New Details on R600 emerging - ReScheduled to MAY Launch

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JPB

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Im looking forward to this series of cards. But only the Pro or XL version. I always purchase the mid range from a new series...since the high end can keep me from paying my bill's on time.

Hmm, wonder what the HIS version will have for the cooler ?
 

josh6079

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Looks like you can maybe see where the retail versions fan will be in those OEM pics.

It might fall right around that groove in the plastic cover, right here

And I thought fan noise was more based off of rpm's and size Cookie. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
 

Cookie Monster

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We will have to wait to really know about fan noise. Im itching to read some benchmarks and other various testings.
 

josh6079

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So why'd you say:
The fan of that card is at a whopping 24W. Noise could be a problem.
if you didn't have a reason to correlate a 24W fan to noise? IIRC, a fan's noise is only attributed by the RPM's and its size. Also, doesn't the amount of watts being pulled depend directly upon the RPM? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 

Genx87

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This thing better blow the doors off the G80. 270 watts is pushing the level of sanity.

 

JPB

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Well, not sure about blowing the door's off. But it should without a doubt be faster with about 39% more bandwidth.
 

josh6079

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Bandwidth, schmandwidth.....I wanna hear what kind of graphical features it's bringing. What AA and AF algorithms they're going to use and whether the core can really use the bandwidth.
 

Cookie Monster

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Originally posted by: josh6079
So why'd you say:
The fan of that card is at a whopping 24W. Noise could be a problem.
if you didn't have a reason to correlate a 24W fan to noise? IIRC, a fan's noise is only attributed by the RPM's and its size. Also, doesn't the amount of watts being pulled depend directly upon the RPM? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Watt to my knowledge matter to fans.

Now since P = VI, we know that the fan R600 cooler is using is 12V.
So its using 2 amps where most standard 120mm collers use only about ~0.5 amps.

The RPM on the fan must be really high due to current being abit too high. RPM is directly related with the fan noise logically (i think) so im assuming noise could be a problem,
 

apoppin

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here's what r600 will go against

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37544

Geforce 8900 comes into view

Overclocked G80 with a driver tweak


. . . EVGA 8800 GTX overclocked edition that works at 626MHz and somehow we know that 630MHz is the top for this chip. You can read all about it ....

Nvidia plans to introduce the new overclocked card with a driver tweak.

---if any of you green guys are planning to 'step up'

or turn traitor
:Q

it's just another shade of green
:evil:


. . . naw

 

Creig

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Judging by the picture of the retail R600XTX, they're not going to use the same four-heatpipe heatsink as seen on the OEM card. I'm surprised they were able to shorten it that much.
 

sodcha0s

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: josh6079
So why'd you say:
The fan of that card is at a whopping 24W. Noise could be a problem.
if you didn't have a reason to correlate a 24W fan to noise? IIRC, a fan's noise is only attributed by the RPM's and its size. Also, doesn't the amount of watts being pulled depend directly upon the RPM? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Watt to my knowledge matter to fans.

Now since P = VI, we know that the fan R600 cooler is using is 12V.
So its using 2 amps where most standard 120mm collers use only about ~0.5 amps.

The RPM on the fan must be really high due to current being abit too high. RPM is directly related with the fan noise logically (i think) so im assuming noise could be a problem,

First of all, the formula you used (W=EI) only works for a purely resistive load, however the higher wattage fan will obviously draw more current at the same voltage. But, wattage doesn't have a thing to do with RPM's, and most certainly not noise. A different fan blade, static pressure, etc. will also change fan requirements.
 

Nightmare225

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Originally posted by: apoppin
here's what r600 will go against

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37544

Geforce 8900 comes into view

Overclocked G80 with a driver tweak


. . . EVGA 8800 GTX overclocked edition that works at 626MHz and somehow we know that 630MHz is the top for this chip. You can read all about it ....

Nvidia plans to introduce the new overclocked card with a driver tweak.

---if any of you green guys are planning to 'step up'

or turn traitor
:Q

it's just another shade of green
:evil:


. . . naw


In my eyes, such a small clock increase is just not worth it and releasing it as a new card.
 

apoppin

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here we go:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37582
now it looks now there will be even more than four. If ATI makes the Uber edition water-cooled card we are looking at five cards. Let's first talk about the four we can confirm.

Dragonshead is R600XTX and is a full-length 12.4-inch card with 1024MB memory for OEMs. We wrote more about it here.

The second card is Dragonshead 2 with the same clock as the R600XTX 12.4 inch card. The only difference is that this card ends up being 9.5 inches long and needs 240W power. It still has 1024MB memory and 512Mbit memory controller. It comes with two 2x3 pins power connectors that we already saw at Geforce 8800 GTX.

The third card is codenamed Catseye and comes with R600XT chip clocked 10 to 15 percent slower than the R600XTX. It comes with 512B of GDDR3 memory and is 9.5 inches long and occupies two motherboard slots. In metric world it is about 24 cm long. It eats up 240W and has two power connectors, 2x3 pin ones. It should see the face of the market in April. The first three cards have dual DVI and VIVO option.

The fourth R600 based card that we can confirm is codenamed UFO. We wrote about it here. The clock speed will be smaller than R600XL version and the card comes with 512 MB of GDDR3 memory. It has dual DVI and TV out but no Vivo. It is nine inches long and has dual slot cooler. It consumes 180W and has a single 2x3 power connector. It is scheduled for production in April.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37581
R600XTX is no longer a mystery. Spies managed to snap a picture of the R600XTX, the top of the OEM line. The card is among the biggest thing that we ever seen in our lives and has a massive four heat pipe powered cooler.

It comes with 1024MB of 512Mbit memory. We are of course talking about GDDR4 memory that works at over 2000MHz. We don't have the final clock speeds ATI will beusing - at least not yet. Yes, that confirms our story that R600 supports a 512Mbit controller and memory. You can read all about that here as we brought you that one back in October last year.

Just look at the that cooler, it is massive and, believe it or not, the card is 12.4 inches long. It is a bit smaller than the biggest one of all time, that on the Geforce 7900 GX2.



Tiny little monster DX 10 graphic card

Compared to the Geforce 8800 GTX the R600 XTX is huge. The Geforce 8800 GTX is nine inches or about 23 cm long. The card comes with two power connectors. We have already seen one 2x3 pin, while this card will introduce the new one 2x4 pins. The new connector will come with new PSUs. The card takes two slots in your motherboard and in most cases, there will be one more version 9.5 inches that will be for retail sales.

The big R600XTX card codenamed Dragons head is the OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) and SIs (System Integretor) card only. The card should be launched in March and will be available at the same month but rather late march than early.
 

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What I want to know is when the HELL are us 8800GTX owners gonna see these new drivers and by GOD they better work better than the stuff we got now! If all the 8900 is is an overclock of the 8800, hehehe Ill jump into that pool with my card! Here R600 R600 R600!!! Muahahah!
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: ebeattie
What I want to know is when the HELL are us 8800GTX owners gonna see these new drivers and by GOD they better work better than the stuff we got now! If all the 8900 is is an overclock of the 8800, hehehe Ill jump into that pool with my card! Here R600 R600 R600!!! Muahahah!
wrong thread ... i can point you to the *nvidia driver complaint thread* if you wish

and i'll be here to remind you about the 8900

don't forget to put your videocard into a plastic bag when you jump ... if there's even water in your pool.
:Q

 

mooncancook

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Crap, these huge cards are a turn off as I don't think I'll be able fit them into my P180 case without removing the hard drives. Looks like my best bet for a next gen card is the 8800GTS for now
 

apoppin

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Dragonshead 2 with the same clock as the R600XTX 12.4 inch card. The only difference is that this card ends up being 9.5 inches long and needs 240W power.

the size is fine

9.5 inches ... no prob

otOh, 240w is a real *turn off* for me

what the hell was ATi thinking ... besides 'winning'

:disgust:

that alone would make me consider nvidia
 

Creig

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You want to REALLY wrap your brain around some power figures? Check this out...

ATI R600 series specification and pricing chart

Note the model number of the card that is shown ABOVE the performance level of the X2800XTX.

An X2800XTX2!

Looks like ATI has their own R600 version of the 7950GX2.

X2800XTX2
575 MHz GPU clock speed
2000 MHz memory speed
GDDR4
256 bit memory width
512mb memory x 2
96 pipelines x 2
80nm


I can't even imagine the total power draw of this card.

The rest of the ATI lineup is shown on the chart as well, all the way down to a $59 X2300LE.
 

JBT

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apoppin

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Originally posted by: JBT
Originally posted by: enz660hp
Another photo of OEM r600. This one is red
Crappy Pic of retail r600's power slots Seems to be dual 6-pin just like the 8800gtx.

And now here are some BENCHMARKS?!?!

Obviously the could be fake, and dont really represent top performance since the graph's # were tested with an fx55. Some q6700 benches at the bottom though....

dang that card is big... I think I might need a new case + PSU....

look at the smaller one ... 9.5 inches

more details:

R600XTX Dragonshead 2 spotted

Small and made for retail
... Dragonshead 2 ... is 9.5 inches (24 centimetres) long and this is the one that will make it into retail. We wrote about the card here. This is the OEM-only version.

To our surprise, Dragon's Head 2, a much smaller card should have the same clock speed as the massive 12.4 inch, full-length card. It also comes with 1024MB GDDR4 memory.

The card supports Vivo and comes with Dual DVI. It has a dual-slot heatsink and consumes 240W of power, some 30W less than the big mamma. It has two 2x3 standard PCIe connectors the same two you can see on the G80, Geforce 8800 GTX cards. It looks more like graphic cards we're used to seeing.

The good news is that many power supply units already have these 2x3 pin connectors. The cards based on this design should also be available late March.

240w ... 270w for the big one ...

personally i think DAAMiT is heading in the wrong direction [except performance] ...
if this *thing* doesn't kick the 8800GTX's butt ... it will a huge power-hungry disappointment
[i doubt it ... we'll probably see something *special* specifically from AMD on it and it will probably leave GTX in the Dust till they get their drivers right]
 

apoppin

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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37607
External R600 and Crossfire cards are on the way

Lasso is AMD's codename for external graphics card which will utilise the same external PCIe x16 connector we wrote about last week.

While this is mostly aimed at desktops, with the PCIe x16 bus-card that will be installed inside desktop PCs, it will also be compatible with upcoming notebooks that feature x16 and x8 connectors. This will bring high-end graphics power to the notebooks for the first time. We already know of one notebook manufacturer that plans to bring external PCIe standard to the world of mobile devices, so it might be possible to have a nice and compact notebook that turns into a gaming rig that can power 24- or 30-inch LCDs.

And this is not all ATI is making external. The company has also done some work on an external Crossfire configuration, although currently most resources are going into getting both the R600 and RV610/630 series out the door during March and April. External CrossFire will come to market probably before summer, oriented towards competing with Quadro Plex. It's not hard to imagine that the GPGPU world is soon going to become a real source of revenue for the company, just like Quadro SDI is for Nvidia.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: Genx87
This thing better blow the doors off the G80. 270 watts is pushing the level of sanity.

The level of sanity in this market was obliterated when SLI was introduced a few years ago, but at least you could avoid it. Now that cards exceed 100w, its just become absurd under any circumstance... How many watts did the X800XT put out anways? I remember that thing be a hot and loud beast...
 
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