New Details on R600 emerging - ReScheduled to MAY Launch

[Cookie Monster]

Im thinking theres no clock domains so it will be 750mhz across the silicon.

Peole listen up!

The release date will be March 8th~9th for the R600. This is the best assumtpion for the launch date. So be prepared!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Im thinking theres no clock domains so it will be 750mhz across the silicon.

Peole listen up!

The release date will be March 8th~9th for the R600. This is the best assumtpion for the launch date. So be prepared!

you took 'my job' over rather nicely
:Q

i haven't felt the *need* to post here in awhile

You go CM!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Im thinking theres no clock domains so it will be 750mhz across the silicon.

Peole listen up!

The release date will be March 8th~9th for the R600. This is the best assumtpion for the launch date. So be prepared!

you took 'my job' over rather nicely
:Q

i haven't felt the *need* to post here in awhile

You go CM!

Lol. We can share always the job

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Yea my bad. Maximum of 250W. (but im doesnt PCI-e version 2 raise the maximum power draw of 75w to something much more higher?)

The PCI-SIG website is a bit confusing and you can't download the spec sheets without being a member. But from what I can gather:

PCIe 1.0 - Supplies 75W through the slot
PCIe 1.0 x16 Graphics 150W-ATX Spec 1.0 - Supplies 150W through the slot
PCIe 2.0 - Supplies 225W through the slot

Thanks. R600 is supposedly rumoured to be PCIe 2.0 compliant. Not sure how that will pan out though.

Although it will be nice having the extra power that can be delivered through the slot, coming in under 225W isn't a requirement to be PCIe 2.0 compliant. Current video cards are PCIe 1.0 compliant, yet draw considerably more than 75W.

One of the main improvements coming from v2.0 is that each lane now can handle 5 GT/s, which is double that of PCIe v1.1 Which means a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot will have a peak bandwidth of 16 GB/s. Also, PCIe 2.0 brings new features to the table which will allow the OS to adjust the PCIe link speed and be able to report the link speed and width. As expected, PCIe 2.0 will be backwards compatible with PCIe 1.0 and 1.1

 

[Gstanfor]

Text

Originally Posted by CJ
It seems that today some more info has surfaced.

R600 will be launched at Cebit. The press will get to see the R600 at the end of February. One week after the Cebit the R600 will be available for everyone to buy. Claims are that the R600 is 5 to 10% faster in DX10 applications than the G80. Note the DX10 claim and no mention of DX9 performance compared to G80.

CJ has a pretty good track record where rumors are concerned. AMD/ATi had better be hiding a big DX9 performance suprise given the rumored specs, size, cooling and process requirements of R600.

5 - 10 extra performance simply isn't enough to convince most people (performance crazed fanboys excepted) to buy, you generally need *at least* a 20% differential. Contrary to what some in this forum believe absolute performance simply isn't important to most people - otherwise ATi demonstrably would not find themselves in the situation they have occupied since NV40 launched (yes, the competing Ati product all the way up to G80 may have been a tad faster, but that didn't stop nvidia from absolutely steamrollering ATi sales, marketshare and profit wise).

I'm reminded of a certain other defunct 3D accelerator maker who loved to focus upon performance above all else as did its fanbase (who now largely support Ati). They found themselves in similar circumstances and failed to get out...

 

[Agent11]

When I look at how much 1900/1950xt's are going for I cringe. . Much like I cringe when I look at the price of AM2 dual cores.

Amd doesn't like to play the price war game, I think it's hurting their sales.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: Agent11
When I look at how much 1900/1950xt's are going for I cringe. . Much like I cringe when I look at the price of AM2 dual cores.

Amd doesn't like to play the price war game, I think it's hurting their sales.

It could be hurting sales but both in an aggressive price war means less profitability and less spending on R&D...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Text

Originally Posted by CJ
It seems that today some more info has surfaced.

R600 will be launched at Cebit. The press will get to see the R600 at the end of February. One week after the Cebit the R600 will be available for everyone to buy. Claims are that the R600 is 5 to 10% faster in DX10 applications than the G80. Note the DX10 claim and no mention of DX9 performance compared to G80.

CJ has a pretty good track record where rumors are concerned. AMD/ATi had better be hiding a big DX9 performance suprise given the rumored specs, size, cooling and process requirements of R600.

5 - 10 extra performance simply isn't enough to convince most people (performance crazed fanboys excepted) to buy, you generally need *at least* a 20% differential. Contrary to what some in this forum believe absolute performance simply isn't important to most people - otherwise ATi demonstrably would not find themselves in the situation they have occupied since NV40 launched (yes, the competing Ati product all the way up to G80 may have been a tad faster, but that didn't stop nvidia from absolutely steamrollering ATi sales, marketshare and profit wise).

I'm reminded of a certain other defunct 3D accelerator maker who loved to focus upon performance above all else as did its fanbase (who now largely support Ati). They found themselves in similar circumstances and failed to get out...

[in bold] :shocked:
[i had to look twice to see WHO wrote that!]


nvidia focuses upon performance above else ... at least their crazed fanboys do ... when they have the performance edge ... in this case with the 8800 series

and you're correct, i think ... i believe DAAMiT is probably aiming for +20%

and i don't believe ATi can go the 'way' of 3dfx ...
...
anymore ...
IF intel purchased 3dfx, they probably would be alive right now and intels IG might have been better ... but who knows? i wouldn't have happened under any circumstances - back then.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Text

Originally Posted by CJ

5 - 10 extra performance simply isn't enough to convince most people (performance crazed fanboys excepted) to buy, you generally need *at least* a 20% differential. Contrary to what some in this forum believe absolute performance simply isn't important to most people - otherwise ATi demonstrably would not find themselves in the situation they have occupied since NV40 launched (yes, the competing Ati product all the way up to G80 may have been a tad faster, but that didn't stop nvidia from absolutely steamrollering ATi sales, marketshare and profit wise).

That's a very good point. There were people that bought that 7900GTX simply because it had a better cooler and ran cooler - the small performance delta between it and the X1900XTX didn't mean much to them.

By the time X2800XTX launches, what will the pricing be? $500 for the nV and $650 for the ATi? Will a 10% performance boost justify the 30% price difference? How many people, that own 650/680 motherboard will think, "I know I don't need SLI but it's nice to know my motherboard has the option so maybe I should go with nV?"

There better be some pretty hefty gains in DirectX 9. "Play all your games at 2 mega-pixels with all eye-candy enabled" is what comes to mind when you hear the words '8800GTX'. R600 will have to have AF just as good (or better), some new AA modes (16X Coverage Sampling sounds too awesome in a features list) AND a 20% performance increase to sell well at the $650 price point that it will inevitably launch at.

 

[apoppin]

i report bad news for ATi also

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37153

AMD loses half a billion bucks

CHIP FIRM AMD turned in its Q4 results and recorded a net loss of $574 million with revenues falling only by 3.5% to $1.77 billion. Its gross margin was down at the deck at around 36%, when you subtract charges.

AMD said half a billion of charges was taken in acquiring ATI and it spent a bit of money on share compensation expenses to the tune of a piffling $27 million.

 

[Nelsieus]

Beyond3D verifies (or actually reports verification) of the Q1 launch date.

While it doesn't confirm Cebit, it atleast lets us know current plans seem to be on schedule.

http://www.beyond3d.com/#news37931

Nelsieus

 

[Killrose]

New Inquirer R600 rumor: Rumor

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Text

Originally Posted by CJ
It seems that today some more info has surfaced.

R600 will be launched at Cebit. The press will get to see the R600 at the end of February. One week after the Cebit the R600 will be available for everyone to buy. Claims are that the R600 is 5 to 10% faster in DX10 applications than the G80. Note the DX10 claim and no mention of DX9 performance compared to G80.

CJ has a pretty good track record where rumors are concerned. AMD/ATi had better be hiding a big DX9 performance suprise given the rumored specs, size, cooling and process requirements of R600.

5 - 10 extra performance simply isn't enough to convince most people (performance crazed fanboys excepted) to buy, you generally need *at least* a 20% differential. Contrary to what some in this forum believe absolute performance simply isn't important to most people - otherwise ATi demonstrably would not find themselves in the situation they have occupied since NV40 launched (yes, the competing Ati product all the way up to G80 may have been a tad faster, but that didn't stop nvidia from absolutely steamrollering ATi sales, marketshare and profit wise).

I'm reminded of a certain other defunct 3D accelerator maker who loved to focus upon performance above all else as did its fanbase (who now largely support Ati). They found themselves in similar circumstances and failed to get out...

[in bold] :shocked:
[i had to look twice to see WHO wrote that!]


nvidia focuses upon performance above else ... at least their crazed fanboys do ... when they have the performance edge ... in this case with the 8800 series

and you're correct, i think ... i believe DAAMiT is probably aiming for +20%

and i don't believe ATi can go the 'way' of 3dfx ...
...
anymore ...
IF intel purchased 3dfx, they probably would be alive right now and intels IG might have been better ... but who knows? i wouldn't have happened under any circumstances - back then.

I have never, ever denied that ATi may be slightly faster than nvidia. I, like 99.9% of the rest of the population simply don't care if they are or are not. There is a lot more to video cards than pure speed as 3dfx discovered to their cost.

 

[MemberSince97]

Ruby's lip are sweet , I just want a Hi Def pic of her pimply bum

 

[BFG10K]

There is a lot more to video cards than pure speed as 3dfx discovered to their cost.

VSA-100 derivatives never had the speed crown and 3dfx were pushing AA which took the IQ crown at the time.

3dfx went under because VSA-100 was late.

 

[Gstanfor]

VSA100 + derivatives came after the arrogance & FPS focus had already fatally wounded 3dfx and were the (poor) beginnings of a frantic effort to dig themselves out of the hellpit they had dug for themselves. The damage however was already done.

The Voodoo 4 series showed just how unsuited VSA100 was to a company wide recovery.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
VSA100 + derivatives came after the arrogance & FPS focus had already fatally wounded 3dfx and were the (poor) beginnings of a frantic effort to dig themselves out of the hellpit they had dug for themselves. The damage however was already done.

The Voodoo 4 series showed just how unsuited VSA100 was to a company wide recovery.

The ViRGE was the greatest!

Mine still works Haven't tried it with Vista yet tho...

 

[sbuckler]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

That's a very good point. There were people that bought that 7900GTX simply because it had a better cooler and ran cooler - the small performance delta between it and the X1900XTX didn't mean much to them.

That's why I ended up with a 7900GTO not an X1900XT - I wanted a high end quiet card and ati just don't make them. Some manufacturers do make quieter ATI cards but charge a premium so the card is then too expensive. I bet noise alone has cost ATI a fair number of customers - here's hoping they finally learn how to make a stock silent cooler with the R600.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
VSA100 + derivatives came after the arrogance & FPS focus had already fatally wounded 3dfx and were the (poor) beginnings of a frantic effort to dig themselves out of the hellpit they had dug for themselves. The damage however was already done.

The Voodoo 4 series showed just how unsuited VSA100 was to a company wide recovery.

The ViRGE was the greatest!

Mine still works Haven't tried it with Vista yet tho...

You would be horrified to learn just how many Virge's are still in active service around the world (and not just the poor parts of the world either). I can assure you (and others in this forum) that just because a few of the members here (and in other forums) like to upgrade every time a new highend card come out, it does not follow that the vast majority of consumers automatically do so as well -- quite the contrary in fact!

 

[GTaudiophile]

According to theInq, R600 is now in final silicon:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37155

 

[imported_cinder]

^^^^repost^^^^

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Text

Originally Posted by CJ
It seems that today some more info has surfaced.

R600 will be launched at Cebit. The press will get to see the R600 at the end of February. One week after the Cebit the R600 will be available for everyone to buy. Claims are that the R600 is 5 to 10% faster in DX10 applications than the G80. Note the DX10 claim and no mention of DX9 performance compared to G80.

CJ has a pretty good track record where rumors are concerned. AMD/ATi had better be hiding a big DX9 performance suprise given the rumored specs, size, cooling and process requirements of R600.

5 - 10 extra performance simply isn't enough to convince most people (performance crazed fanboys excepted) to buy, you generally need *at least* a 20% differential. Contrary to what some in this forum believe absolute performance simply isn't important to most people - otherwise ATi demonstrably would not find themselves in the situation they have occupied since NV40 launched (yes, the competing Ati product all the way up to G80 may have been a tad faster, but that didn't stop nvidia from absolutely steamrollering ATi sales, marketshare and profit wise).

I'm reminded of a certain other defunct 3D accelerator maker who loved to focus upon performance above all else as did its fanbase (who now largely support Ati). They found themselves in similar circumstances and failed to get out...

[in bold] :shocked:
[i had to look twice to see WHO wrote that!]


nvidia focuses upon performance above else ... at least their crazed fanboys do ... when they have the performance edge ... in this case with the 8800 series

and you're correct, i think ... i believe DAAMiT is probably aiming for +20%

and i don't believe ATi can go the 'way' of 3dfx ...
...
anymore ...
IF intel purchased 3dfx, they probably would be alive right now and intels IG might have been better ... but who knows? i wouldn't have happened under any circumstances - back then.

I have never, ever denied that ATi may be slightly faster than nvidia. I, like 99.9% of the rest of the population simply don't care if they are or are not. There is a lot more to video cards than pure speed as 3dfx discovered to their cost.

:Q

then we had a lot of pointless discussions

i think more than 0.1 percent think the *performance crown* IS important ... and nvidia also seems to care

 

[Gstanfor]

I don't believe I have directly discussed ATi vs nvidia performance with you (or anyone else here), but feel free to prove me wrong if you can...

The only performance I generally comment on is driver performance, usually pertaining to combined mode AA and SLI mode AA on nvidia hardware and having nothing whatsoever to do with ATi/AMD.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I don't believe I have directly discussed ATi vs nvidia performance with you (or anyone else here), but feel free to prove me wrong if you can...

The only performance I generally comment on is driver performance, usually pertaining to combined mode AA and SLI mode AA on nvidia hardware and having nothing whatsoever to do with ATi/AMD.

it isn't worth it for me to try and *prove you wrong*

but thanks for the *offer*

and

perhaps i was mistaken

 

[Cookie Monster]

This is great news. R600 will hopefully reach us before April. If the march 8~9th release date is true, thats 4 months behind nVIDIA. (3.5months with the R520 last gen)

But it looks like the mid/low range could be also ready to be launched after the R600.

The GPU market is going to get interesting once again!