New Dell Convertibles, Tablets (Android and Windows), Ultrabooks

[Roland00Address]

Edit with more info

Somehow I missed this device prototype hitting the media at computex but I figure I would share what I found. (There are rumors we may see the actual unveiling sometime this week a couple weeks prior to its launch for windows 8.1)

The Dell XPS 11 is a convertible similar to to the yoga.

• 2.5 lbs, less than 15mm thick. For comparison the Macbook Air is 17 mm thick for both 11 and 13, 2.38 lb for 11", 2.96" for the 13"
• 2560x1440 resolution, IZGO screen, 400 nits, 72% Color Gamut, 160 degree viewing angle
• Flips around similar to the Yoga
• The prototype Endgadget used was using i5 4th generation silicon. Will have haswell core i3 or i5 options
• 2 USB 3 ports, Full Size HDMI output, SD Card Reader
• Active Digitizer
• Keyboard has almost non existant travel (1/2 of a mm) and thus similar to a touch keyboard from microsoft.
• 4 GBs of Memory
• 80 to 256 GBs of SSD
• Carbon Fiber with Cornings Gorilla Glass
• 40 Watt Hour Battery
• Intel WIDI, NFC, BT, Dual Band Wifi (Can't find if 802.11 AC or 802.11 N)
• Prices start at $999, Available in November

Dell's blog
Endgadget hands on with the prototype including video
More Endgadget
Liliputing
Cnet

So for the people who want an actual built in stand (laps and such), or need an active digitizer and a full sized sd card slot for photos we may have a surface 2 competitor.

 

[Imaginer]

This should satisfy users who want a more traditional laptop experience but would dabble into the tablet and tablet tent usage model from time to time (like the Yoga).

Big curiosity on the active digitizer specs - if it is Wacom, if it boasts the same penabled feel digitizers as other tablet PCs, if it sports more than 1024 pressure points or tilt functions...

Because if the digitizer is on par with the Surface Pro / Pro 2, this is highly tempting and Dell coming up to the hybrid tablet PC bar. I still like and prefer the magnet cover and power adapter, The Dell offers a bit more in ports and a full SD card slot.

 

[Roland00Address]

Venue 7 (Android Tablet with Jellybean)

• Android 4.2.2 Will eventually get Kit Kat
• 8.3” Ounces (.52” lbs), .38” Inches Thick, 4.6” Inches Wide, 7.6”Inches Tall
• 1280x800 IPS
• Clovertrail 1.6 Ghz (Intel Atom Z2560)
• 16 GB Storage, MicroSD, MicroUSB
• WGA Front Facing, 3 Megapixel Back
• Wifi and LTE Versions, Bluetooth, GPS
• 15.5” Watt Hour Battery
• Red or Black
• Price starting at $149

Venue 8 (Android Tabelt with Jellybean)

• Android 4.2.2 Will eventually get Kit Kat
• 10.3” Ounces (.64&#8221, .35” Inches Thick, 5.1” Inches Wide, 8.3 Inches Tall”
• 1280x800 IPS
• Clovertrail 2 Ghz (Intel Atom Z2580)
• 2 GB of Memory
• 16 GB Storage, 32 GB option, MicroSD, MicroUSB
• 2 Megapixel Front, 5 Megapixel Back
• Wifi and LTE Versions, Bluetooth, GPS
• 15.5” Watt Hour Battery
• Red or Black
• Price starting at $189

CNET
Endgadget
Android Community
ARSTechnica

 

[Roland00Address]

Venue 8 Pro (Windows 8)

• 8 Inch IPS 1280x800
• Weight .87 lb, 8.9 mm thick
• Intel Atom 3740D (Batrail)
• 2GB of Memory
• 32 or 64 GB of EMMC storage, MicroSD expansion, Micro USB
• Active Digitizer
• 1.2 Megapixel Front Camera, 5 Megapixel Back
• 18 Whr Battery
• Qualcomm Dualband Dual Stream Wifi (so no Intel WiDi), Bluetooth, LTE/HSPA as an available add on
• Price $299, Avaliable? (Some Websites state Oct 18, some Nov 17)

PC World
Pocket-Lint

 

[Roland00Address]

Venue 11 Pro

• 10.8” IPS 1920x1200 Screen, 10 Touch Points
• Weight 1.57 to 1.76 lbs depending on configuration, 0.4” to 0.6” inches thick depending on configuration
• Bay Trail or Core i series
• Atom Z3770, SDP 2W
• Haswell Pentium 3560Y, 1.2 ghz SDP 6W
• Core i3 4020Y, 1.5 ghz with HT, SDP 6W
• Core i5 4210Y, 1.5 ghz with HT Base Speed, 1.7 ghz dual core turbo, 1.9 ghz single core turbo, SDP 6W
• Core i5 4300Y, 1.6 ghz with HT Base Speed, 2.0 ghz dual core turbo, 2.3 ghz single core turbo, SDP 6W
• Baytrail Starts with 2 GBs of Memory. Core I Series has 4 or 8 GBs of Memory
• Baytrail Starts with 32GB of Storage
• Core i Series has 64, 128, or 256 GB SSD
• Active Digitizer
• Removable Battery
• 1 USB 3 Port, MicroSD up to 64 GB, mini hdmi
• All Models Dual Band Wifi, Some with 802.11 N, Some with 802.11 AC, Intel WIDI on some models. Bluetooth and NFC supported
• 3 Different Accessories
• Slim Keyboard, Similar to Microsoft Surface
• Mobile Keyboard, Similar to Transformer, has integrated battery in dock adding an additional 80% battery life
• Tablet Desktop Dock. Has 1 Displayport 1.2 port, 1 HDMI 1.4 Port, Ethernet, and 2 USB 3
• 8 Megapixel Back, 2 Megapixel Front
• Prices Start at $500 (for Baytrail)

Slim Keyboard+Case

Transformer Keyboard with Battery

Cnet
Endgadget
PC World
Pocket-Lint

 

[Roland00Address]

XPS 12
Pretty Much the Same as the current XPS 12 but being updated to Haswell

 

[Roland00Address]

Xps 13
Pretty Much the same as the current XPS 13 but

• 1920x1080 now with Touchscreen
• Corning’s Gorilla Glass
• Intel Core i3, i5, i7 Haswell Processors
• Up to 10.5 Hours of Battery Life

Endgadget
Pocket-Lint

 

[Roland00Address]

XPS 15

• 3200x1800 Screen Resolution on a 15.6” Screen (5.7 Million Pixels), IZGO Display. Note they also have a 1080p option and this will be the starting option
• Corning’s Gorilla Glass
• 18mm Thick (15” Macbook Pro Retina is the same thickness), 4.4 lbs
• Core I5 or Core I7 (Quad Core) Haswel Chip
• 3 USB 3 Ports, 1 USB 2 Port, HDMI, Mini Displayport, SD Card Reader
• Intel Graphics or Nvidia Geforce 750m
• 500 GB or 1 TB Hard Drive with 32 GB SSD Caching or 512 GB SSD
• No Optical Drive
• Carbon Fiber and Aluminium
• Prices start at $1499 (Ships in October)

CNet
Endgadget
[url="http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/2/4793836/dells-new-xps-15-aims-to-be-the-king-of-portable-windows-machines]The Verge[/url]

 

[Akaz1976]

Has there been any info published on thickness/weight added (Venue Pro 11) for going from Bay Trail to Core i3? Also pricing?

For me in daily use (MS Office, Streaming, Surfing), Core i3 (Fanless) seems the sweet spot for power/battery-life/size mix.

I am hoping core i3 based venue pro 11 will be closer to 10mm rather than 14mm. and still deliver 8 hour standalone battery life.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Something like that Venue Pro 11 would be perfect if we had Intel 2015's CPUs.

 

[Roland00Address]

Has there been any info published on thickness/weight added (Venue Pro 11) for going from Bay Trail to Core i3? Also pricing?

For me in daily use (MS Office, Streaming, Surfing), Core i3 (Fanless) seems the sweet spot for power/battery-life/size mix.

I am hoping core i3 based venue pro 11 will be closer to 10mm rather than 14mm. and still deliver 8 hour standalone battery life.

No they haven't released the thickness of the Dell Venue Pro 11 with the core i3 and the smaller battery.

Dell will be offering two battery sizes 30 Whr or 37 Whr depending on configuration, and Thickness 10.2mm - 15.4mm (based on model). We do know the battery will be replaceable but we don't know if they are offering two different' battery sizes or if they are forcing you to get the bigger battery if you are going Haswell.

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Prices have not been released for haswell, but I am not sure the point of the Pentium 3060Y besides going for real ssd instead of emmc.

Cinebench R11.5 Single Thread
.40 Atom Z3770 (anandtech)
.60 Celeron 1017U (notebook check)

Cinebench R11.5 Single Thread
1.48 Atom Z3770 (anandtech)
1.30 Celeron 1017u (notebook check)

I picked the Celeron 1017u for there are no benchmarks for the Pentium 3060Y yet. The Celeron 1017u is a 1.6 ghz ivybrdige dual core with 2 MBs of L3 Cache, 512 KB of L2, 128 KB L1. The Pentium 3060Y is at 1.2 ghz is haswell, and has an identical cache structure, the Celeron has a 33% clock speed advantage, the Pentium is 4th Generation instead of 3rd Generation and shall use less power. Regardless there is no way Haswell improvements is going to beat a 33% clock speed advantage, and eventhen in that benchmark the Atom is comparable in performance.

I also don't see the point (besides marketing) of the i5-4210Y instead of the i3-4020Y, it only has a 26% single threaded increase and a 13% dual core increase and that is assuming if turbo works perfectly and it is not thermally constrained. At least the i5 4300Y has enough turbo to justify its existence (33% faster dual, 53% faster single if turbo works correctly and is not thermally constrained.)

 

[OS]

that Venue 11 looks interesting, but i wish there were details about the charger.
One thing I like about Dell laptops, especially in an enterprise setting, is the chargers have been standardized since at least the latitude D series, approaching 10 years now.

When they started making ultrabooks, the old charger plug had to be discarded for size layout reasons, but then you have to carry that specific charger then.

Micro usb is also ok, but I realize it has a small finite current handling rating. I just don't like carrying around chargers if I don't have to, it defeats the purpose of thin and light.

 

[Roland00Address]

that Venue 11 looks interesting, but i wish there were details about the charger.

It is a proprietary 24w charger.

And I hate dell chargers for they are not standardized on commercial lines (almost all brands have the enterprise lines standardized). Years ago, they have stop doing so today, they made a proprietary dell charger where if you get a universal model (because the dell charge broke, lost, physical damage, or you want a second charge) to run your laptop it will not charge the battery unless you have the official proprietary dell charger.

 

[Akaz1976]

No they haven't released the thickness of the Dell Venue Pro 11 with the core i3 and the smaller battery.

Dell will be offering two battery sizes 30 Whr or 37 Whr depending on configuration, and Thickness 10.2mm - 15.4mm (based on model). We do know the battery will be replaceable but we don't know if they are offering two different' battery sizes or if they are forcing you to get the bigger battery if you are going Haswell.

I wonder if all haswell based venue pro 11 will be fan cooled (and thus 15mm thick) because from what I have read, fanless haswell is 4.5w sdp and the ones you have listed are all 6w sdp.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7168/...-sdp-parts-in-limited-volumes-later-this-year


That by the way would suck. The only reason I am not buying surface 2 pro is the thickness/fan.
and I was hoping venue pro 11 would fix that.

 

[Ravynmagi]

Looks cool and I think I want this. But do we think it is physically possible for that hybrid to sit like that with the really thin and light looking keyboard and the thicker and heavier looking tablet leaning back that far on top? Haha, looks like someone probably had to velcro the keyboard to the desk to take that picture.

 

[Lil Frier]

So no more of the rotating display stuff? I thought that was a cool idea (not sure if it worked or not, never known anyone to own the XPS 12). I like that concept better than this Yoga setup, which puts the Windows logo up top in tablet mode.

 

[Roland00Address]

So no more of the rotating display stuff? I thought that was a cool idea (not sure if it worked or not, never known anyone to own the XPS 12). I like that concept better than this Yoga setup, which puts the Windows logo up top in tablet mode.

They are still making the xps 12, it is just being updated to haswell and nothing else.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Justification of the existence of Pentium 3060Y and Core i5 4210Y depends on the price difference.

If the Pentium is $50 over Bay Trail, and 4210Y $50 over Core i3 its probably worth it. The former is obviously about single thread advantages over the Bay Trail chip. For the Pentium, there's also the graphics advantage.

I'm thinking for the Core parts the price will hopefully go like this:

Core i3 4020Y-Baseline
Core i5 4210Y-$50
Core i5 4300Y-$100

For the Venue Pro 11, they are talking about 10 hours of battery for Bay Trail and 8 hours for Haswell.

The XPS 11 is interesting. The question is they don't seem to be talking about the digitizer anymore, so did they drop it? For someone like me looking at really portable Convertible with a digitizer, the price is pretty good. Another question is the keys, but I'll hopefully be able to play with in person.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Venue 8 Pro (Windows 8)

• 8 Inch IPS 1280x800
• Weight .87 lb, 8.9 mm thick
• Intel Atom 3740D (Batrail)
• 2GB of Memory
• 32 or 64 GB of EMMC storage, MicroSD expansion, Micro USB
• Active Digitizer
• 1.2 Megapixel Front Camera, 5 Megapixel Back
• 18 Whr Battery
• Qualcomm Dualband Dual Stream Wifi (so no Intel WiDi), Bluetooth, LTE/HSPA as an available add on
• Price $299, Avaliable? (Some Websites state Oct 18, some Nov 17)

PC World
Pocket-Lint

i like this one, ill probably get it if the reviews are decent and it has no major bugs. being able to conveniently print is a major advantage of windows, if ms starts offering windows8.1 tablets at these netbook prices, windows is going to do fine

 

[zerogear]

Anyone know if the Dell Venue Pro 11 -- the clamshell/battery keyboard -- does it have backlight on the keys?

 

[Synomenon]

Anyone remember the OQO?

A bit ahead of its time back then, but would be great now with Windows 8.1 and Bay Trail or Haswell.

 

[rhx123]

Getting very closed to the alleged release date for these now.

Aside from the lower TDP processor, the Venue 11 Pro seems to be everything the Surface Pro 2 should have been: A proper desktop dock with multiple monitor outputs, and also a keyboard with a hinge so if you don't mind a bit of extra bulk to be able to work at any angle.

Hoping the i5 versions are priced fairly competitively though.

 

[Akaz1976]

Release date in Nov7?

EDIT: holy **** just realized that my ICQ UIN is in my profile here at anandtech. Was just reading an article that they were trying to make a comeback was thinking I would never be able to find my UIN! (I 'lost' my AT login for few years in the middle)

 

[s44]

Anyone know if the Dell Venue Pro 11 -- the clamshell/battery keyboard -- does it have backlight on the keys?

Apparently not.

The Bay Trail 11 Pro is the only attractive model, but who knows if they'll screw it up somehow.

 

[Akaz1976]

Can order Pro 11 now. core i3 is $800 and core i5 is $850. Both core tablets come with 128GB vs 64GB for Baytrail one as well as 4GB ram vs 2GB. Intel graphics are also different for core vs baytrail.

Unfortunately no dimensions (or battery life) are provided but given the similarity between i3 and i5 I would expect both to be 15mm thick which means I have to keep waiting for a thinker core tablet (likely next year with fanless core processors)

http://www.dell.com/us/p/dell-venue-11i-pro/pd?oc=ftcwe04h&model_id=dell-venue-11i-pro

Shipment date: Dec 12