Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: JBT
Originally posted by: enz660hp
Another photo of OEM r600. This one is red
Crappy Pic of retail r600's power slots Seems to be dual 6-pin just like the 8800gtx.
And now here are some BENCHMARKS?!?!
Obviously the could be fake, and dont really represent top performance since the graph's # were tested with an fx55. Some q6700 benches at the bottom though....
dang that card is big... I think I might need a new case + PSU....
look at the smaller one ... 9.5 inches
more details:
R600XTX Dragonshead 2 spotted
Small and made for retail ... Dragonshead 2 ... is 9.5 inches (24 centimetres) long and this is the one that will make it into retail. We wrote about the card here. This is the OEM-only version.
To our surprise, Dragon's Head 2, a much smaller card should have the same clock speed as the massive 12.4 inch, full-length card. It also comes with 1024MB GDDR4 memory.
The card supports Vivo and comes with Dual DVI. It has a dual-slot heatsink and consumes 240W of power, some 30W less than the big mamma. It has two 2x3 standard PCIe connectors the same two you can see on the G80, Geforce 8800 GTX cards. It looks more like graphic cards we're used to seeing.
The good news is that many power supply units already have these 2x3 pin connectors. The cards based on this design should also be available late March.
240w ... 270w for the big one ...
personally i think DAAMiT is heading in the wrong direction [except performance] ...
if this *thing* doesn't kick the 8800GTX's butt ... it will a huge power-hungry disappointment
[i doubt it ... we'll probably see something *special* specifically from AMD on it and it will probably leave GTX in the Dust till they get their drivers right]
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Didn't ATI and nvidia say they were going to work on power consumption after this generation of cards? Does that mean they're going to improve power consumption on the next refesh like R680 or something or on their sucessor chip? I'd assume it'd be their successor chip but I was hoping otherwise...
Originally posted by: TheDrake
wow... I cant believe how many people are actually taking The Inquirer this seriously... I would never give them much, if any, credibility...
Radeon X2800XTX2 is ATI's dual R600 card at $600
The top-of-the-line card will be known as the Radeon X2800XTX2 and will be the same concept as Nvidia's GX2 card. So you can expect two R600 chips on a card. We don't know how DAAMIT plans to implement this, as we may be talking about two PCBs or maybe just one. Nvidia went for two PCBs last year with its Geforce 7950GX2 and our money is on ATI following a similar route.
We also have the rest of the specs, although final clocks may still change slightly. Both chips should end up clocked at 575MHz core and 2000MHz GDDR4 memory. This version has the 256-bit memory controller probably because of technical difficulties to make two chips work at 512-bit memory controller speed. The card is equipped with 2x512MB memory, a total of 1GB, and has two times 96-Shader units. It is made using a 80 nanometre process.
The best of all is that it will cost $600. This was ATI's best-kept secret so far but Nvidia is also doing some dual G80 card to compete this one.
The single R600 called Radeon 2X800XTX will be clocked at higher speeds with better specs. Stay tuned. Oh yes, this is how Quad Crossfire is actually going to work. Just plug two of these cards
the PCB design of these products pictured are identical to the final form factor, and around nine inches long. And there will be a special cooler, designed as a one-off.
We can now reveal to you that the board you have been seeing around the web is actually a specific design which has only one customer right now. The name of that customer is Apple and it will also be available in Crossfire mode.
While we have zero doubts that Dell XPS/Dellienware and some other parties will pick it up as well, right now, the nice red cooler design is just Apple's and Apple's alone.
Personally, I have no doubt that Voodoo PC will ship the R600 with its water-cooling block. The company decided to go with vapour chamber technology, or a 2D version of the traditional heatpipe concept we have all come to know and endure.
Vapour Chamber technology is pretty well known in the world of CPU cooling, thanks to the Danish company named Asetek, and its "VapoChill" systems which propelled CPUs beyond the limits of water-cooling.
Asetek also made a conventional VapoChill Micro cooler, and you can perhaps visualise the R600's cooler as the VapoChill Micro for the GPU. We don't know yet which firm will produce this cooler for AMD/ATI, but we suspect only one or two players are in the frame. Now, the power connector story is a pretty interesting one. At present, there is actually only one design for both OEM/SI and retail/AIBs, and that one is 8-pin/6-pin. You can use 6+6-pin configuration, but if you do not plug 8-pin/6-pin, the ATI Catalyst driver suite will forbid you to enter the "Overdrive Zone".
Yes, you've read it right - the R600XTX is coming out with a legal overclocking mode, no nonsense and limiting overclocking to its partners like some other companies have. The clocks have not been set yet. Even AMD is waiting until a couple of days before the launch before it makes that decision.
The current estimate is that the memory will float between 1 and 1.1GHz GDDR-4 memory in DDR mode (2.0-2.2 GHz), while the GPU clock will be set around 800MHz. Some say 826MHz, but we're not sure how far the Overdrive will go. We'd say not beyond 850 MHz, but that is just my personal opinion.
Our sources tell us that the clock bump should be around 10 per cent for the GPU and 14 per cent for the memory, bringing the total clock to 880/2400-2600. It is insane to see a 700M+ 80nm transistor chip run at such a high clock, especially given the limitations the G80 had with sub-700M chip and 90nm process, but this is an industry where anything that can happen will happen.
These estimates are for the A13 revision. As we wrote quite some time ago, AMD/ATI decided to re-spin the chip to solve some problems it had with the product. It turns out that those problems involved engineers trying to get as high a clock as possible and to try to lower the power consumption, which is pretty steep right now - but still within do-able limits.
The BIOS for the board is now a "smart" one - it will detect whether the GPU is leaking current and will throttle power to prevent thermal or electrical "episodes".
So, the R600XTX has a special OEM/SI design mostly for Apple, the retail versions won't come with water cooling, but rather advanced vapour chamber technology, and the board has 8/6-pin config but can be used with two 6-pin ones - in which case you'll lose the Overdrive feature and stay inside a 225W power envelope
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: TheDrake
wow... I cant believe how many people are actually taking The Inquirer this seriously... I would never give them much, if any, credibility...
why? ... because ATi and/or its partners *leak* info to them
and for Ati they generally have a good track record ... that's 'why'
so ... the *latest*
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37631Radeon X2800XTX2 is ATI's dual R600 card at $600
The top-of-the-line card will be known as the Radeon X2800XTX2 and will be the same concept as Nvidia's GX2 card. So you can expect two R600 chips on a card. We don't know how DAAMIT plans to implement this, as we may be talking about two PCBs or maybe just one. Nvidia went for two PCBs last year with its Geforce 7950GX2 and our money is on ATI following a similar route.
We also have the rest of the specs, although final clocks may still change slightly. Both chips should end up clocked at 575MHz core and 2000MHz GDDR4 memory. This version has the 256-bit memory controller probably because of technical difficulties to make two chips work at 512-bit memory controller speed. The card is equipped with 2x512MB memory, a total of 1GB, and has two times 96-Shader units. It is made using a 80 nanometre process.
The best of all is that it will cost $600. This was ATI's best-kept secret so far but Nvidia is also doing some dual G80 card to compete this one.
The single R600 called Radeon 2X800XTX will be clocked at higher speeds with better specs. Stay tuned. Oh yes, this is how Quad Crossfire is actually going to work. Just plug two of these cards
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37614
the PCB design of these products pictured are identical to the final form factor, and around nine inches long. And there will be a special cooler, designed as a one-off.
We can now reveal to you that the board you have been seeing around the web is actually a specific design which has only one customer right now. The name of that customer is Apple and it will also be available in Crossfire mode.
While we have zero doubts that Dell XPS/Dellienware and some other parties will pick it up as well, right now, the nice red cooler design is just Apple's and Apple's alone.
Personally, I have no doubt that Voodoo PC will ship the R600 with its water-cooling block. The company decided to go with vapour chamber technology, or a 2D version of the traditional heatpipe concept we have all come to know and endure.
Vapour Chamber technology is pretty well known in the world of CPU cooling, thanks to the Danish company named Asetek, and its "VapoChill" systems which propelled CPUs beyond the limits of water-cooling.
Asetek also made a conventional VapoChill Micro cooler, and you can perhaps visualise the R600's cooler as the VapoChill Micro for the GPU. We don't know yet which firm will produce this cooler for AMD/ATI, but we suspect only one or two players are in the frame. Now, the power connector story is a pretty interesting one. At present, there is actually only one design for both OEM/SI and retail/AIBs, and that one is 8-pin/6-pin. You can use 6+6-pin configuration, but if you do not plug 8-pin/6-pin, the ATI Catalyst driver suite will forbid you to enter the "Overdrive Zone".
Yes, you've read it right - the R600XTX is coming out with a legal overclocking mode, no nonsense and limiting overclocking to its partners like some other companies have. The clocks have not been set yet. Even AMD is waiting until a couple of days before the launch before it makes that decision.
The current estimate is that the memory will float between 1 and 1.1GHz GDDR-4 memory in DDR mode (2.0-2.2 GHz), while the GPU clock will be set around 800MHz. Some say 826MHz, but we're not sure how far the Overdrive will go. We'd say not beyond 850 MHz, but that is just my personal opinion.
Our sources tell us that the clock bump should be around 10 per cent for the GPU and 14 per cent for the memory, bringing the total clock to 880/2400-2600. It is insane to see a 700M+ 80nm transistor chip run at such a high clock, especially given the limitations the G80 had with sub-700M chip and 90nm process, but this is an industry where anything that can happen will happen.
These estimates are for the A13 revision. As we wrote quite some time ago, AMD/ATI decided to re-spin the chip to solve some problems it had with the product. It turns out that those problems involved engineers trying to get as high a clock as possible and to try to lower the power consumption, which is pretty steep right now - but still within do-able limits.
The BIOS for the board is now a "smart" one - it will detect whether the GPU is leaking current and will throttle power to prevent thermal or electrical "episodes".
So, the R600XTX has a special OEM/SI design mostly for Apple, the retail versions won't come with water cooling, but rather advanced vapour chamber technology, and the board has 8/6-pin config but can be used with two 6-pin ones - in which case you'll lose the Overdrive feature and stay inside a 225W power envelope
you think they are making all this up?
:roll:
i believe it will ... and then GTX8900 will be announced to steal its 'thunder' ... ad infinitumOriginally posted by: 5150Joker
If that info about the R600 is true, then it's going to pwn. I'll probably pick up the crossfire vresion with a new mainboard and C2D setup. Hopefully Quake Wars is released shortly afterwards because all that power is useless without any games.
Originally posted by: apoppin
i expect 90% of what theInq now posts is accurate about r600 ... r600 is a couple of weeks away
otOh .. they are not at all accurate regarding nvidia future offerings
and theInq isn't the only source of this ... i see 'other places' leaking identical info ... just not gonna post those
:Q
Originally posted by: apoppin
i am only talking about stuff out in the last three or 4 days ... 90% correct.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37638
Radeon X2800XTX will work at 750MHz/2200MHz
Six cards listed with specs and prices
i *won't* post the details
DON'T click on it
after all you think they are 2/3rds wrong
Radeon X2600XT and X2300 details elaborated
RV630 is going to be known as the Radeon X2600XT and PRO. Radeon X2600XT is going to end up clocked at 650MHz core and 1600MHz GDDR3 memory with 256MB memory and 64 Shaders. To our surprise the card only supports a 128-bit memory interface. It should cost around $200. This will be ATI's first 65 nanometre chip.
The Radeon X2600PRO will end up witha 550MHz core clock with 1400MHz GDDR3 memory and a 128-bit memory interface. The card also has 64 Shader units, so sixteen more than the R580 current high-end chip. It is priced at $150.
Radeons X2300XT, PRO and LE are RV610. The top-of-the-line Radeon X2300XT is clocked at 650MHz and has the memory ticking away at 1400MHz. The card uses GDDR3 memory with a 128-bit memory controller and has 32 Shader units. It is another 65 nanometre chip and the card will sell for $100.
Necxt up is the Radeon X2300PRO with 500MHz core and 1400MHz GDDR3 memory with 128-bit memory controller. It has 32 Shader units, 65 nanometre and the 256MB version will sell for $80 while the 128Mbyter should sell for $70.
The last in this DirectX 10 mainstream and low-end, unified Shader line-up is the Radeon X2300LE. This card will end up clocked at 500MHz core and 800MHz memory. It uses 128MB of 128-bit GDDR 2 memory and will have 32 Shader units. The chip is 65nm, very low power consuming and will sell for around $60. A Direct X 10 card for $60 sounds like a nice bargain for Vista.
There cards are expected to launch after around the beginning of May
Originally posted by: apoppin
you think they are making all this up?
:roll:
Originally posted by: TheDrake
Originally posted by: apoppin
you think they are making all this up?
:roll:
Apparently you all dont know The Inquirer.... They are paid to make up anything that sounds plausible. The fact of the matter remains that their track record is horrible on valid information. I am not necessarily saying what they are stating about ATI is false, but I would hold it with a grain of salt.
VR-Zone has learned that the official marketing name for R600 will be Radeon X2900 series and we will start using the name from now on. We can expect AMD to launch Radeon X2900XTX and XT first while X2900XL will follow later. The recent leaked R6xx series chart with pricing contains lots of false information is all we can say. RV610 and RV630 are 65nm and RV610 has 64-bit memory interface.
Originally posted by: TheDrake
Originally posted by: apoppin
you think they are making all this up?
:roll:
Apparently you all dont know The Inquirer.... They are paid to make up anything that sounds plausible. The fact of the matter remains that their track record is horrible on valid information. I am not necessarily saying what they are stating about ATI is false, but I would hold it with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by: apoppin
it's *tomorrow*
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37657Radeon X2600XT and X2300 details elaborated
RV630 is going to be known as the Radeon X2600XT and PRO. Radeon X2600XT is going to end up clocked at 650MHz core and 1600MHz GDDR3 memory with 256MB memory and 64 Shaders. To our surprise the card only supports a 128-bit memory interface. It should cost around $200. This will be ATI's first 65 nanometre chip.
The Radeon X2600PRO will end up witha 550MHz core clock with 1400MHz GDDR3 memory and a 128-bit memory interface. The card also has 64 Shader units, so sixteen more than the R580 current high-end chip. It is priced at $150.
Radeons X2300XT, PRO and LE are RV610. The top-of-the-line Radeon X2300XT is clocked at 650MHz and has the memory ticking away at 1400MHz. The card uses GDDR3 memory with a 128-bit memory controller and has 32 Shader units. It is another 65 nanometre chip and the card will sell for $100.
Necxt up is the Radeon X2300PRO with 500MHz core and 1400MHz GDDR3 memory with 128-bit memory controller. It has 32 Shader units, 65 nanometre and the 256MB version will sell for $80 while the 128Mbyter should sell for $70.
The last in this DirectX 10 mainstream and low-end, unified Shader line-up is the Radeon X2300LE. This card will end up clocked at 500MHz core and 800MHz memory. It uses 128MB of 128-bit GDDR 2 memory and will have 32 Shader units. The chip is 65nm, very low power consuming and will sell for around $60. A Direct X 10 card for $60 sounds like a nice bargain for Vista.
There cards are expected to launch after around the beginning of May
thanks for the coolbits tip ... will save me a lot of time when i o/c it
Originally posted by: enz660hp
what the hell is vapo-chamber cooling? Phase Change? How will it fit?