New Build, Won't Post

[Trekeritus]

Hi All
I got a barebones kit for my cousin. The specs are:
AMD FX-4130 CPU
Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 mATX MB
4GB DDR3 1600 Patriot Viper Xtreme Memory
TT V2 Plus USB 3.0 case

I put it together, connected the wiring, and pushed the power button. The
power light came on, the CPU fan started and nothing. I checked everything again and tried the power button. The fan started, but no post. However I waited about 30secs, and it started beeping. It beeped continuously with long beeps. According to Gigabyte this means no video card present, but this motherboard has built in graphics which I was going to use. I never had mb with integrated graphics before so maybe I need to do something else. Please advise!

 

[Virgorising]

Hi All
I got a barebones kit for my cousin. The specs are:
AMD FX-4130 CPU
Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 mATX MB
4GB DDR3 1600 Patriot Viper Xtreme Memory
TT V2 Plus USB 3.0 case

I put it together, connected the wiring, and pushed the power button. The
power light came on, the CPU fan started and nothing. I checked everything again and tried the power button. The fan started, but no post. However I waited about 30secs, and it started beeping. It beeped continuously with long beeps. According to Gigabyte this means no video card present, but this motherboard has built in graphics which I was going to use. I never had mb with integrated graphics before so maybe I need to do something else. Please advise!

Hi,

Yes, yr board has integrated graphics, but methinks yr CHIP does NOT.

Same as my reality with my i7 870 and my intel board.

Put a nice, modest GPU in that puppy.

U R a very good cousin.

 

[Ketchup]

The board needs the F3 BIOS to support the CPU you have in there. It could possibly be causing some issues.

The best way to know for sure would be to put a real video card on it and see how it reacts.

 

[Virgorising]

YO:

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-4130.html

Scroll down...."Integrated graphics, NONE."

Integrated peripherals / components

Integrated graphics None

Memory controller

• The number of controllers: 1
  Memory channels: 2
  Supported memory: DDR3-1866

 

[Ketchup]

CPU? no. Motherboard? YES!

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4305#ov

 

[Trekeritus]

Thanks for the replies. I'll get a cheap video card and update the BIOS.

 

[Virgorising]

Thanks for the replies. I'll get a cheap video card and update the BIOS.

:thumbsup: Nuthin but net. (Unlike LeBron et.al.:whiste))

Bios may be moot, but always right to have the latest. Check the connectivity of a new card before U choose it re compatibility with yr cousin's screen. Makes things easier when we anticipate!

 

[Virgorising]

Thanks for the replies. I'll get a cheap video card and update the BIOS.

Yes, post #2.

 

[Torn Mind]

That is odd, since no AM3/AM3+ processor has an integrated graphic processor on the CPU chip itself.

I don't think if you can update the BIOS without a compatible chip. You might need to get a cheap Sempron 145 to do the BIOS update.

 

[Virgorising]

That is odd, since no AM3/AM3+ processor has an integrated graphic processor on the CPU chip itself.

I am now confused...what's odd? Above was nailed from The Get. When he installs the GPU everything will function, right? If he needs bios update he will find out cause he will have visuals, yes?

 

[Torn Mind]

I am now confused...what's odd? Above was nailed from The Get. When he installs the GPU everything will function, right? If he needs bios update he will find out cause he will have visuals, yes?

The IGP should be functioning. That it is not displaying anything on the screen nor passing the POST either indicates it is not functioning or something else isn't functioning (CPU) even if the code is supposed mean video card not installed.

The whole point of an IGP is so that the user does not have to buy a video card. Even Gigabyte tech support suggested to a Newegg reviewer to test the board by inserting one stick of RAM and use the onboard graphics to diagnose if the board is really dead.

 

[Virgorising]

The IGP should be functioning. That it is not either indicates it is not functioning or something else isn't functioning (CPU) even if the code is supposed mean video card not installed.

The whole point of an IGP is so that the user does not have to buy a video card. Even Gigabyte tech support suggested to a Newegg reviewer to test the board by inserting one stick of RAM and use the onboard graphics to diagnose if the board is really dead.

Well, as in the system I am on right now, my board can support a chip with integrated video....but my Lynnfield i7 just doesn't have it.

The OP, being an uber cousin, built a modest bare bones rig for his cousin. The board and chip are what he has. He was not aware the chip had no integrated video was all......as the crow flies solution as per post #2. Spend another $20 and install the card, up and running!

 

[Torn Mind]

Well, as in the system I am on right now, my board can support a chip with integrated video....but my Lynnfield i7 just doesn't have it.

The OP, being an uber cousin, built a modest bare bones rig for his cousin. The board and chip are what he has. He was not aware the chip had no integrated video was all......as the crow flies solution as per post #2. Spend another $20 and install the card, up and running!

Yes, the word support is what you don't understand. It is there so the implicit "has" very that is behind many specs is not meant in this case. The board itself has no integrated graphics processor, but it has the circuitry to output images from chips that that do contain an IGP. Hence the word support instead of merely "Intel HD Graphics".

In the case of his board, did you see the ATI HD 3000 in the spec sheet. Did you? Surely you should have know that that was an actual graphics unit on the board itself and NOT something on the CPU. You should have known that no AM3/AM3+ CPU has an IGP on the CPU die. The IGP is either included on the board or not included on the board with dealing with AM3/AM3+ systems.

Have you ever used a Core 2 Duo or Pentium 4 era chip? Because a the majority of those systems have CPUs with no IGP on the chip itself but they still had "integrated graphics" because the graphics processor was on the northbridge chip.

The first series of Core i-series of chips did away with the onboard northbridge and either moved some or all of its functions onto the CPU chip(s) themselves. One of the functions the northbridge handled was managing the IGP; Intel did not include IGPs in many of the chips. However, the northbridge also performed the function of memory controller, and all first-gen Core i chips have an integrated memory controller. Your Lynnfield was one of those chips that did not have an IGP on the chip itself. That is why you cannot use integrated graphics.

The OP's board, on the hand, specifically stated that it has onboard (northbridge) graphics. Like all boards from the era of a separate, unintegrated northbridge, the graphics processor is on the motherboard, and the northbridge interacts with the CPU. A properly functioning CPU will complete POST properly and display an image through the integrated graphics.

 

[Smoove910]

Will be interesting to see the outcome of buying a separate video card to plug in, since you need to get into the BIOS to turn the IGP off... unless it reverts to the videocard, but that'll be a 1st that I've seen. Agree with Ketchup above where it needs the F3 BIOS. I'd prolly buy a Sempron chip and throw in there so you can update the BIOS, then go from there if problems still persist.

Lastly, are you sure your RAM is on the QVL??
http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-78lmt-usb3.pdf

This posting is interesting:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers...-screen-fans-spin-beeps-sempron-cpu-vari.html


Don't feel bad, you aren't the only one with issues with that mobo:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1965534/78lmt-usb3-boot-4350.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/384881-31-second-motherboard-post-next

 

[Virgorising]

Yes, the word support is what you don't understand. It is there so the implicit "has" very that is behind many specs is not meant in this case. The board itself has no integrated graphics processor, but it has the circuitry to output images from chips that that do contain an IGP. Hence the word support instead of merely "Intel HD Graphics".

No, that is entirely clear.

But, it's always WHY a system does not past POST. The OP understood the specific beepcodes he was hearing "said"...indicated specifically, if you insert a GPU, this system can post normally, yes?

I assume, if I pulled MY AMD card, and powered on.... I would experience the same chronology of events.
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Edit: trying to get clear on all this....his chip can not "find' graphics support on boot, and so, system gives the spcific beep does it does. Is what U R saying, if he had the bios update, this individual chip would able to utilize his board's IGP and the system would POST without a dedicated card?
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Late edit for clarity: the reason I immeidately concluded what I did in post #2....was, again, while my current board/chipset....and CPU are clearly not the same as the OP's....to me the situation was the same: I am positive, if I removed my GPU and tired to boot, this system would not POST, and I would also get beep codes asking me to install a GPU.

Never tried it....only would if my card went South, or, if I killed and hadda replace this board. But I stopped vacuuming inside desktops with the system live after I killed one of my boards doing that. No more board killing for me.

But I will bet what I said I will bet. If an original owner of this system asked it be shipped with one of the several, slower than mine, forget no Turboboost CPUs with onboard graphics offered.....those people would not have needed a discreet GPU.

 

[Torn Mind]

The IGP is enabled in the BIOS by default according to the manual. Hence, it cannot be the case that it is not being detected. A CMOS reset would reset it to the default value if it wasn't set properly.

Also, your CPU chip does not have silicon dedicated to graphics nor does the chipset(northbridge and southbridge). ONLY certain Clarkdale chips had IGPs; those IGPs were contained on a separate die on the CPU(silicon dedicated to processing graphics). Nehalem i7s do not have them on the chip and the northbridge was also done away with during that generation of chips.

He on the other hand, has silicon dedicated to graphics in the chipset. It called ATI HD 3000 graphics.

Also, while some mobos would fail to POST if GPU isn't there, others can still run headlessly, and the only way to test is by trying to connect to it remotely with ssh, RDP, etc.

 

[Ketchup]

The IGP is enabled in the BIOS by default according to the manual. Hence, it cannot be the case that it is not being detected. A CMOS reset would reset it to the default value if it weren't set properly.

Also, your CPU chip does not have silicon dedicated to graphics nor does the chipset(northbridge and southbridge). ONLY certain i3s had IGPs. Nehalem i7s do not have them on the chip and the northbridge was also done away with during that generation of chips.



He on the other hand, has silicon dedicated to graphics in the chipset. It called ATI HD 3000 graphics.

That was a good explanation Torn Mind.

 

[Virgorising]

That was a good explanation Torn Mind.

It was indeed! and, as usual I delved.....and, I now get, the OP's board has onboard graphics, and so, even tho his chip does not, this kit I saw on Tiger Direct should work normally once put together. So, not for the first time, Ketchup nailed the bios issue, it seems is key in this.

But, I still would assume, if he threw in a low end GPU and the system booted normally, he could then get the bios update, no? And, if so, then actually remove the GPU and finally have the system work normally without it.

 

[Trekeritus]

Hi, I finally got the computer to post. The manual was wrong about the beep code. It turns out it was a memory error. I used a different stick of RAM, and it booted right up.

 

[Ketchup]

Hi, I finally got the computer to post. The manual was wrong about the beep code. It turns out it was a memory error. I used a different stick of RAM, and it booted right up.

Glad it's working, and thanks for letting us know.