New build for photography

wakkoguy

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My wife is a photographer and I'm looking to build a new system for her. My budget is around $750

Here is what I need:
- 8gb of ram
- Case (not that important)
- Mobo
- SSD (would this help with photoshop?)
- I'm currently running two 1tb WD Black Caviars, should I keep or get something else
- CPU
- Graphics card (for Photoshop and my gaming)
- PSU
- CPU Cooler

I have win 7 64 bit, screen, keyboard, mouse, etc. and will get a basic dvd burner and memory card ready.

Any help is much appreciated!
 

Ayah

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You definitely should try to get an SSD if you can, I hear they make awesome photoshop scratch disks, but might not be feasible with a 750$ budget.

Definitely try to get an i5 750. Don't get a dual-core. Photochop adores real quad cores.
1TB Blacks are still drives to be reckoned with, save your money and don't replace them.
 

robertk2012

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Ssd for sure. Do you use lightroom at all? The difference is amazing!

I the the vertexs were a little better for Photoshop bit you can go wrong with an intel either.
 

wiretap

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Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115215

Mobo - GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 (USB 3.0, SATA 3.0)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128412

Memory - 2x G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231189

SSD Scratch Disk - OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX30GXXX 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227393

and.... that almost puts him at $700. lol..
 

robertk2012

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Here is my recomendation.

OCZ Agility 60 - 180
Used p45 or such MB in the forums $50
Used Q6600 140
8 GB DDR2 140-160
Used 8800/9800 70

Thats around 580 or so. Lets say 600. That leaves 100 for a Case, PSU, and cooler.
 

wakkoguy

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Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115215

Mobo - GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 (USB 3.0, SATA 3.0)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128412

Memory - 2x G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231189

SSD Scratch Disk - OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX30GXXX 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227393

and.... that almost puts him at $700. lol..

lol, not what I was expecting.
1. Is 30GB enough to run win 7, photoshop, picasa, adobe bridge, firefox (my most used apps) with the recommended 20% free?

2. Love the MOBO! I noticed some limitations for gaming (SLI) is it worth it to update it to a SLI capable motherboard?

3. Let's up the amount to $1000 and get a graphics card (currently running a 8800GT), 8GB RAM and a PSU.

4. Will the stock CPU cooler be enough or should I get something better?

Thanks for all your help everyone!
 

Decembermouse

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1. Nah, I'd get a bigger HDD...

2. Not really worth it. If this build is for Photoshop, don't bother with SLI boards... too expensive and not really any performance gain for that kind of thing. And it depends on the game too.

3. If you're spending $5000 get a Radeon 5770, not an old GeForce rebranded card. No point in getting 8GB of RAM really, honestly.

4. The stock CPU cooler should be fine.
 

elconejito

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I don't think you can just throw a blanket "SSD rules for Photoshop!" over the whole thing. The SSD will only help when reading/writing to the hard drive. If your wife's workflow involves a lot of disk access (like running batches, really massive files files, etc) then an SSD will help. If you have a more "normal" workflow like open a few images, work on them, save them, open up a few more than an SSD will be of very little value.

Otherwise, investing in more RAM or CPU will be a better way to spend the money.

If I were in your shoes I'd use the 2 WD Blacks, one as your OS/apps drive and the other for storage. Load up with RAM and get the i5 750 or i7 860 for a little more. Assuming your using Photoshop CS4... CS4 loves cores/threads and CS5 will be out soon which should only continue that trend.

You could build it without the SSD for now and if for some reason you feel like you need it you can always add it later as your OS drive. Not much point in using it as a scratch drive unless you routinely use all of your available RAM.
 

wakkoguy

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wakkoguy

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I don't think you can just throw a blanket "SSD rules for Photoshop!" over the whole thing. The SSD will only help when reading/writing to the hard drive. If your wife's workflow involves a lot of disk access (like running batches, really massive files files, etc) then an SSD will help. If you have a more "normal" workflow like open a few images, work on them, save them, open up a few more than an SSD will be of very little value.

Otherwise, investing in more RAM or CPU will be a better way to spend the money.

If I were in your shoes I'd use the 2 WD Blacks, one as your OS/apps drive and the other for storage. Load up with RAM and get the i5 750 or i7 860 for a little more. Assuming your using Photoshop CS4... CS4 loves cores/threads and CS5 will be out soon which should only continue that trend.

You could build it without the SSD for now and if for some reason you feel like you need it you can always add it later as your OS drive. Not much point in using it as a scratch drive unless you routinely use all of your available RAM.

Currently I am running a Q6600 with 4gb ddr2 1066 ram. I use my drives just like you say apps/storage. However, I am using CS3 (when does CS5 come out?). My hard drive bogs down b/c I have Chrome, Picasa, Bridge and photoshop open. The main time it really bogs down is when I run actions and have a folder of pics open (around 20-30) in Photoshop.

So, b/c my bottleneck is my hard drive wouldn't it be better to try and go with an SSD first?
 

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Currently I am running a Q6600 with 4gb ddr2 1066 ram. I use my drives just like you say apps/storage. However, I am using CS3 (when does CS5 come out?). My hard drive bogs down b/c I have Chrome, Picasa, Bridge and photoshop open. The main time it really bogs down is when I run actions and have a folder of pics open (around 20-30) in Photoshop.

So, b/c my bottleneck is my hard drive wouldn't it be better to try and go with an SSD first?
OH. CS3 is Ghz friendly, not core friendly. Meaning, for CS3 you want higher Ghz rather than more cores. You'd get better performance out of a dual-core e8400 running at 3Ghz than you will that q6600 running at 2.4Ghz.

So if you are sticking with CS3 for the time being, I'd just overclock that Q6600 to over 3Ghz (if you can) and that will make a world of difference. If you upgrade to CS4, it will automatically just be quicker without you doing anything since it makes way better use of multiple cores/threads. I assume CS5 will be the same improvement.

CS5 "should" be out this year. They've been launching a new version every 18-24 months, so that puts them in 1H 2010. There is a site called cs5.org which I have no idea if its legit, but they've been posting previews/news up there for a few months now that certainly seem like they're real.

A few questions...

When you run these actions, do you run them from the folder or on images currently open. If you open up the files, run the action and it takes a while.... then you're CPU and maybe RAM limited. If you've set the action to run through a folder processing a bunch of files (i mean bunch like 100+) then hard drive may be your limit. The only headache would be you'd have to move the files you're working on to the SSD and then move them back to storage when you're done (since the SSDs are so small).

Is it only slow when you have all four programs open? What if you just run the actions with only PS open... is it any different? If it is, then clearly you just need more RAM.

When you've got all 20-30 images open what is the scratch size? If you've never looked it up, in the lower left corner of a document window click on the fly-out menu and choose scratch sizes (not document size). This gives you how much RAM memory you have available, and how much you're using. If you go over the amount of RAM available then you hit the hard drive as a scratch which is *painfully* slow. The easy (and cheap) solution is to add more RAM.

How big are these files, and what format are they typically in?
 

wakkoguy

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OH. CS3 is Ghz friendly, not core friendly. Meaning, for CS3 you want higher Ghz rather than more cores. You'd get better performance out of a dual-core e8400 running at 3Ghz than you will that q6600 running at 2.4Ghz.

So if you are sticking with CS3 for the time being, I'd just overclock that Q6600 to over 3Ghz (if you can) and that will make a world of difference. If you upgrade to CS4, it will automatically just be quicker without you doing anything since it makes way better use of multiple cores/threads. I assume CS5 will be the same improvement.

CS5 "should" be out this year. They've been launching a new version every 18-24 months, so that puts them in 1H 2010. There is a site called cs5.org which I have no idea if its legit, but they've been posting previews/news up there for a few months now that certainly seem like they're real.

A few questions...

When you run these actions, do you run them from the folder or on images currently open. If you open up the files, run the action and it takes a while.... then you're CPU and maybe RAM limited. If you've set the action to run through a folder processing a bunch of files (i mean bunch like 100+) then hard drive may be your limit. The only headache would be you'd have to move the files you're working on to the SSD and then move them back to storage when you're done (since the SSDs are so small).

Is it only slow when you have all four programs open? What if you just run the actions with only PS open... is it any different? If it is, then clearly you just need more RAM.

When you've got all 20-30 images open what is the scratch size? If you've never looked it up, in the lower left corner of a document window click on the fly-out menu and choose scratch sizes (not document size). This gives you how much RAM memory you have available, and how much you're using. If you go over the amount of RAM available then you hit the hard drive as a scratch which is *painfully* slow. The easy (and cheap) solution is to add more RAM.

How big are these files, and what format are they typically in?

I have recently been trying to run actions w/o picasa open and that has made a great difference. I have also stopped having so many pics open and go with around 3 and that has helped as well. My RAM is not the issue, the scratch size is well below my RAM total. I run the actions on open pictures and not on RAM.

However, I didn't realize that CS3 was not core friendly, so maybe I'll just save up and build a new one when CS5 comes out. Therefore, you are saying that an SSD will not help my current workflow correct?
 

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Just to be clear, your aren't comparing your scratch size to the 4GB total RAM right? You're just comparing the left number to the right number in photoshop? As long as the number on the left is SMALLER than the number on the right then RAM is not a problem. If the number on the left is the same or bigger than the number on the right while you are working, then RAM is your best solution.

If you run the actions on photos that are already open, than an SSD will not help in the slightest, since at that point the images are already in RAM.

You've got a couple of options here, I think...

#1 - Continue with your first choice to build a new computer. An i5 or i7 will be better in CS3 since they have higher clocks off the bat, the newer designs are better/more efficient overall ghz-to-ghz, and the turbo mode is a huge boost that kicks in automatically. When you eventually upgrade to CS4, CS5, CS6 you'll be set already with a multi-core CPU. Load it up with 4 or 8GB of RAM (since 4GB doesn't seem to be a bottleneck for you right now). Use the 1TB drives you already have in the 2 drive setup and skip the SSD until prices drop or capacities go up.

#2 - just upgrade to CS4 (or wait for CS5 when it comes out) and the system you already have will be a few ticks faster because of the better multi-core support.

#3 - if you can find a newer but inexpensive S775 quad like a Q9550 or similar that will help. For example, the Q9550 at Microcenter was $170 (not sure if it still is), or find one on the used FS/FT forum. This will give you a few extra ghz and the newer chips (Q9XX series) are a little faster clock for clock. Don't do this if you can't find one cheap.

#4 - if your system is overclockable you should be able to easily get that Q6600 over 3Ghz and that will make a BIG difference.
 
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