New card for 1440x900

severus

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Planning a revamping of my current system.

I am going to be getting
i5 2500k
4 gigs ram
new motherboard

There aren't many 1440x900 benchmarks out there, so I'm wondering what would be the best card for my $. I don't want to spend more than $200 on a graphics card. Gaming is NOT my primary use for the computer, HOWEVER I would like to play BF3, Arkham City, and Rage. My current machine (in sig) isn't cutting it. My primary use for my machine is researching, and editing.

I am considering the gtx 560 (non ti) and the HD6870 because they fall into my target budget. Am I on the right path. I can wait a few weeks and recycle my current gtx260, I don't think the processor I have now was ever really powerful enough of a match for it anyway.

Please don't tell me to get a new monitor, I'm limited by space and unless there's a 19" with 2ms that's 1920x1080 I can't fit it into my work area.
 

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If by "isn't cutting it" you mean you want dx11, then a hd 6870 should last you years on that monitor (it's 60~70% faster then what you have)

But the hd4870 should still be a potent card at that resolution, especially with a 2500k upgrade which, I assume, you're going to overclock.
 

severus

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Yes I would be overclocking. I no longer have that HD4870, it started artifacting so I removed it and bought this GTX260 (over a year ago). I did not consider the gtx460, but I'm going to look into it. As you can see by my specs, I typically don't upgrade often, I like things to last me a few years.
 

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Yeah you don't need a $200 card to power games at that resolution. A gtx460 768mb, gtx460 1 gig, or an hd6850 will all do a great job. Since you said you do not upgrade often, then I would highly suggest either the gtx460 1 gig or hd6850. Both cards can overclock nicely, with the gtx460 usually getting a slightly better overclock (your mileage may vary).

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This card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127518 would be a great gtx460
This card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121419 would be a great hd6850

For a few dollars more, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127592 this card will get you Batman Arkham City for free and would be slightly better than both the hd6850 and gtx460. Actually, I think this is the best deal for what you want.
 
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jacktesterson

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Yeah you don't need a $200 card to power games at that resolution. A gtx460 768mb, gtx460 1 gig, or an hd6850 will all do a great job. Since you said you do not upgrade often, then I would highly suggest either the gtx460 1 gig or hd6850. Both cards can overclock nicely, with the gtx460 usually getting a slightly better overclock (your mileage may vary).

EDIT:

This card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127518 would be a great gtx460
This card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121419 would be a great hd6850

For a few dollars more, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127592 this card will get you Batman Arkham City for free and would be slightly better than both the hd6850 and gtx460. Actually, I think this is the best deal for what you want.

Isn't the non ti 560 slower than a Regular 460?

I can't rememeber... google here I come.
 

tviceman

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Isn't the non ti 560 slower than a Regular 460?

I can't rememeber... google here I come.

There is a gtx560, yes, that is basically a better version of the gtx460. In other words, no it's not slower and it uses less watts for it's performance. It is what I linked to in my third (and highest recommended purchase for severus) in my previous message.
 
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severus

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the gtx 560 you linked seems to be the best option. it includes 2 games that i'd play and i'd basically be saving $70-$80 + the mail in rebate. The only problem is newegg nails me with tax (NJ).
 

tviceman

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the gtx 560 you linked seems to be the best option. it includes 2 games that i'd play and i'd basically be saving $70-$80 + the mail in rebate. The only problem is newegg nails me with tax (NJ).

Maybe the same card is on amazon for what would end up being cheaper for you. But yeah, for what you want this is the best deal. Go for it! You won't regret it and it will provide you with ample performance at that resolution for several years.
 

Philgag

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I'm gaming at the same resolution than you and for my new system (sig) I got a 6870 1gb.

This card is working VERY fine with BF3 Beta right now. And I guess than if I change to a better monitor down the road, I will get more ooophhm from the 6870 than from a 6850...

BTW I paid 150$ AR with free dirt3 and Deus-EX!
 

Red Hawk

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A GTX 560 or a HD 6870 would be overkill at 1440x900 IMO, not worth the money. The GTX 260 or HD 4870 that you have would do just fine. If you want some DX 11 effects, a HD 6770 or a GTX 550 Ti would do just fine, though they're not really a step up from the 260. You can sell that and make a bit of cash. I wouldn't pay for anything more than a Radeon HD 6850.
 
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3DVagabond

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Well, the optimum cards would be either the gtx-460 1Gig (not SE or any other crippled 460) or HD 6850. Want some "future proofing" (if you believe in such things) you can go with the 6870. The 560 (non TI) is just a 460 that's had it's efficiency improved (will likely O/C better though). Clock for clock there's no performance difference. The 560TI will be a bit better than the 6870, but is getting into overkill, IMO.
 

Cerb

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and would be a whopping 20-25% faster than his current card...
Also, it would lack memory. IMO, there's no good in getting a small amount of VRAM, unless you're going to upgrade very soon. On my GTX 460, I'm all too often much more limited by my 1GB than by the GPU's performance, even not having near enough CPU to let the GPU shine (FYI, the 28x.x drivers have been a godsend wrt minimum framerates on my lowly C2D). 1GB is good for console ports with fuzzy textures, with no desire to ever use mods, IMO.

My picks would be a Geforce GTX 560 2GB, or Radeon HD 6870 2GB.

Why the 560? Because the 460 models with 2GB of RAM are not much cheaper, and the 560 is faster, at stock/factory-OC speeds, by about the cost difference, typically. Get a nice 560 with a decent rebate (eVGA and MSI, right now), and keep the card longer.

Why the 6870? Because 6850 2GB models are all deactivated or OOS everywhere. Also, XFXs still have nice rebates going on, at Newegg ($203 after MIR for a 6870 2GB).

Either option will a bit overkill, but they're hardly bad buys, especially if the OP intends to keep them until they can't hack it anymore. IMO, the XFX 6870 2GB w/ MIR through Newegg would be the best fit, having a final cost around that of a GTX 460 2GB, and fitting right at the OP's budget. IMO, a HD 6870 or GTX 560 1GB would be a waste. You may as well get a GTX 460 or HD 6850 and save a little $, given the resolution, if you only want 1GB (I personally think a 5830, 5850, or 6850 2GB would be ideal, but I don't think a 2GB 5830 ever got made, and the other two would be hard to find new, and probably wouldn't be cheap enough, if you could find one new for sale, anyway).

Unfortunately, a 450 or 550 from nVidia could be bottleneck even at your res, likewise with for a 67xx Radeon HD. There's a much bigger performance gap going up to the 460 and 6850, than there is in models after them, and the performance benefit compared to a HD 4870 or GTX 260 wouldn't be much, and might be negative, depending on the chosen model and game.

OTOH...that GTX 260 would be a nice stop-gap, until you are jonesing for DX11. You could very well put your GTX 260 into the new PC, then wait for 28nm GPUs. Kind of a side-grade to the 4870, though TWIWMTBP games would benefit some. For quite a few games, I believe you will find that your CPU has been the primary limitation, and you aren't in as dire need of a video card as you might think, unless you feel must have lots of eye candy turned on.
 
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toyota

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Cerb, I am pretty sure in no way is your 1gb of vram on the your gtx460 going to be your MAIN limitation like you claim. that gpu itself would hit a wall long before its 1gb of vram would be a problem.

and you do realize the title of the thread? at 1440x900 there is zero point in him spending more money to have more than 1gb of vram on a gtx560.
 

Cerb

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Cerb, I am pretty sure in no way is your 1gb of vram on the your gtx460 going to be your MAIN limitation like you claim. that gpu itself would hit a wall long before its 1gb of vram would be a problem.
Not when more than 1GB is trying to be used, which is not hard to do now, and will certainly only be easier in the future. I said all too often--IoW, I find I can get OK performance as far as my CPU goes, but there's only so much room to jack up textures, and when available as an option, visible distance. My main limitation is my CPU.

900px vs. 1050px or 1080px is not enough to consider significantly different texture detail levels. 1440x900 will be much faster, but for a given level of IQ, nearly the same amount of RAM will be needed. If you only use a game's base presets (low/med/high/ultra/etc.), more GPU power and memory go hand-in-hand, but not necessarily if you go raising what brings the most IQ difference within reason. I think any really good GPU upgrade from a 4870 and GTX 260 would be overkill for 1440x900 in terms of GPU power, for the time being. AFAIK, the only game around to really warrant too much more of a GPU is Dirt 3, and even then only at max detail, which is more or less like saying Crysis demands it.

and you do realize the title of the thread? at 1440x900 there is zero point in him spending more money to have more than 1gb of vram on a gtx560.
I think a GTS 450, GTX 550, HD 5770, HD 6770, and HD 6790 could come up short, possibly not being as good as his GTX 260, depending on specifics (reviews with a GTX 260 and newer cards are not common, but what little I've seen has been impressive for the aging GTX 260). It's not so much that I think the OP needs a 560, but that I figure that upgrade will offer tessellation, and a very minor performance improvement beyond that. So, if it's going to happen, why not enable higher detail levels, and beautification mod options for SP games?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/170?vs=176
General edge to 4870, here.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/180?vs=176
Moderate improvement, and most will be 10% or more faster, due to factory OCs, but >$150 worth?
GTX 560 should generally be 30% or so better, but not in the AT bench selection.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/164?vs=176
Similar showing.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/162?vs=176
Quite a bit better...but, also notice how the gap tends to close in DX games at 1680x1050. The faster GPU's performance is somewhat wasted as the resolution lowers.

Now on 2011:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/304?vs=313
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/304?vs=291
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/304?vs=290

Much wasted, granted. What about cheaper?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/304?vs=316
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/304?vs=296
No better.

The grain of salt to add to all of that? 1440x900 should be, when limited by the GPU, 30-40% faster than those 1680x1050 benches, and about 80% faster than the 1920x1200 ones. The games whose tests can slam those cards tend to be those that can slam most anything (good ol' Crysis, FI).

In all honesty, I think keeping the GTX 260 for a bit longer, taking advantage of nV's slightly CPU-hungry drivers, and a little boost here and there on the occasional TWIWMTBP game, would be the best short-term route (kind of sad that proprietary game changes are my primary reason for thinking the GTX 260 over the HD 4870, but...). Then, once a few anticipated games come out, and/or 28nm GPUs, bite on a new card.

If the OP is set on upgrading (upgraditis symptoms can be overwhelming, you know!), a decent 2GB card will allow all eye candy to be turned up, handle more/prettier mods for SP games, and have some breathing room for longevity--neither of his current cards are remotely new, but neither are under-performers, and very little significantly under his budget will be too much of an improvement, save for the few DX11-only game options here and there, fewer watts at idle, and lower dBA at the OP's computer chair. At 1440x900, how much better will a GTX 560 1GB really be over a GTX 260 (I'm assuming 896MB--if less, the 4870 is 1GB), unless you could cram more textures in there, keeping a higher overall level of detail at any given time?

I personally think the OP's jaw will drop just from the new CPU, and that a GPU speed upgrade will likely be underwhelming, given how few pixels need pushing...but that if he wants a video card upgrade, best to really go for it, instead of getting meager/moderate speed improvements at a lower res, yet with nowhere to go when sharper become an option that will kill performance.
 
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crisium

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1440x900 users, keep in mind that benchmarks for your resolution are easier to find than you may think.

1440x900 = 1296000
1280x1024 = 1310720

1440x900 ~= 1280x1024

While 1280 benchmarks are also beginning to disappear, they are of course a lot more prevalent than 1440.

Techpowerup still benches are 1280x1024, so that's a good source for your resolution.
 

tweakboy

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At that resolution games will never drop a single FPS lol

Go with a 460 1GB . Anything above that is a waiste, as your resolution is low and you wont see a difference.
 

toyota

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You nailed it. The gtx 460 768 is a screamer at lower res, and it overclocks like a monster. I even use one on 1680x1050 with great success.
except for DX11, there is no reason to make such a minuscule upgrade from the gtx260 though.
 

bryanW1995

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Yes I would be overclocking. I no longer have that HD4870, it started artifacting so I removed it and bought this GTX260 (over a year ago). I did not consider the gtx460, but I'm going to look into it. As you can see by my specs, I typically don't upgrade often, I like things to last me a few years.

Sorry, missed this post. 6850 or gtx 560 (non ti) will have more staying power, though for those prices your absolute best bet (assuming you stay at 1440x900) is sli gtx 460-768 for ~ $180. That would last you a LONG time at that resolution.

except for DX11, there is no reason to make such a minuscule upgrade from the gtx260 though.

Yeah, I missed that part. When I upgraded from gtx 260 core 216 to gtx 460 - 768, it was only about 25% or so faster on 1680x1050 on the games that I tested.
 

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I would usually recommend the GTX 460 (1GB, non SE), the 6850 and the 6870. I think the GTX 560 is too expensive for its performance. You did say that you intend to get Arkham City though so that should be factored in.

If the GTX 560 were available for $140AR or less (and with that game) it would be a good deal. That might happen soon. I sense that the 6850/70 will have lots of good sales coming up (has already started) and the 560 has been at a high price for a long time and Nvidia will want to compete. I'm surprised its been priced like that for this long. I've seen 1GB 460 for $60 a few times.
 
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