New Abit Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLi nForce 650i

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CptGrey

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This is a quote from Ropey @ overclock.net (Credit to where credit is due!)

"The CPU and most types of memory have an 8 byte data transfer bus. They transfer 8 bytes of data once, twice, or four times per clock tick. However, for efficiency the basic unit of data transfer is a 32 byte "burst" of data around the address of the data the CPU needs. Any CPU reference to memory is rounded up to a complete 32 byte block. This block is transferred in a burst of 4 consecutive 8 byte transfers. Your timing settings effect this transfer, not the Command per clock.

The Command Per Clock sets the Command Rate for the memory controller. At 1T, the controller can issue commands on every clock cycle, if set to 2T the controller can only issue commands only on every other bus cycle. With DDR, the 2T command rate had some poor transferrals since there was little use for the bus interleaving (Dual Channel Mode). Let us say that if you ran at a 2.5 - 3 - 3 latency then the read command would be issued 2 cycles after an bank activate command. This would negate 1T vs 2T correct? Since the issuance was held to 2 cycles there would be no need for a single cycle command rate.

But we have DDR running in Dual Channel Mode and this mode allows for an opening of more than one page in different banks of the same memory device (slots related to dual channel ie. Bank 1 and Bank 3, etc.). So the second bank activate command that follows after the first bank activate command can not be issued since a read command for the first bank has already been scheduled. This is considered a "Bus Contention" and because of it, the next available time slot for the next bank activate command would collide with the second read command for the possibility of a page hit. This would continue until there is a no-op (no operation) return. When there is a no-op return or interval then another bank activate command can be initiated. Because of this issue, dual channel is largely useless, not only is it useless but it can even slow bank activation. This issue follows with DDR2 but one of the reasons for the creation of the DDR2 standard was to eliminate this previously mentioned bus contention. The DDR2 standard created the Posted CAS characteristic, so that there was no need to wait for the Trcd function to be completed. The Posted CAS feature allowed for the Read command to be issued immediately after the bank activate command. But this "Feature" can only be useful with a 1T command rate since a 2T command rate would eliminate the use of this characteristic.

Thus in a DDR2 system, with dual channel bank interleaving enabled there will be a more responsive system. Now there are added latancy issues with DDR2 vs DDR1 so for this benefit to be more effectively seen, one needs very low latency DDR2 DRAM.

When one compares DDR at 3 - 4 - 4 - 8 and DDR2 at 3 - 4 - 4 - 8 (Both Dual channel, bank interleaved) there becomes no doubt that the DDR2 is a far better memory transaction at 1T vs 2T and the difference at the DDR level is far less pronounced.

So, don't expect miracles with DDR and 1T but with (high quality and low timing) DDR2 you can expect a far greater response from 1T vs 2T."

Just remember that if you start getting memory unstability, switch back to 2T.

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CptGrey

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I'm currently running stable at 356 FSB. It also was stable at 360 but I backed it down a hair (1%) to give the board a small bit of head room. I tried 375, which worked fine for an hour of WoW, but didn't pass the 30 min OCCT. At 400 (using 7x) I could POST but would lock-up when I started Windows. At 425 (7x again) it wouldn't even POST. I also want to note that on a friend's MB, the same CPU was stable @ 3.04 GHz.

While I'd like more from my system, I really can't cry that I'm "only" getting ~33% more from my system than I paid for.

Lolper, do you have this board? What's been your experience?

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lolper

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yeah i have this board but i have th E6600 chip. it runs stable at 3.0 ghz not really sure what else i should do im fairly new to overclocking. should i try adjusting bolts?
 

CptGrey

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3.0 is fairly lite O/C'ing for a E6600, but I don't know your setup. If you can handle the heat (CPU & NB), you can try for 3.3. People have hit 4.0+, but that was on water or other active cooling. You can also try to tighten your memory timings and/or raise its speed if you haven't already done that. Again watch for excessive heat.

If you post your system details, I (and other more knowledgaeble than I) can try to give you some hints.

The bottom line is; if you're happy with what you have, enjoy it.

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lolper

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i know it can go more ive seen pics of people running it at 3.7 for 10 hours on orthos i just dont know how to do it?
 

CptGrey

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Lolper,

Sorry, yesterday was a bad work day.

Here are a few places to get info on O/C'ing:

http://forumz.tomshardware.com...-v1-ftopict197995.html

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=28&threadid=1947261

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...rtakes-core-2-extreme/

You can ignore what CPU & MB to buy, you already have them but do check to see if your RAM is up to the task. Again it would help if you could post your system details. I'm going to assume that you have better than stock cooling on your CPU otherwise I wouldn't go much further than what you aready have done. On our MB, make sure you check the temp of the NB. If it gets too hot place a fan on/near it.

Hope this helps. If you have any specific questions, please ask.

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sc00terx

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is it me or have abit taken the info and drivers off there web site for the FP-IN9 SLI hmm

on the .abit-usa.com i can not find the bios or info

but on the .tw i can but the bios 13 is not on there it has 11 12 14


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CptGrey

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Sc00terx,

It's not you. Abit USA is saddly lacking support for this board. Right now going to the UK site is the best way to get info/support.

BIOS 11 - 14 came out as betas and Abit seems to have chosen to only make 11, 12 & 14 as "official" release BIOS. I'm currently running Beta 14 and will check this weekend to see if there is any difference between the beta and official files. Since the compile date is the same, I doubt they'll be one.

Though why they chose to make 12, not 13, official is beyond me.

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CptGrey

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Well the official 14 BIOS seems to work better for me. I'm now stable at 375 MHz FSB, giving my E6420 3.0 GHz or about a 42% O/C.

I tried pushing it further, but I still can't get 400-430 using 7x as I had hoped.

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Heidfirst

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: CptGrey
BIOS 11 - 14 came out as betas and Abit seems to have chosen to only make 11, 12 & 14 as "official" release BIOS. I'm currently running Beta 14 and will check this weekend to see if there is any difference between the beta and official files. Since the compile date is the same, I doubt they'll be one.

Though why they chose to make 12, not 13, official is beyond me.
.</end quote></div>
10, 11, 12, 13 & 14 are all on the global ftp as releases
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/bios/fpin9sli/">ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/bios/fpin9sli/</a>

The abit-USA site is in the process of being replaced by a site at uabit.com but that is not yet complete.
meantime the best site to use is the global abit.com.tw
 

CptGrey

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Heidfirst,

Thanks for the info. I'll keep that site bookmarked.

lolper,

Yep, I've raised Core, MB and VTT. Last night I tried using 402 FSB (7x) on someone's suggestion and past success. No joy for me, even when I raised the NB pretty high.

On a side note, has anyone heard if Abit is working on a V.15 BIOS?

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lolper

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cpt do you thiks i should change my ram to 1t? i have 2 gig pny 4-4-4-12 and 2 gig gskil 5-5-5-15?
 

lolper

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also for soem reason the pny registers in cpuz as 333mhz not the 400 that it really is i dotn get it?
 

brxndxn

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Goddamn it! Why the hell did I buy this board without researching?! This is the first Abit board that truly disgusts me - and I've been a big Abit fanboy ever since they were the first to do software overclocking.

They removed it off their site? WTF. Maybe they're planning on recalling it..

I've built hundreds of computers.. and I've overclocked a LOT of them. I know one thing... this motherboard seems to be inherently unstable.

For example, I can boot at 333mhz bus and run my E4300 at 3ghz, run Orthos for 30 minutes, run 3dmark06, etc.. But, if I restart windows or hit the reset button, it sometimes does not post. However, at 280-300mhz bus, no matter what voltages, it will not post ever. Sometimes after resetting the CMOS with the jumper, the board does not post. Also, in almost any 'unlinked' configuration, my computer is unstable. Even at 2.4ghz, my computer has locked up.

Really, the only time my computer is stable is at stock speeds. This is bullsh1t - especially for Abit.

 

brxndxn

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Originally posted by: lolper
is this thread dead ??????????

I returned mine to Newegg.. The FP-IN9 is officially a piece of sh!t in my book. It makes me like Abit a lot less..

So I replaced it with an Asus with a 680i chipset. Overclocked my E4300 to 2.7ghz no problem.

With the FP-IN9, sometimes at 2.4ghz it would be stable.. sometimes it wouldn't post.. Sometimes it would boot at 2.7ghz.. Sometimes it would forget to initialize the video or hard drive.. It worked at stock most of the time.. but sometimes video wouldn't turn on. It was a horrible board.
 

Heidfirst

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You may have returned it at just the wrong time ...
A couple of people seem to have found some settings that seem to work consistently for ~3.0-3.2GHz on an E4300/FP-IN9.
 
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