Question New Build

[Altamira]

Hi everyone,

Im going to build a new system after some years. My current is:

- Intel i5 2500 3.30Ghz-3.60Ghz (Sandy Bridge)
- 8Gb RAM
- Gtx 1050ti 4Gb DDR5
- Dont have the reference of the motherboard at hand right now but its was bought at the same time as the CPU.

Im able to go to around 1000 Euros (around 1200 Dollars i suppose. Obviously the more i can save the better
Im using a 1080p monitor (actually a pretty good one from Dell)
Mainly for gaming. Sometimes it serves as a work pc and to watch movies but i suppose these are not so demanding tasks.
I would like good performance/tech features (ray tracing,etc...) at 1080p gaming, as maxed as possible, since i dont regularly do upgrades.
Can you help me with this build (CPU+GPU+Motherboard+RAM)? I though about the new AMD 5600x, but it seems is sold out everywere here in Europe and actually all over the world, the Gtx 3060 (still can find some if im fast). ABout the motherboard i suppose i dont need anything fancy, a solid one (im used to gigabyte MB). I will not do any overclock.

Thank you

PS: Lately i´ve been thinking about 1440p or 4K monitor. Whats your opinion? SHould this build have that in mind in case i opt for other resolution? i suppose its very demanding on hardware? I also have a ps4 pro.

 

[MalVeauX]

Heya,

Well, if you want to max out games at your 1080p or even 1440p resolutions with latest frills, the best GPU you can get will be more important than a total overhaul to your system. You'll get more performance from a new GPU than anything else in your games if you're cranking up all the bells & whistles (high amounts of AA, ray tracing, highest texture quality, etc). You likely don't even need to get a new PC all together for this, maybe just make sure your current system is on a fast SSD and double your RAM to 16Gb and then just get a much better GPU (you've got a few generations of GPU to upgrade to already making substantial upgrades).

However, if you're still bent on getting a new PC, as you saw, right now is a tough time to build simply due to limited stock. Also, a whole new build with severely limit how much GPU you can get if you think about it. A new build with a new motherboard, CPU, RAM, etc, likely a new SSD/NVMeM2 to compliment, potentially a new 1440p or 4K monitor, etc, and that's not even including the new GPU yet and the GPU will easily be the single most expensive component.

If you care to get into 1440p or 4K, you'll need a new monitor that is good (targeting something 120hz, 1ms or less, etc, preferably a nice IPS or similar quality LED monitor, in the 28~34" range). Otherwise, why bother right? The whole purpose of increasing resolution and decreasing pixel size is to reduce jagged lines and how small detail can be before its reduced to a single pixel and looks "pixelated." Large amounts of AA help mask this, but ultimately can't fix the distant detail being pixel sized part. So going 4K helps if this is the stuff that bugs you or if you want to benefit from the massive texture packages that the latest games are packing. Then you'll need of course a beefy GPU to render this with copious VRAM onboard (6~8Gb minimum). Not sure you can get into a monitor and GPU without spending your whole budget, leaving your PC untouched otherwise.

Where can you buy from that you plan on using to get an idea of availability and prices?

And are you willing to wait a few months? Or is this needing to happen ASAP?

Very best,

 

[Altamira]

thank you. Right now i do not intend to invest in a 1440p or 4 K monitor. Like you said that would consume all the budget right away. Just thinking about it. Right now i have an DELL Ultrasharp 1080p with IPS panel.
I like to play mostly RPG/action RPG and strategy games. I confess im pretty hyped for Cyberpunk. Maybe the last game that made think about an upgrade was i believe Elder Scrolls Oblivion. Obviously i always take advantage for other games not only big AAA.
Well right now i´ve been using these two websites: https://www.gputracker.eu/ (this is an European Oline Shops price Tracker) and then one from my country https://www.kuantokusta.pt/ (this is a prices tracker from various hardware shops in my country).
Well im pretty hyped to do the upgrade now, eventually one month.

 

[MalVeauX]

thank you. Right now i do not intend to invest in a 1440p or 4 K monitor. Like you said that would consume all the budget right away. Just thinking about it. Right now i have an DELL Ultrasharp 1080p with IPS panel.
I like to play mostly RPG/action RPG and strategy games. I confess im pretty hyped for Cyberpunk. Maybe the last game that made think about an upgrade was i believe Elder Scrolls Oblivion. Obviously i always take advantage for other games not only big AAA.
Well right now i´ve been using these two websites: https://www.gputracker.eu/ (this is an European Oline Shops price Tracker) and then one from my country https://www.kuantokusta.pt/ (this is a prices tracker from various hardware shops in my country).
Well im pretty hyped to do the upgrade now, eventually one month.

Here's some GPU's on that list that are still solid but more budget oriented to allow for a new system to be built with it (from your links):

nVidia GTX 1600 Super (211E)
nVidia RTX 2060 (298E)
nVidia RTX 3060 Ti (360E)

It gets crazy after that for cost. These will play all your 1080p games easily, including Cyberpunk. Granted, Cyberpunk will also stress your total system, so having a new core system will help but not nearly as much as simply having a good GPU. The 2060/3060 above would be your ideal targets for cost right now based on prices where you are.

You could then look into a B550 or X570 based AM4 board with a Ryzen 3600x and 16Gb DDR4 3200~3600Mhz 16CL memory and you're set, with a SSD (NVMeM2) that will consume the rest of the budget. Looks like the 3600x is about 215E on that site you linked, and the 5600x is 354E and an appropriate motherboard like a B550 based MSI is about 130E and some Gskill Ripjaws DDR4 3200Mhz CL16 (16Gb) ram is 70E.

So it looks possible, if things are in stock, to do a B550, 16Gb of good memory, 3600x CPU and a RTX2060 for your budget of 1k E. Use remainder to get internal NVMeM2 SSD and/or push for 5600x CPU at 1.2k E.

Very best,

 

[Altamira]

believe it or not it seems AMD ryzen 5600x (for 379 Euros) is available again in some shops. Is it worth it against the 3600x (250 Euros), 3700x (300 Euros), 10600K (246 Euros) or even 10700K (376 Euros)?

 

[papapapapapapapababy]

believe it or not it seems AMD ryzen 5600x (for 379 Euros) is available again in some shops. Is it worth it against the 3600x (250 Euros), 3700x (300 Euros), 10600K (246 Euros) or even 10700K (376 Euros)?

its an awesome cpu. but not for a budget build imo. regarding gpu the smart move is imo to wait for amd & nvidia midrange gpus in 2021, preferably something that does not require a nuclear power plant to run * i have several mosters psu and still cant stomach this modern trend of 250/ 300& 450 w gpus

 

[MalVeauX]

believe it or not it seems AMD ryzen 5600x (for 379 Euros) is available again in some shops. Is it worth it against the 3600x (250 Euros), 3700x (300 Euros), 10600K (246 Euros) or even 10700K (376 Euros)?

At cost, I don't think the 5600x is worth 51% more money than a 3600x. Sure the 5600x is better by like 19% in some cases (single threaded cases), but they're neck and neck in multi-threaded use. So while the 5600x is technically going to be better in games by a little bit, you're talking a 51% increase in cost. So to my mind, no, not worth it at that price (that's over-priced for the 5600x).

You can always get the 3600x now and wait for prices to settle then get a 5600x later on and sell the 3600x and put that towards a new GPU or something.

Very best,

 

[Altamira]

isnt a 3060Ti a mid range GPU? or are you refering to the upcoming 3050? Then there is also the amd 6700 coming next year.
Well the problem is right now im very limited with the 1050 i have And 8Gb starts to struggle a bit specially when multitasking. Sometimes my pc frozes.

 

[papapapapapapapababy]

isnt a 3060Ti a mid range GPU? or are you refering to the upcoming 3050? Then there is also the amd 6700 coming next year.
Well the problem is right now im very limited with the 1050 i have And 8Gb starts to struggle a bit specially when multitasking. Sometimes my pc frozes.

a 400$ gpu that uses ( in some cases) 250W is not a mid range gpu in my book... amd will have a worthy gpu next year im sure. i would consider to use a slimer custom os in order to bump up the performance, you shoud not have problems with that pc

 

[Altamira]

i was able to secure a rtx 3070 for around 450 Euros (sorry is 500 Euros). Do you believe it was a reasonable price? I will probable esteem it for the next years (who knows invest in a 1440p or a 4K monitor).
Then i can go MSI B550 Pro-A Pro (135,00 EUros) or Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite (147 Euros), Ryzen 3600 (219 Euros) and finally
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 PC4-25600 16GB 2X8GB CL16 (70 Euros). What you think?

 

[MalVeauX]

Sounds like a solid gaming system. :thumbsup:

Very best,

 

[Altamira]

thank you. Should i even stop and think about this: intel 10600 (225 Euros) vs amd 3600 (220 Euros). Wich way to go?
In any case i suppose my Seasonic Focus Gold 650W PSU will be enough for all of these GPU+CPU choices(?)

PS: A curiosity. My current motherboard is an Old 1155 Gigabyte GA-PH67-UD3. Could it work with the 3070 GPU? Probably severely bottleneck or not?
If it works maybe i can wait for next year AMD 5600x price drops or news from intel CPU side? But in the mean time get some boost on game performance?

 

[Shmee]

It would most likely work...sorta. You would be quite bottlenecked with a non OCed sandy bridge, especially with only 8GB of RAM. Worse still without the hyperthreading of the i7. That said, it would not hurt to try it, to see if it helps in games until you can get a 5600X. If you still cannot wait, you can always upgrade your rig after trying the 3070 with existing motherboard, CPU and RAM.

 

[Altamira]

tomorrow i will get the 3070, will try it with my current system. In the mean time i´ve been thinking... Seems next year the Intel Rocket Lake 11th gen are coming in the 1st quarter of 2021(!?). Correct me if im wrong but they dont seem a great leap comparing to the actual intel 10th gen Comet Lake? None the less we have the new AMD 5000 series CPU´s. Do you guys think the 1st quarter of 2021 would be a good time for the CPU upgrade (meaning i wait a bit more) and then i see how the prices of the new AMD CPU´s settle and if intel brings somehting of worth to the equation? I suppose waiting for the intel alder lake is really too far away (?) (maybe end 2021/2022?) Also seems AMD is going to settle for the 5000 series CPU next year right?