Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Bah Modular PSU's are overrated I'd rather have the cables coming straight out the back and just do some good cable management than risk having one of those plugs coming undone or just the fact they raise resistance
Tagan U22 480W FTW!!!! but maybe I'm just bias
High efficiency of about 80% under wide load range (30-100%) minimizes your electricity bill.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Modular cables--- An interview with the founder and CEO of PCPC--
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/interview.php
Technically Speaking
An Interview With Doug Dodson, President & Founder Of PC Power & Cooling
CPU: Modular power supplies seem to be gaining a lot of traction in the market, but PCP&C doesn?t make any modular designs. Why?
##this is one excerpt from the whole article##
Dodson: Yeah, it?s real popular, but the industry hasn?t done anything to educate people about modular plugs. The pins that are used in the modular plugs have a very low capacity to pass current. You?re losing power through those pins. It?s electrical resistance between the male and the female part of the pin, to the extent that the voltage drop in just the pins is equivalent to about two feet of wire. The effect is that modular power supplies, everything else being equal, are capable of about 10% less power than power supplies without modular plugs. And that?s under ideal conditions. In real life it gets worse because the pins loosen, corrode, and burn. Over time the resistance builds up. A year down the road, a guy could be running his system and all of a sudden it stops working reliably, and he has no way of knowing that the reason is because the pin inside that modular plug has become corroded or burned. This technique has been out for about six months, but people are going to find that the reliability is a massive failure point. Also, especially given the way people pull their harnesses around and tie them down, it creates a lot of stress on those pins. So instead of the pins having full 100% contact surface to surface, in most cases those pins are only touching maybe 10% or 30% of their surface area. What?s rated for 5A going through those pins, in reality if the pins aren?t making good contact, your rating?s down to maybe 3A, and with that much constriction, those pins just heat up, and it gets worse. For real pros in the industry, no way would they specify that kind of arrangement. This is a consumer-oriented gimmick.
Interesting article
Originally posted by: drx
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Modular cables--- An interview with the founder and CEO of PCPC--
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/interview.php
Technically Speaking
An Interview With Doug Dodson, President & Founder Of PC Power & Cooling
CPU: Modular power supplies seem to be gaining a lot of traction in the market, but PCP&C doesn?t make any modular designs. Why?
##this is one excerpt from the whole article##
Dodson: Yeah, it?s real popular, but the industry hasn?t done anything to educate people about modular plugs. The pins that are used in the modular plugs have a very low capacity to pass current. You?re losing power through those pins. It?s electrical resistance between the male and the female part of the pin, to the extent that the voltage drop in just the pins is equivalent to about two feet of wire. The effect is that modular power supplies, everything else being equal, are capable of about 10% less power than power supplies without modular plugs. And that?s under ideal conditions. In real life it gets worse because the pins loosen, corrode, and burn. Over time the resistance builds up. A year down the road, a guy could be running his system and all of a sudden it stops working reliably, and he has no way of knowing that the reason is because the pin inside that modular plug has become corroded or burned. This technique has been out for about six months, but people are going to find that the reliability is a massive failure point. Also, especially given the way people pull their harnesses around and tie them down, it creates a lot of stress on those pins. So instead of the pins having full 100% contact surface to surface, in most cases those pins are only touching maybe 10% or 30% of their surface area. What?s rated for 5A going through those pins, in reality if the pins aren?t making good contact, your rating?s down to maybe 3A, and with that much constriction, those pins just heat up, and it gets worse. For real pros in the industry, no way would they specify that kind of arrangement. This is a consumer-oriented gimmick.
Interesting article
That sounds like total bullshit. Isn't every connection in the computer using pins just like a modular psu? When have those ever corroded or burned, or when have we worried about losing power across them?
Correct me if I am wrong but that "interview" sounds like the marketing "gimmick" here.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Modular cables--- An interview with the founder and CEO of PCPC--
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/interview.php
Technically Speaking
An Interview With Doug Dodson, President & Founder Of PC Power & Cooling
CPU: Modular power supplies seem to be gaining a lot of traction in the market, but PCP&C doesn?t make any modular designs. Why?
##this is one excerpt from the whole article##
Dodson: Yeah, it?s real popular, but the industry hasn?t done anything to educate people about modular plugs. The pins that are used in the modular plugs have a very low capacity to pass current. You?re losing power through those pins. It?s electrical resistance between the male and the female part of the pin, to the extent that the voltage drop in just the pins is equivalent to about two feet of wire. The effect is that modular power supplies, everything else being equal, are capable of about 10% less power than power supplies without modular plugs. And that?s under ideal conditions. In real life it gets worse because the pins loosen, corrode, and burn. Over time the resistance builds up. A year down the road, a guy could be running his system and all of a sudden it stops working reliably, and he has no way of knowing that the reason is because the pin inside that modular plug has become corroded or burned. This technique has been out for about six months, but people are going to find that the reliability is a massive failure point. Also, especially given the way people pull their harnesses around and tie them down, it creates a lot of stress on those pins. So instead of the pins having full 100% contact surface to surface, in most cases those pins are only touching maybe 10% or 30% of their surface area. What?s rated for 5A going through those pins, in reality if the pins aren?t making good contact, your rating?s down to maybe 3A, and with that much constriction, those pins just heat up, and it gets worse. For real pros in the industry, no way would they specify that kind of arrangement. This is a consumer-oriented gimmick.
Interesting article
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: drx
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Modular cables--- An interview with the founder and CEO of PCPC--
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/interview.php
Technically Speaking
An Interview With Doug Dodson, President & Founder Of PC Power & Cooling
CPU: Modular power supplies seem to be gaining a lot of traction in the market, but PCP&C doesn?t make any modular designs. Why?
##this is one excerpt from the whole article##
Dodson: Yeah, it?s real popular, but the industry hasn?t done anything to educate people about modular plugs. The pins that are used in the modular plugs have a very low capacity to pass current. You?re losing power through those pins. It?s electrical resistance between the male and the female part of the pin, to the extent that the voltage drop in just the pins is equivalent to about two feet of wire. The effect is that modular power supplies, everything else being equal, are capable of about 10% less power than power supplies without modular plugs. And that?s under ideal conditions. In real life it gets worse because the pins loosen, corrode, and burn. Over time the resistance builds up. A year down the road, a guy could be running his system and all of a sudden it stops working reliably, and he has no way of knowing that the reason is because the pin inside that modular plug has become corroded or burned. This technique has been out for about six months, but people are going to find that the reliability is a massive failure point. Also, especially given the way people pull their harnesses around and tie them down, it creates a lot of stress on those pins. So instead of the pins having full 100% contact surface to surface, in most cases those pins are only touching maybe 10% or 30% of their surface area. What?s rated for 5A going through those pins, in reality if the pins aren?t making good contact, your rating?s down to maybe 3A, and with that much constriction, those pins just heat up, and it gets worse. For real pros in the industry, no way would they specify that kind of arrangement. This is a consumer-oriented gimmick.
Interesting article
That sounds like total bullshit. Isn't every connection in the computer using pins just like a modular psu? When have those ever corroded or burned, or when have we worried about losing power across them?
Correct me if I am wrong but that "interview" sounds like the marketing "gimmick" here.
You know how many SATA connector's i've broken? cheap pieces of sh!t I swear...I've had a few molexs go bad on me after switching them multiple times...i think the point is if you know anything about electrical resistance, making another thing to plug just adds to the chances of something going wrong, it's not all marketing FUD some of it is true, especially if you swap parts or are doing work inside your case often...it's somewhat true somewhat marketing...
Originally posted by: drx
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: drx
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Modular cables--- An interview with the founder and CEO of PCPC--
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/interview.php
Technically Speaking
An Interview With Doug Dodson, President & Founder Of PC Power & Cooling
CPU: Modular power supplies seem to be gaining a lot of traction in the market, but PCP&C doesn?t make any modular designs. Why?
##this is one excerpt from the whole article##
Dodson: Yeah, it?s real popular, but the industry hasn?t done anything to educate people about modular plugs. The pins that are used in the modular plugs have a very low capacity to pass current. You?re losing power through those pins. It?s electrical resistance between the male and the female part of the pin, to the extent that the voltage drop in just the pins is equivalent to about two feet of wire. The effect is that modular power supplies, everything else being equal, are capable of about 10% less power than power supplies without modular plugs. And that?s under ideal conditions. In real life it gets worse because the pins loosen, corrode, and burn. Over time the resistance builds up. A year down the road, a guy could be running his system and all of a sudden it stops working reliably, and he has no way of knowing that the reason is because the pin inside that modular plug has become corroded or burned. This technique has been out for about six months, but people are going to find that the reliability is a massive failure point. Also, especially given the way people pull their harnesses around and tie them down, it creates a lot of stress on those pins. So instead of the pins having full 100% contact surface to surface, in most cases those pins are only touching maybe 10% or 30% of their surface area. What?s rated for 5A going through those pins, in reality if the pins aren?t making good contact, your rating?s down to maybe 3A, and with that much constriction, those pins just heat up, and it gets worse. For real pros in the industry, no way would they specify that kind of arrangement. This is a consumer-oriented gimmick.
Interesting article
That sounds like total bullshit. Isn't every connection in the computer using pins just like a modular psu? When have those ever corroded or burned, or when have we worried about losing power across them?
Correct me if I am wrong but that "interview" sounds like the marketing "gimmick" here.
You know how many SATA connector's i've broken? cheap pieces of sh!t I swear...I've had a few molexs go bad on me after switching them multiple times...i think the point is if you know anything about electrical resistance, making another thing to plug just adds to the chances of something going wrong, it's not all marketing FUD some of it is true, especially if you swap parts or are doing work inside your case often...it's somewhat true somewhat marketing...
Well, the point of a modular psu is not so you can unplug everything when you need to, just so you don't have any wiring that is unecessary. So being worried about breaking connectors on the psu is pretty pointless. Besides, I've never broken any power connector in a pc and I don't think I'm the exception, not sure what your doing to achieve that.
All this aside, my main point is that the added resistance and loss of power across the connectors is negligible and using that as a reason for not purchasing a modular psu is FUD and FUD only.
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Mr. Dodson also does not seem to have noticed (or conveniently neglected to mention) that certain companies gold-plate their connector crimps to eliminate corrosion and improve electrical connectivity. I see the points he's trying to make, but it's looking a little shaky. Not that they don't have righteous PSUs to offer, and plenty to be proud of, but it smells like broad generalizations at best.
Originally posted by: Zarubable
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Mr. Dodson also does not seem to have noticed (or conveniently neglected to mention) that certain companies gold-plate their connector crimps to eliminate corrosion and improve electrical connectivity. I see the points he's trying to make, but it's looking a little shaky. Not that they don't have righteous PSUs to offer, and plenty to be proud of, but it smells like broad generalizations at best.
Who gold plates there connection crimps?
Just asking seeing as how I am learing about PSU`s.
At present I have a seasonic.
I am saving for a PC Power and cooling PSU.!
Antec's TruePower family comes to mind. I believe Enermax was doing so even earlier than that, though.Who gold plates there connection crimps?
Originally posted by: Zarubable
impressed by what? your grasp of the english language?
or the fact that all you do post is meaningless dribble?