machines - but for the price I believe it is one of the best. Do I believe it is better than Dell? Wholeheartedly. OS X is a great operating system, it just takes a little getting used to. I even bought my mom a Mac Mini. She has this uncanny ability to crash any computer you put in front of her. It's been almost a year and the thing has never even froze up on her. She couldn't be happier.

The $300 goes to higher build quality and support, better cosmetic design (IMO), and OS X.

Im not seeing the higher build quality, its the same materials.

Support ill give you hands down. Apple has the best support in the industry.
I find that hard to believe, IBM and the 'former dell' have excellent support (in dell's case, 'used to'), even microsoft has excellent support but thats a different category in a way.. For a person who has dealt with technical support from various companies, I have to say IBM has one of the finest IF NOT the finest.

I literally sent in my thinkpad FIVE TIMES to IBM. They never, ever fixed it. I ended up getting a newer thinkpad after escalating calls and waiting weeks. This whole process took months. They were willing to work with me, but the bottom line is that they never fixed the problem.

When I bought my iBook, it came with a slightly damaged bezel (near the usb ports). I called them and was on the phone for a total of about 15 minutes (vs hours spent with IBM), and I had a brand new iBook within a week or so, and it was factory upgraded for free.

Personal experience with both companies tells me that Apple has better support. I also never had to get routed anywhere with Apple, I immediately spoke to someone who understood and spoke very fluent English, with IBM I had to get transferred around often.

Sounds like a unique experience to me.. I purchased a port replicator on ebay that either was malfunctioning or I didn't use it right, so I called IBM, they sent me a box, I put the item in the box, shipped it back and got another, all at no cost to me and was relatively hassel free. I got the port replicator and it worked fine since, I love it. Thats my experience with IBM.

Exactly. That's my point; everyone has different experiences. I'm going to venture a guess that you've never personally dealt with Applecare, yet you bash it.

One can't rely on conjecture to form a solid opinion on a company, much the same that one can't form an argument with no personal experience or solid fact to back up the statements. Learn this and I really think you'll be a happier individual.

I'm not bashing apple support, infact by what I've heard I believe it's probably fairly decent since it's the best thing they can offer since they produce shoddy products. What I'm discounting is the fact that apple has 'the best' support in the industry, THAT is a fallacy. To be honest, I have no idea what company has the best support but I doubt it's apple just like I doubt it's IBM, or dell or any of these other big companies..

edit Now that I think about it, I believe the only 'good support' apple has are it's technicians on the phones, the 'genius bar' is absolutely worthless, sure they'll get the repair on your 'product' started sooner but because apple employees tend to be pompous a-holes, they're in my eyes 'worthless'.

I don't believe this is a topic we should be discussing because I doubt there is anybody on these forums that would know the 'true answer' since I not only think that nobody has dealt with 'everybody' but each experience when it comes to support seems to be arbitrary.

What I CAN talk about is the quality of the product that apple puts out, I hear so many news stories all the time about apple products failing this, bad batteries, port connectors catching fire, running too hot, unable to go back to OSX after bootcamp, peeling laptop covers, poor performance, surfaces easily scratched, iPods corrupting files, all sorts of this ******. Very rarely if at all have I heard of such things from IBM.. There is NO EXCUSE for apple to have products of this low of quality when they charge such a high premium, I pay more for higher quality and performance, not cosmetic fluff.
 

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From what I've heard the Macbook doesn't really have a heat problem. The MacBook Pro did have a heat problem, but it was just too hot for some people's taste - the system never actually failed. Reapplication of thermal grease fixed it right up. Of course the case still gets warm, it is afterall made of aluminum. I own many Apple products and have never had an issue with any of them. Ever. Dual 2.0Ghz G5, iBook, 30" Cinema Display, G4 Cube, multiple iPods, MacBook Pro. Never an issue. Poor quality my ass. I've also never had a slowdown in OS X on any of my machines, and even the slower G4 machines could keep up with my faster X2 system running XP Pro SP2. I'm also not sure how you can say that the design is old and clunky from the 80's. It's slim and white/black. Looks pretty modern to me...
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: Vortec4800
From what I've heard the Macbook doesn't really have a heat problem. The MacBook Pro did have a heat problem, but it was just too hot for some people's taste - the system never actually failed. Reapplication of thermal grease fixed it right up. Of course the case still gets warm, it is afterall made of aluminum. I own many Apple products and have never had an issue with any of them. Ever. Dual 2.0Ghz G5, iBook, 30" Cinema Display, G4 Cube, multiple iPods, MacBook Pro. Never an issue. Poor quality my ass. I've also never had a slowdown in OS X on any of my machines, and even the slower G4 machines could keep up with my faster X2 system running XP Pro SP2. I'm also not sure how you can say that the design is old and clunky from the 80's. It's slim and white/black. Looks pretty modern to me...

The dell laptops I've encountered have a plastic case and by the sound of things get just as hot as the mac laptops, there is simply no excuse for this.. If the case is aluminum it should be dissipating heat better than all the laptops combined and should be a lot closer to ambient since it's got a HUGE surface to dissipate heat with..

In my experience with macs which is suprisingly high, I've never used a mac that I 'liked', EVER. OS6, OS7, OS8, OS9, OSX, all have been garbage. Even OS 9 was too slow for me which AGAIN was on a machine it was 'designed for' supposedly.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Vortec4800
Originally posted by: Acanthus
You are essentially paying $300 more for inferior hardware and a different OS.

I dont understand the argument.

OSX is not worth the increased cost.

Well I know many, many people (including some very high-up IT security professionals) that would disagree with you. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the Apple computer is the greatest computer ever to be had, and there are much better machines - but for the price I believe it is one of the best. Do I believe it is better than Dell? Wholeheartedly. OS X is a great operating system, it just takes a little getting used to. I even bought my mom a Mac Mini. She has this uncanny ability to crash any computer you put in front of her. It's been almost a year and the thing has never even froze up on her. She couldn't be happier.

The $300 goes to higher build quality and support, better cosmetic design (IMO), and OS X.

Im not seeing the higher build quality, its the same materials.

Support ill give you hands down. Apple has the best support in the industry.
I find that hard to believe, IBM and the 'former dell' have excellent support (in dell's case, 'used to'), even microsoft has excellent support but thats a different category in a way.. For a person who has dealt with technical support from various companies, I have to say IBM has one of the finest IF NOT the finest.

Companies like consumer reports strongly disagree.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Tu13erhead
Are any of you MacBook owners having heat issues? Or any other issues? Some people have reported their MacBooks locking up due to overheating...

Ours gets warm, but no lockups, and I've had it up and running since we picked it up. If you have any experience with Powerbooks, it is the same level of heat. Seems very similar to the Dell D600/610 line.

How sad...
In my experience with IBM laptops, I absolutely love them and make dell look like garbage, I can easily see how it would make the macs look like crap by the way you describe things and what I've heard.

The laptop should never get hot or even remotely warm, if it does, the cooling system ISN'T doing it's job. On my T42, under full load at full speed, the only thing that is hot is the exhaust heat (ya know, where the heat is blown out from the fan), otherwise everything else on the laptop is about ambient temperature.

Understand that on the Dell E1505 there isn't even fan on most of the time, only under full load does the near silent fan even turn on. Its obviously thermally controlled.

Where did I say it wasn't thermally controlled? The macbook and the dell E1505 I'm sure have thermally controlled fans but that doesn't mean they don't run hotter than they should. On the T42, when the fan is at full speed its 'near silent', and the laptop always stays ambient temperature everywhere else BUT the exhaust, THATS the way it should be.

Yeah thats a great argument.

My omgwtf IBM laptop with a single core cpu runs cooler than newer laptops with dual core, and costs substantially more than both of the laptops in this discussion.

But, ya know, it has an aluminum case. Gotta go with the build quality and that legendary IBM/Lenovo support.

:thumbsdown: :roll:
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: loup garou
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Hmmm, I guess 'jobs let you out early eh?
The best part about this is that I don't even own a single Apple product.

And I'll give you a tip about trolling. It's usually pretty easy to determine who the troll is. Just look for whose posts have derailed the thread directly into the toilet...if you track back, you'll see, it's yours, goku.
 

ActuaryTm

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Are you literally 10 years old? Grow up please. I pointed that stuff out so you'd knock it off, but man you just keep trolling and trolling. :thumbsdown:
A simple reference to this thread would suffice as proper evidence in disproving nearly any argument offered by Philippine Mango.
 
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