New 24-inch Viewsonic VX2435wm is a P-MVA panel

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imported_Imp

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Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: Imp
I was all set to get a 22" WS, but knowing that it's TN, I just can't do it anymore. The 17" I have now is TN and colours wash out, the upper portion of the screen is darker, all cause I go from sitting up straight to a slouch. One whole inch and colours get effed, so until they make a 22 non-TN, screw it. The 24" resolution is too high for my upgrade periods, 20" dot pitch is too small (hate the small font on my 17"). This sucks...

Did i really just hear small text as an excuse for not getting a good LCD?

Let's see:
Adjust DPI
Adjust global fonts settings from Normal to Large or Extra Large
Adjust font size manually in Appearance & Settings > Advanved
Adjust font size in browser
Use a combination of the above (what i do)

But do not let dot pitch turn you away from a good LCD!
Lower is better, not worse

NEC 20GX2 is what you need IMO

Firefox ignores DPI. But you can increase min font size. Then you have to enable "force webpages to use my fonts" to enforce that rule. When you do that, some pages look funky.

Instead all that nightmare, I'll rather have something with ~0.27-0.28mm dot pitch

I've tried changing font sizes for desktop, but the size stepup from what I use is too big. For internet browsing, either the page doesn't use the larger font I tell it to or it's just not compact enough when it does work. I'm using Explorer by the way. I use Firefox at school on Linux systems and hate them. Seems like most sites aren't designed with it, thus texts are too small and colours washout. When changing text size (it works for every page which is nice), things start looking screwy. So when it all goes down, I'm looking for a 'natural' dot pitch that is slightly larger that will be compact and easily legible. Oh, my eyes suck too if you're wondering.

Anyways, been looking at my choices again. I'm somewhat tempted to splurge on a 24". No way I can run games at the native res., but I'm sure it will scale to 16:9 resolutions alright (researching that actually) or scale 1:1. That and for every hour I spend gaming, I probably spend two or three on the desktop at native.
 
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Can someone explain to me the different panels?

I know of only TN, PVA and S-IPS.

S-IPS is supposed to have the best color, but for blacks and stuff I heard PVAs are better. Sure my VP930b is 6-bit + dithering, but it still beats the HELL out of any TN panel.

What's the differences between all 3 panels?

I already know that TN is 6-bit and a POS and very fast, but having used TN panels, I think they blow and anyone who praises them should be shot. It's like praising Celerons >.<
 

Matt2

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Can someone explain to me the different panels?

I know of only TN, PVA and S-IPS.

S-IPS is supposed to have the best color, but for blacks and stuff I heard PVAs are better. Sure my VP930b is 6-bit + dithering, but it still beats the HELL out of any TN panel.

What's the differences between all 3 panels?

I already know that TN is 6-bit and a POS and very fast, but having used TN panels, I think they blow and anyone who praises them should be shot. It's like praising Celerons >.<

Check out xtknight's LCD buyers Guide thread at the very top of the forum, the one that's stickied.

On the first page he goes through the different panel types, their pros and cons.

S-IPS FTW!
 

sigsegv0x0b

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According to viewsonic's own documentation this is a P-MVA panel.

http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VX2435wm.pdf

Scroll down to the last page.

It's a little annoying that north american customers are treated as idiots at large. The PDFs from viewsonic europe actually contain the panel type of all monitors. While the ones on the north american site say useless things like 'Wide Color Panel'

Here are some examples, notice it always says the panel type:
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VX2025wm.pdf MVA
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VX2245wm.pdf TN
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VP2130b.pdf PVA
 

sheltem

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Originally posted by: wizboy11
*Hugs VX2025wm*

Last great (cheap) good Viewsonic Panel IMHO.
P-MVA all the way.

Isn't the 2025w S-IPS? I have the same monitor BTW and it rocks!
 

Deinonych

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Originally posted by: sigsegv0x0b
According to viewsonic's own documentation this is a P-MVA panel.

http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VX2435wm.pdf

Scroll down to the last page.

It's a little annoying that north american customers are treated as idiots at large. The PDFs from viewsonic europe actually contain the panel type of all monitors. While the ones on the north american site say useless things like 'Wide Color Panel'

Here are some examples, notice it always says the panel type:
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VX2025wm.pdf MVA
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VX2245wm.pdf TN
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/data/60/VP2130b.pdf PVA

That's great news. I had written off the VX2435wm because it was supposedly a TN panel. I'll have to reconsider this display now.

 
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No one is pretending that TNs are anywhere close to competing with the other panels in picture quality. As pointed out, many consumers want the largest possible screen in their price range which is what TN offers. Joe Blow doesn't give a ****** about the image quality while reading the news and his wife doesn't know how pictures are supposed to look so they are both happy.

As for me, I'm poor with bad vision so TNs work just fine for me
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Dot pitch is probably the worst thing about these 22" TN panels that fly off the shelves. You're looking at the same number of pixels on a screen two inches bigger than a 20.1". If you've ever seen a 17" 1280x1024 LCD and a 19" 1280x1024 LCD you know about the grainy mess I am talking about.

I guess this is subjective, I would not want this resolution on anything smaller then my 22", personally.

I went with a Belinea 10 20 35w 20" P-MVA LCD which I love(only available in Europe as far as I know),nice colours ,viewing angles,8 bit etc...size is always subjective to how far you actually sit away from your monitor,I tend to sit pretty close so 20" was fine.
If I ever upgrade it'll be a 24" P-MVA quality or above.
 

sigsegv0x0b

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Originally posted by: sheltem
Originally posted by: wizboy11
*Hugs VX2025wm*

Last great (cheap) good Viewsonic Panel IMHO.
P-MVA all the way.

Isn't the 2025w S-IPS? I have the same monitor BTW and it rocks!

I got a VX2025wm and it's a P-MVA. I don't agree with you about it being the last great viewsonic. Sure the vx2035wm is TN panel, but in reality it is a line meant for gaming and the 2035 will serve the gamers better with a fast TN panel. The vx2025wm suffers some visible overshoot. Honestly it doesn't bother me cause I don't notice it most of the time and enjoy the excellent contrast and color of the vx2025wm. But in retrospect I'm fairly certain the 2035 TN panel is more inline with gamers needs.

vx2025wm is an odd model . But it's a goody. It really should have been a base VP or VG series screen not VX .

In retrospect a co-worker bought a vx2435wm and from the first glance it looks great. It's a 24" P-MVA. So vx2025wm is not a last great viewsonic by a long shot .

 

Zstream

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Originally posted by: wizboy11
*Hugs VX2025wm*

Last great (cheap) good Viewsonic Panel IMHO.
P-MVA all the way.

The VX2025wm is a P-MVA panel? lol I did not know that. I own two and love them!
 

skubidoobie

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I have a ViewSonic VX922 and I like it, but looking at going to the VX2435wm because I want a 24" widescreen lcd for the new rig I'm building, partially because of the HDMI inputs and the fact that I'll probably be picking up Radeon HD2900XTX's when available. Not sure if this is the best price/quality 24" out there. I'm a gamer and my monitor has given me no problems, but I did have to RMA my A8N32 SLI Deluxe because it died on me, so had to downgrade from my 7950's in SLI to a 128mb 6800 AGP and old A8V mobo for now, by the time I get my mobo back I'll have my new system built lol. Until then waiting for reviews on the VX2435!!!
 

xboxist

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I have the NEC in my signature. It IS better than anything else in the consumer market that I've had the chance to get my hand on. 8-bit panels are clearly superior to TN. Now check out the following conversation I had with a close friend after I purchased it, who also happened to be in the market for a new LCD:

*he sits down to use it*
Friend: Holy sh!t this is awesome.
Me: Yep. It's simply great.
*boots up a dark FPS to test*
Friend: These blacks are PITCH black... no bleeding.
Me: Yeah, I love it.

(10 minutes later)

Me: So, are you sold?
Friend: Huh? Oh god no. That's just way to pricey for me. I mean, I love it, but I think I'm just going to pick up that $250 LCD from Circuit City.


In summary -- I personally think that your computer monitor is the ONE piece of hardware that you should overspend on, since it will be with you for years and you interact with it 100% of the time you're using your rig. The cost was not hard to justify.

Too bad that most people disagree and are ok with using an inferior product if it saves them some cash, which is why TNs dominate.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: Zebo
The LCD nightmare continues. First they were foist upon us with thier crappy motion blur, poor blacks, input lag etc now they pimp and sell the most garbagy tech availiable and every Joesixpack buys it killing off better techs such as IPS/PVA Killing off superior CRT's wasnt enough I guess.

(and anyone who thinks LCD's have any kind of advantage other than brightness and text over CRTs is ignorant and clueless. go to the large gaming lans where some serious cash is involved like quakecon or someting you wont find one using a LCD, not a one, even the "good" ones let alone a POS TN)

Advantages of LCD besides brightness and text:
Light weight and thin (obviously!!)- my 24" Dell weighs half as much as my old 19" CRT, which I didn't often take to LANs because of its bulk.
Sharper - LCD = discreet pixels. Of course it's not sharper if you're some kind of fool using a non native resolution.
No flicker
No geometric distortion

 

Mem

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(and anyone who thinks LCD's have any kind of advantage other than brightness and text over CRTs is ignorant and clueless. go to the large gaming lans where some serious cash is involved like quakecon or someting you wont find one using a LCD, not a one, even the "good" ones let alone a POS TN)


Sure they have other advantages,how many people actually go to gaming LAN parties?....Percentage is very small compared to the rest of the gamers ,I don't go to gaming LAN parties and if I did I would bring a LCD(not all gaming LAN parties is about winning cash),I game online all the time in games like CS,TFC,DoD etc.... and use a LCD ,you have to get over the fact CRTs are now yesterdays technology,time to move on.

Also LCDs don't lose focus integrity over time like CRTs do(you don't want to know how many CRTs I have had to send back due to poor focus or losing focus integrity over time),I won't mention the other obvious advantages.
 

skubidoobie

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Well reviews are starting to pop up, and it seems it has ghosting issues according to one review. http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/8156/103/ Now it looks like the 24" for me is the BenQ FP241W, has the HDMI input and great reviews from all over. The NEC LCD2470WNX looks like a great 24" LCD, but no HDMI. Not that I really need it, but not like I really need to build a new pc either....
 

Deinonych

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Originally posted by: skubidoobie
Well reviews are starting to pop up, and it seems it has ghosting issues according to one review. http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/8156/103/ Now it looks like the 24" for me is the BenQ FP241W, has the HDMI input and great reviews from all over. The NEC LCD2470WNX looks like a great 24" LCD, but no HDMI. Not that I really need it, but not like I really need to build a new pc either....

Too bad that review was mostly subjective. Maybe he did see some ghosting, but he didn't provide any data to back up his claim. Hopefully more reviews will start popping up with more objective tests using DisplayMate, color calibrators and the like.

 

idiotekniQues

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from what ive been reading on LCD monitors, S-IPS is at the top for color reproduction and accuracy.

S-PVA is pretty darn close to that, and both are fast enough for gaming though not as fast as TN.

TN is fastest but the worst quality.

i think im getting the dell 2407 rev A04 for graduation since a 24" S-IPS is too expensive and the dell is now $569, which i can dig.

with calibration i heard these S-PVA panels are quite accurate, good for everything from photo editing to gaming and movie watching.

i can now have all my photoshop toolbars on one part of the screen and still have a huge area to work on my photos.

 

pcmodem

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Resurrecting an old thread...

This LCD is now at a good discount, $549.99 after a $100 mail-in rebate.




Cheers,
PCM
 

Arkaign

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I have a Dell 24" and a Viewsonic 22" side by side, they're both great monitors. Geeks like to circle-jerk on TNs about how crappy they are, but it's subjective. Most people are thrilled with 22". At least TN finally brought LCD prices into human levels. I sell WHOLE COMPUTERS, good ones, for less than the cost of the average 24" LCD.

Elitism FTL.

Btw, the other display types would sell more if they weren't priced at insane levels. If you have $1k to spend on a PC + monitor, buying a 24" means you'll have a gimped PC compared to getting a 22" + much better system.

BUDGET MATTERS. PERIOD.
 
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