New Computer

balbrain

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Aug 30, 2003
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I have been saving up for a new computer for some time. A friend suggested that I can get the best value if I build one myself. I am a noobie at this and I have always purchased name brands so far but I am open to the idea of building one if I can get guidance.

Please lemme know what all I should /could get. My budget is around 3500 dollars max. I am an avid gamer, so the video card and sound card are priorities. Please tell me what all i can get with this budget and how to go about building one.

Thanx
 

BG4533

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$3500 is a huge budget. Read through some of the forums here and find out what you like best. With your budget you can pretty much get whatever you want.
 

MangoTBG

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$3500 ?!?!!?!?!? Honestly, with that budget I'd just go buy a Voodoo or Alienware, prebuilt PC. Get a nice LCD with it and be happy with your warranties!


But what would I get?

19 Planar LCD
P4 2.6C overclock to 3.2 w/ 1GHz FSB
1GB 2x512MB OCZ PC4000 DDR 500 RAM running at 250MHz dual channel DDR and 1:1 ratio
2x80GB SATA raid 0
2x120GB 8mbcache EIDE raid 0
Audigy 2 Platinum
DVD-RW
4.1 or 5.1 THX speakers (Logitech or Klipshe)
Either 9800pro or 5900 Ultra

That's definately below your budget. And all maxed out. Enjoy.


How to build? CPU goes in socket. Thermal paste ontop of CPU, heatsink screws in/locks in. memory goes in dimm slots. ATX power cable and P4 12V cable gets plugged into mobo. HDDs get plugged into mobo. Optical drives get plugged into mobo. Video and sound card get plugged into mobo. Which mobo? IS7 or IC7 are great boards. I'd go with IS7-G, personally. Boot up, install OS. Done.
 

OverVolt

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$3500!!!! woohoo you might wanna learn a little about SCSI and get some 15k screamers in RAID 0 wooooooo
 

povertystruck

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Spend little, dont be a fool. I am thinking of a building a computer too.

My advice go with AMD, it is cheaper than intel. Dont get the newest cpu, instead look for a low priceerformance ratio, divide price by speed.

Video cards. You can easily be confused. My advice go with a nvidia 128 meg gforce 4 or 4mx. Yo could get a 256 meg card but it will cost you more and you wont see the performance.

Case. Go with a case/power-supply combo it is cheaper than buying individually.

Motherboards. There are lots so pick one yourself, I cant help you.

Hard drive. Hard drives are sold at places like Future Shop, at these big store you can get big rebates. The one in my city had 30 gig maxtor 7200 rpm for 39.99(canadian dollars) after all rebates. So maybe you should buy your Hard drive from somewhere like that. You dont need a big HD. Remember price:space ratio.

Ram is tricky. It is a common upgrade so it can be found at a big strore=rebates. Go with 256 megabytes of system ram.

Disc drive. Well its not really important. Any cd-rom should do. A new dvd technology is coming out(not sure when) called Blu-ray=higher capacity dvd discs. Oh and dont get a floppy drive, but if you do get a cheap one.

Monitor. Try to buy one used or get a new 17 inch monitor. Keyboard and mouse go cheap.

Operating system. Is up to you which you get and how you get it

Sound card. Unless you want surround, go cheap.


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For lower cpu and motherboard prices wait for the athlon64, which is to be released in september. Current cpu's will drop in value and then so will the motherboards. Don't buy an athlon64 until a version of windows is released that supports it. When that happens the athlon64 will go down in price due to increased sales, and so will the current stuff now.

At least wait for the althon64 this september to come out.

In Canada I could get a decent computer minus os for $500-$600cnd. Remember comuters go down in value fast, wait for a price plateau.
 

MangoTBG

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Originally posted by: povertystruck
Spend little, dont be a fool. I am thinking of a building a computer too.

My advice go with AMD, it is cheaper than intel. Dont get the newest cpu, instead look for a low priceerformance ratio, divide price by speed.

Video cards. You can easily be confused. My advice go with a nvidia 128 meg gforce 4 or 4mx. Yo could get a 256 meg card but it will cost you more and you wont see the performance.

Case. Go with a case/power-supply combo it is cheaper than buying individually.

Motherboards. There are lots so pick one yourself, I cant help you.

Hard drive. Hard drives are sold at places like Future Shop, at these big store you can get big rebates. The one in my city had 30 gig maxtor 7200 rpm for 39.99(canadian dollars) after all rebates. So maybe you should buy your Hard drive from somewhere like that. You dont need a big HD. Remember price:space ratio.

Ram is tricky. It is a common upgrade so it can be found at a big strore=rebates. Go with 256 megabytes of system ram.

Disc drive. Well its not really important. Any cd-rom should do. A new dvd technology is coming out(not sure when) called Blu-ray=higher capacity dvd discs. Oh and dont get a floppy drive, but if you do get a cheap one.

Monitor. Try to buy one used or get a new 17 inch monitor. Keyboard and mouse go cheap.

Operating system. Is up to you which you get and how you get it

Sound card. Unless you want surround, go cheap.


.
For lower cpu and motherboard prices wait for the athlon64, which is to be released in september. Current cpu's will drop in value and then so will the motherboards. Don't buy an athlon64 until a version of windows is released that supports it. When that happens the athlon64 will go down in price due to increased sales, and so will the current stuff now.

At least wait for the althon64 this september to come out.

In Canada I could get a decent computer minus os for $500-$600cnd. Remember comuters go down in value fast, wait for a price plateau.

Too many :beer: :beer:
 

balbrain

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Aug 30, 2003
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OK, reading all advices and some reviews. The P4 3 Ghz 800 FSB seems a good choice. I was thinking about the Radeon Pro 9800 256MB, but now I am confused as people say theres no point getting a 256MB, also some told me to wait for the 9900. I guess Sound card is fixed at The Audigy 2. For Speakers, I like Klipsch. For memory I am a little confused too. Whats the difference between corsair and the others? Corsair seems more expensive. I'd like to go with 1Gig of at least PC3200.

I am totally a noobie to stuff like the Mobo, heatsink, Fans, Cases etc. Never handled them before.Motherboards.com confused the heck outta me with umpteen socket numbers and such. Can someone help me out on the end? What about heat sink, cooling etc? How/What/Where (since I know nuthin about it) What about fans/cases? Do the fans come with the case or u get em separate? How many do u put in? How much pwer supply. Again the How/What/Where of these things would be helpful.

Did I miss anything? Any other component needed? Apart from the monitor, keyboard and mouse. Any suggestions for that?
 

povertystruck

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The radeon card you suggested produces alot of heat. go to www.tomshardware.com www.hardocp.com and find links from there Toms is great for complete novices, than you find better sites.


Oh im not sure if this is still true, but ATI I heard does not update drivers as often as nvidia. I think ypou should get a Nvidia card instead of an ATI. Go with a 128 meg video, price/performance ratio.

A gig of memory, wow. Ram does not fluctuate in price much or often. However because of DDR ram, ram is changing very fast, but the older ram does not go down in price. What I am sayin is that 1gig of ram is too much of an investment when it will be outdated soon after you buy it. I suggest buy 256meg or 512.

Your computer will only be able to play most of the newest games for about 2 years. If you are not planning to overclock than an expensive motherboard is a waste of money. Because you will only like your cpu for about 2 years, video card could be less. Go for quality not features that you wont use i have heard good things about a brand called SOLTEK.


CHECK THIS OUT www.pricewatch.com and find the lowest prices from stores. When you go there you will understand how foolish it would be to buy a 3.0ghz p4 example a 2.6 with 800fsb is $198 while your over priced 3.0 is $375.
 

randumb

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With $3500, I'd probably get what Mango mentioned, except a 3Ghz P4C, a Gigabyte 8KNXP Ultra, and 2 Fujitsu MAS SCSI drives in Raid 0.
 

BaboonGuy

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Samsung 191T LCD 600
ABIT IC7-Max3 200
P4 3.0C 400
2 15k 73GB drives in RAID 0 1200
1 7200 250GB SATA WD SE for backup/storage 300
4x512MB PC3200 Buffalo Winbond 400
9800 Pro 128MB 365

that's about 3500 dollars. buy that and you'll be set for a long time. you'll also one SMOKIN fast machine.
 

fredtam

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With $3500 I would get:

The cake-

Chieftec Model AX-01BLD w/window & side fan
Antec True Control 550 Watt Power Supply With 2 Fans 5.25 Control Panel-
ABIT IC7-Max3
Intel Pentium 4 / 3.0CGHz
2 CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series 512MB 32MX8 PC-3500C2
ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB
2 Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA
Seagate 160GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
SAMSUNG 1.44MB FLOPPY DRIVE
Samsung CDRW/DVD Combo Drive 52x24x52
TDK Indi DVD+/-RW Drive AID+440N
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum
Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 THX Certified 6 piece Personal Audio System
HITACHI CML174SXWB 17" Black LCD MONITOR

The icing-

Swiftech MCX4000-B, Heatsink ONLY
Panasonic Panaflo Axial Fan 92x92x25.5mm
Arctic Silver's Premium Silver Polysynthetic Thermal Compound
5 ANTEC All Clear PRO 80mm 4 pin Sleeve Bearing Fan
Microsoft Windows XP Professional


This should do anything you want to do, has plenty of storage, and if you don't like LCDs $500 leaves plenty of room for a nice crt.

Grand Total- $3471
 

Atlantean

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$3500 can get you a lot... get a 21" monitor, logitech z680 speakers, ati 9800 pro seems to be the card that is popular lately get the 256 mb model, as for processor brand I personally would choose amd, but thats up to you, maybe wait a month or two for the amd64... get at least 1 gb of ram... oh and don't listen to anyone that tells you you don't need a 256 mb video card, cause you will one day soon... hmm what else... oh get a dvd burner, pioneer is a good brand, and as for sound card I am sure you can figure out which is best, I have a hercules game theater xp myself and its 2 years old and runs great.
 

balbrain

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Aug 30, 2003
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Hmm, fredtams list looks awesome. Also, what do u need for SCSI drives and how much they cos? Just curious. Also, does anyone know any good tutorials to get a noobie started on computer building?
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: balbrain
Hmm, fredtams list looks awesome. Also, what do u need for SCSI drives and how much they cos? Just curious. Also, does anyone know any good tutorials to get a noobie started on computer building?

I'm trying to get a site up now it will probably be a week or two.
Search teh forum. Ihave seen a few links to some pretty good guides.
 

wetcat007

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Nov 5, 2002
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Originally posted by: balbrain
Hmm, fredtams list looks awesome. Also, what do u need for SCSI drives and how much they cos? Just curious. Also, does anyone know any good tutorials to get a noobie started on computer building?

IMO just stick with SATA....
 
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