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JeffCutter

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Princeman - just beware that while what you are mentioning may be a good deal/bargain - it is not appropriate for this diet. Nature Valey Granola bars are low fat / super high carb. This is just the opposite of what Atkins diet is about.

Originally posted by: Princeman
Good deal! An alternate would be the 32 2-bar pouches of Nature Valley Granola bars (Oats N Honey) that Costco has for about $10. Start to get tired of them however after bar 23....

 

DrJeff

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"Another problem is that the Atkins diet is designed to depleat your body of your glycogen stores. Although it has been said previously that everyone feels great, at least in theory this should limit your ability to do high levels of activity, such as long distance running or intensive weight training. "
I went on a Scout camping weekend last weekend with my boys which included a 5-mile hike Sat. AM, followed by lunch and a 12-mile bike excursion in the afternoon. I went on the trip in ketosis, took my own hi-protein food, and came back in a nice deep ketosis, even splurging on 2 med. sized pancakes, two slices white bread on lunch sandwich, and a dollop of etouffe with rice Sat. pm. I had no problem keeping up with teenagers >20 yrs. younger than me. Can't say it robbed me of any stamina, IMHO.
 

Evilmage

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Well, I read through the first page, but not the rest. Let me add my 2 cents to this.

I've changed the way I've ate about 6 months ago. Notice I didn't say diet. I switched from eating like other average americans, to eating healthy and exercising daily. I take in around 35% protein, 50% carbs, and 15% healthy fats. I've lost 35 pounds in the process. Prior I weighed 250 pounds. Before I started however, I did my research and came across the huge amount of diets there were on the market. I've decided that all had their drawbacks, so I just kept it simple and use my common sense when it comes to eating.

Cut down the junk food, cut out the bad fats, cut out alcohol altogether, lowered my daily calorie intake a little if I'm trying to lose to keep it at a slow steady pace, ate adequate protein to maintain muscle mass, and did cardio to work my heart and lungs. The only thing I learned from the fad diets are moderation of carbs and eating good carbs such as multi-grain, so I didn't go all out carbs like some diets. Moderation is really the key.

Weight loss all comes down calorie intake versus calories needed.

Weight loss doesn't need to be such a difficult concept. To gravitate more to the healthy lifestyle, you eat healthy foods instead of junk food. You exercise instead of watching tv all the time. Weight loss simply means, that you intake less than you need. So instead of eating in 1500 calories at Burger King with a supersized value meal, you go eat a sandwich, a fruit, and a rice krispy treat for 1000 calories. Do that 7 times, you've lost a pound. You exercise daily, assuming you do enough activity to burn 350 calories a day, do that 10 times, you've lost another pound.

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Now lets take care of all this bullcrap arguments that's been going around with these diets

1) If food pyrimid is good for you, why are Americans progressively getting fatter

Well, for one, we sure aren't following the food pyramid. The reason we're getting fatter is because we sit down and watch tv all day, we've slowly migrated to desk and inactive jobs without staying active, and we're slowing adjusting our diet to become more fast food and market hype food. We teach all this to our kids, we get fatter, they get fatter, etc... Its true, you know it, the doctors know it, the studies proves it, quit trying to blame this on the carbs. If anyone understands this is why most of us are bigger than we should be, I didn't waste 20 minutes writing this.

2) Low Carbs is a new way of diet and is for all those whom low fat diets didn't work.

Well... kinda, but not really. If you cut out sugar and starches, which has been noted as bad for a long long time, you're pretty much on a low carb diet. The only real difference I see is that we're pointing out new things that have bad starches and stuff in it, such as refined flour in bread and pasta. Low fat diets were actually working pretty well for *most* people that stuck too it, but then a lot of people regained or failed, since it was a very frustrating way of life. When Atkins came up, it appealed to most people as being easy, and was easy to stick to.

3) Carbs are bad in general

Well, these are for the extremes. Refined carbs such as refined flour is bad for you, true. Sugars are bad for you true. But having a low fiber diet is also. A low carb diet might lead to loss of muscle tissue resulting in a slower metabolism. Moderation and eating "good" carbs, such as whole grains, will do you little harm.

4) Fad diets are high in sat fats, low in fiber, and promotes unhealthy eating.

Well... this is a basic result of people who don't read the entire book or use any common sense. Atkins tells you a bunch of stuff that you should and could eat, red meats such as sausage and bacon just happen to be one of them. Some dieters take that its ok to eat as much as they want of one thing they like, resulting in unhealthy eating by eating bacon 3-5 meals a day. Then those opposed to it point that out and say, bad. Technically, you're supposed to eat a variety and get moderate carb intake later, but who the hell reads that far.


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Well, there's my rant, shoot me down, flame me, whatever, I'm probably not goign to read through this thread again anyways. Just trying to help a few souls. If I repeated anything, I apologize.


Btw, read WASVI's post, it should clear up a lot of misconceptions.

PS - Pretty good deal for pretein bars, just to stay on topic
 

JeffCutter

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It's been just over a month of low carb eating for me... I have lost 12 lbs and two belt notches.

Never felt better.

The peanut bars aren't the best tasting things in the world, but they are a good breakfast with a lot of water. The free giveaway is still going on.
 

Rookie

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the following is my two pennies worth...

I took some time to actually THINK about what I was eating (at 24 y/o, 6'2" 240lbs Combined Cholesterol of 240 and my triglycerides were higher.) I knew something was wrong. I was eating a salad for lunch or some sort of chicken or tuna sandwich (no fat mayo or some sort of no fat dressing.) One sandwich and water for lunch. Celery as a snack (plain.) Dinner would usually be a serving of pasta and the healthiest sauce I could find, or rice with some soy sauce and chicken. Well, I tried that FAITHFULLY for a month. and GAINED 10 pounds.

Fast forward to today...at 214 lbs as of last week, I am looking better than I have in A LONG LONG time. Eating fish, chicken and lean cuts of meat and salad. The difference between my eating and Atkin's is that I eat carbs...just not REFINED carbs. Now I feel better, look better and my cholesterol and triglycerides are back to normal (Cholesterol of 160.) My BP has never been high so that is good.
 

JeffCutter

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Thanks for the lovely mental image.

I don't think anybody would love this flavor, but as I eat them I like them knowing how much better that is for me than some sugared cereal, or (gasp) a doughnut/cinnamin roll.

It's like an investment in my future. Doesn't taste good now, but feels going knowing that I am doing the right thing.

Also, I agree with Rookie. Life isn't about zero carbs. It is about normal eating to satisfaction, not to the point of being full. It is about eating things that haven't been processed beyond belief or loaded with sugar.

Foot and ass. Thats funny.
 

HKS

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Originally posted by: Justincase
>>>JustInCase you are so ignorant all of the time<<<

Yeah, I must be...sorry. I have only been educated on the subject of health and nutrition for the past 30 years, 7-days-a-week. Maybe one day I'll know as much about the subject as you do.


Haha... sorry Justincase, but the only thing I took out of this whole rant is... damn, you're old! If you started studying when you went to college (assume 18 yrs old + 30 >= 48 years...)
 

hapahaole

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By the way, Atkins is one of a number of companies being warned by the FDA for deceptive labeling on low/no-carb snack bars. The actual amount of carbs in the Advantage bars is understated by about 20 grams. Atkins and others call glycerine a "non-impact carb", a term and concept mysteriously not recognized scientifically by either the FDA or the nutritional community.

http://www.fatwatch.net/
 

hapahaole

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http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/ketogen.html

Ketogenic Diets

By Ellen Coleman, RD, MA, MPH

Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long as they severely restrict carbohydrates?

No, they cannot. The basis of ketogenic diets, such as the Atkins Diet, is a severe restriction of carbohydrate calories, which simply causes a net reduction in total calories. Since carbohydrate calories are limited, intake of fat usually increases. This high fat diet causes ketosis (increased blood ketones from fat breakdown) which suppresses hunger, and thus contributes to caloric restriction.

Low carbohydrate diets are also characterized by initial rapid weight loss, primarily due to excessive water loss. A decreased carbohydrate intake causes liver and muscle glycogen depletion, which causes a large loss of water, since about three parts of water are stored with one part of glycogen. Also, restricting carbohydrate intake reduces the kidney's ability to concentrate urine, leading to an increased excretion of sodium. All these factors combine to cause a powerful but temporary diuresis.

Dieters cherish this rapid initial weight loss and assume it represents fat loss. Actually, their body fat stores are virtually untouched. And, as the body adjusts for the water deficit, the weight loss slows or ceases. The dieter often becomes frustrated and abandons the diet. Individuals who do stick with it may lose weight due to the caloric restriction mentioned above.

A ketogenic diet may or may not have side effects, depending on the individual person. It is certainly riskier for overweight individuals with medical problems such as heart disease, hypertension, kidney disease, and diabetes than it is for overweight people with no health problems. Complications associated with low carbohydrate, high protein diets include ketosis, dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium depletion, weakness (due to inadequate dietary carbohydrate), nausea (due to ketosis), and possibly kidney problems. Vitamin and mineral deficiencies are other problems in such unbalanced crash diet regimens. Even Dr. Atkins, the author of both old and new versions of Diet Revolution, admits that his diet doesn't supply enough vitamin and minerals and recommends that people take supplements.

Gout is another potential side effect, since the uric acid in the blood increases as the uric acid competes with ketones for excretion. This higher blood uric acid level can also increase the risk of kidney failure. Dr. Atkins does warn that people with kidney problems shouldn't follow his diet, but he doesn't mention that the diet might produce these disorders.

In the book The Ketogenic Diet, the author Lyle McDonald notes that the production of ketones from alcohol tends to result in less fat loss, since less free fatty acids are converted to ketones. He also indicates that there is no reason that small amounts of alcohol cannot be consumed during a ketogenic diet, although alcohol consumption slows fat loss. He cautions that alcohol may have a greater effect (in terms of intoxication) when someone is in ketosis.

Lastly, the risk of coronary heart disease may be higher in susceptible persons who stay on the diet a long time, due to increased consumption of foods high in saturated fat and cholesterol.

In conclusion, ketogenic diets such as Atkins' program are no more successful than those weight loss programs recommended by the scientific/medical community. They are more dangerous than other fad weight regimens due to its high fat content. Persons who choose to follow ketogenic diets should check with their physician periodically as the diet can cause electrolyte depletion and increased blood lipids. They should have periodic blood tests to measure total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, and triglycerides.




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JeffCutter

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I had a whole long paragraph written about my experiences and results, but my IE5.0 just died on me and I lost it, so just PM me if you want to hear about how Atkins has worked for me. Needless to say, I recommend it.

I have cut sugar out of my life completely, and I love the Atkins Reesees' style pnut butter cups to satisfy my sweet tooth. If you are going to order things like that anyway (and I am) might as well do it when they have a promition going on.

Also, here is an article about FAT and eggs that is worth reading.
From the Star Tribune / NY Times

 
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