New coolermaster copper HSF

[Jerboy]

I saw Coolermaster's all copper heatsink that has a friggin HEATPIPE on them for $40. The model # is HHC-1 I think....

Has anyone tried this? I don't think I've ever seen a consumer targeted CPU heatsink with a heatpipe on it.

 

[rondeemc]

Link please

 

[SWScorch]

I've read a few reviews; none from any big websites, but it was viewed favorably by all of them. Several reviews put it in the same class as the SK-6. I doubt its that good, but I have no doubt that it is a very nice sink.

 

[Howard]

<< I don't think I've ever seen a consumer targeted CPU heatsink with a heatpipe on it. >>


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[Jerboy]

<< Link please >>



This was at retail outlet.

but I found a review anyway

review

There also was a all copper heatsink w/o a heatpipe for same price, but with thicker copper base plate than the one with heatpipe.

They both cost $40, more than I care to spend for a damn heatsink.

 

[BUTTUGLY]

Thats the cooler master HHC-001, I received mine yesterday, looks good but the heat sink base is very rough, I lapped mine to mirror finish and here are my specs per MBM using the stock 36 cfm fan; With a TBird 1.333@1.411,1.75v, Antec case; System 30c, idle 31c. After 30 minutes of prime98 torture test, system 32c, full load 36c. It actually kicked my Alpha PAL8045's butt.
It did not exactly fit on my Shuttle AK31V2, the heat pipe tubing touches the chipset fan; had to remove one of the fan mounting screws and whittle off some of the plastic fan casing with a Dremel tool.
Pros: Performs great, price is good and the socket clip is the easiest .
Cons: Needs serious lapping, stock fan is kind of loud, unit may not clear chipset fans on all socket A boards.
My Overall rating: 5 / 5 (only 5's can kick Alpha butt)

 

[Spike]

man, that is looking like a nice HSF. I say this very bitterly as I just bought a PAL8045 with a YS-Tech fan... Oh well, the alpha is doing a wonderful job (under full load I am 18C cooler then I was with my old hsf) Anyway, if anyone finds another review, please post it. I would love to read up on it. Any idea when Anad is going to review HSF's again?

 

[Squisher]

Looks like a nice idea for a clip too. Some people have problems figuring out the correct washer arangement before it's too late on the Alpha's.

 

[BUTTUGLY]

Spike2756, I had a lot of trouble with my Alpha8045 / AK31 setup because of component placement and Alpha should just put a fan on the 8045 that works instead of leaving the selection up to the enduser.

After purchasing 4 fans, I still didnt have a viable cooling soution just a big hunk of aluminum blocking the airflow in my case.

Right now I have Idlebit set and MBM says 25c System - 25c CPU. My Alpha could never do that. Last night I played MOHAA SP for 4 solid hours , when I closed the game MBM reported 43c CPU. With 8045 temps ran in the mid 50's.

I ordered a 80 to 60mm fan funnel so I can run a quieter 80mm fan on my ....... it needs an shorter name, what's the Boss called in the game Giants? Oh yeah, KABUTO.

Click on this link to see my heatpipe!

HeatPipe

 

[Jerboy]

<< man, that is looking like a nice HSF. I say this very bitterly as I just bought a PAL8045 with a YS-Tech fan... Oh well, the alpha is doing a wonderful job (under full load I am 18C cooler then I was with my old hsf) Anyway, if anyone finds another review, please post it. I would love to read up on it. Any idea when Anad is going to review HSF's again? >>





Got more reviews baby!

another review

does the heatpipe really work? lets chop it off and find out!


my little add on note: They claimed there is no liquid in there. THERE IS liquid in there. In order for heat pipe to work there must be some liquid in there. The most likely reason they didn't see anything in there is that the fluid is something with boiling point below room temp sealed under pressure.

Next time you have a can of almost empty "canned air", try dipping a bottom of it in pretty hot water(do at your own risk though). Even though its hollow inside, the top part gets HOT! very fast. This is because liquified gas at the bottom is vaporized and carries heat along with it. When you open up, you don't see any liquid in there because it is vaporized immediately once pressure is released.

Use up that can. Punch a hole on the side and repeat the same thing. It won't get hot like that anymore.

P.S. I too am curious whats in Coolermaster HS heatpipe too. I do mean EXACT composition and formulation. I'm pretty sure Coolermaster would tell me "trade secret" and won't give it out though.

It can be figured out by using a GC/MS though.

Anyone here have access to gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer and have the skill to analyze gaseous matter with it?

 

[BUTTUGLY]

(This principal has been in use for many years, on cool nights, ancient Incas made ice in shallow bowls made of porous clay) Ok, there is liquid in there, otherwise it would not function and there is a porous coating inside the tubing ( it's called sintered tubing) that allows liquid to travel from a wet area to a dry area regardless of gravity, but one thing remarkable is if you break it, it will still work to some extent. The liquid content is probably just water and most of the air in the unit has been evacuated in order to lower the boiling point of the water. Funny, while my unit is operating, I cannot feel any heat along the semi loop of the heat pipe, perhaps most of the condensing takes place within the finned area and the some of the returning liquid evaporates before it gets back to the evaporator.
However, it works, just like the heat pipes that have been cooling laptop cpu's for years.
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Besides, take that scratched-up base and lap it until it's flat and give it a mirror finish like I did with mine and you will see different numbers.

 

[Squisher]

The only question about this setup is what's up with the Air flow 36.11 CFM @ 6800 RPM fan. I mean that's horrible airflow for the noise that thing must make.


Do you think this setup would work with a fan that sucks up through? I've got a 92mm fan on my alpha, but going to a larger sized fan works best if the fan sucks.

 

[BUTTUGLY]

Yeah, it makes a lot of noise, thats why I'm going to try a 80 to 60mm funnel and use a 53cfm Sanyo-Denki at 7 volts. The funnel should be here in a couple of days.

 

[SWScorch]

<< Right now I have Idlebit set and MBM says 25c System - 25c CPU >>



Thats impossible. No heatsink, with or without a CPU Idle SW can keep the CPU equal to ambient temperature. However, since the temperature thermistor doesnt actually read the core temp, I guess that reading could be true; although it certainly isnt accurate.

BTW Squisher, 36cfm at 6800rpm is only 2 cfm below Delta'as Black Label fan. And 35-40cfm @ 6800rpm is not bad at all. Yes it is very loud, but the cfm rating is very good for the noise level/fan speed.

 

[BUTTUGLY]

Oh yeah, Alphas are open on all 4 sides so they do inherently cool better when the fan sucks. Blowing on top the Alpha's dense population of pins literally stops air flow, making the fan eat its own backwash. However, since the fins in the HHC-001 are very thin and widely spaced, very little turbulence is generated by blowing. Plus cooler air is delivered to the fin area where the heat pipes are connected.

 

[BUTTUGLY]

Quote: "Thats impossible. No heatsink, with or without a CPU Idle SW can keep the CPU equal to ambient temperature. However, since the temperature thermistor doesnt actually read the core temp, I guess that reading could be true; although it certainly isnt accurate."

Youre right, but since my readings are in "C" a small temperature difference is often not noticed. My in-socket thermistor has a coating of AS II and does touch the cpu underside. Right now MBM reads system28/cpu28, sometimes momentarily flipping to 29c. This box has been on all day running Medal of Honor and RTCW so its a lot warmer than when it was first turned on.

 

[Squisher]

Funnels don't work well with most computer fans because the out going air is expelled in a outward radial fashion and this works against the funnel trying to channel the air back toward the center of the funnel. However, by flipping the fan over to suck and going to a larger fan you can get tons of cfm at low rpms.

My Alpha mod Get it while you can before comcast takes away my webspace

 

[fastman]

I bought mine right when it came out for a XP1600/Shuttle combo. Works great, very cool all the time.

 

[Laughingman]

It's a good performing sink. but my Glaciator Performs just as well without the noise of a jet plane, is cheaper and comes with ASGII to boot. Quieter than my Alpha and easier to install. Glaciator is a better buy.

Heat pipes just move the heat from one place to another very efficiently. Unfortunately in a copper sink the differential between the base and the top of the fins is only 2/3 C. As they are dependant on temp differential this is under utilizing a heat pipes potential. These things can move KW of heat no problem.

I am waiting for some manufacturer to offer them to the overclocking market. Clamp the heat pipe to your CPU extend them outside your case and you can get some real aggressive cooling going. You could put a couple of hundred fins on them and a 20 inch fan pushing a couple of thousand CFM. Or integrate it into a Refrigerator or water cooling rig. Now you have real cooling. The Heat sink app is a waste of pot. , a gimmick in my opinion.



heat pipe

 

[Nerdwannabe]

the thought has been consider for a long time, but no one can actually make one kit that fits all kinds of cases and motherboards.

 

[Jerboy]

<< (This principal has been in use for many years, on cool nights, ancient Incas made ice in shallow bowls made of porous clay) Ok, there is liquid in there, otherwise it would not function and there is a porous coating inside the tubing ( it's called sintered tubing) that allows liquid to travel from a wet area to a dry area regardless of gravity, but one thing remarkable is if you break it, it will still work to some extent. The liquid content is probably just water and most of the air in the unit has been evacuated in order to lower the boiling point of the water. Funny, while my unit is operating, I cannot feel any heat along the semi loop of the heat pipe, perhaps most of the condensing takes place within the finned area and the some of the returning liquid evaporates before it gets back to the evaporator.
However, it works, just like the heat pipes that have been cooling laptop cpu's for years.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Besides, take that scratched-up base and lap it until it's flat and give it a mirror finish like I did with mine and you will see different numbers. >>





Evacuating the air does not lower the boiling point of water for more than a brief moment. It will quickly quickly buildup its own vapor pressure and brings the boiling point to close to normal unless continuously pumped with vacuum pump.

 

[Spike]

I am still skeptical. I just replaced cooler masters main hsf for the athlonXP series (dp5-6i11a or something like that) with a alph PAL8045 and it is sooo much cooler and quieter. even if that heat-pipe sink can do marignally better cooling, it is not worth the noise. I thought I read that it is over45db, that is just too much. after a week with my old globalwin WBK38 at 46db I was getting constant headaches.

ok, I have a side question. Anyone know why I cannot find ant reference to the HHC-001 on coolermasters homepage? they don't have it listed under products and a search came up with nothing. Just curios...

 

[Nerdwannabe]

www.coolermaster.com click on the "retail version"

If you ar lazy, then go www.coolermaster.com.hk

 

[MoFunk]

<< Funnels don't work well with most computer fans because the out going air is expelled in a outward radial fashion and this works against the funnel trying to channel the air back toward the center of the funnel. However, by flipping the fan over to suck and going to a larger fan you can get tons of cfm at low rpms.

My Alpha mod Get it while you can before comcast takes away my webspace >>



Nice work! Does anyone know where something very similar to this can be purchased?

Or....Squisher, can you give us detailed instructions on how to make it? I am not too handy with tools and really only have a dremmel but if it is not too difficult I could give it a shot. I have been thinking of putting a 92mm on my Alpha as well. Thanks!

 

[MoFunk]

OK I did some searching and found this, the amazuma, but with the Alpha needing the fan to suck, this adapter may not do a good job because there is no funnel to get the air straight through the HS. Hmmm.

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