new evidence detailing how Saddam's government sought to curry favor with France and Russia in 2002

CADsortaGUY

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Oil-for-fools

congressional committee has released documents purporting to contain new evidence detailing how Saddam Hussein's government sought to curry favor with France and Russia in 2002 by exploiting the U.N. oil-for-food program. It was the second time in as many days that a congressional committee had distributed papers related to oil-for-food. There are at least four such congressional probes studying the extent to which Saddam manipulated the $64 billion program to peddle influence and steal billions of dollars.

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The documents released Thursday from a subcommittee of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce claim to show that in 2002 the Iraqi Intelligence Service drew up lists of French and Russian officials whom it hoped to influence. Iraqi intelligence hoped they would push the world body to lift crippling sanctions imposed in 1991 following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

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It's good to see the investigation is continuing and that it wont be swept under the rug or forgotten. If the UN wants to be taken seriously it needs to allow a full and thorough investigation. No, none of this makes any participation by the US "ok" so don't even attempt to claim I'm trying to do such(you know who you are).

CsG
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Gee I never would have guessed at this!

But why isnt this scandal mentioned much in the MSM?

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
And a Houston oil company had a big hand in making it all happen:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3183233

Yep, and? The investigation is going to flush out all who were involved. I just hope that in the end the UN will open up for a full investigation and reform itself due to it's readily apparent corruption. I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen due to who is in charge at the UN and his "interesting" connections to the whole deal.

CsG
 

SuperTool

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Yes, let's keep digging. Houston oil company is a good start to find out who else on US side is involved.
 

arsbanned

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Meh. The U.S. lost the high ground when it defied the ROW and attacked Iraq for no reason. In light of our own immoral behavior what right have we got to question others? That's right: None whatsoever.

Hell our own Senators can't even get information out of the administration, how can you expect the UN to be held to a different standard. You're the poster child for hypocrisy.
 

NJDevil

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Jun 10, 2002
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Sigh ... everyone is so quick to blame the UN, and they should be blamed

I always have to search for this silly link whenever one of you guys brings this up:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/02/iraq.oil.smuggle/index.html

edit: Forgot to mention that since we were complacent (our government was, not just companies) we are at huge fault too. It's really easy blaming the UN rather than blaming the US government, and while I have no problem blaming both, lots of people (on this board especially) like to focus on the UN side.
 

SuperTool

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Come on, Houston oil company making nice bank selling Iraqi oil for Russia under the radar of the US government, at the same time when certain dirty Houston congressman very friendly to the oil business is making Russian lobbyist paid trips to Russia. Nothing there? Maybe, but it's worth digging deeper to find out. It would just be priceless if the GOP leadership had a hand in the oil for food "scandal" they've been trying to dredge up.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: conjur
And a Houston oil company had a big hand in making it all happen:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3183233


Dang, any chance to bash your countrymen?

I can see it now:

Scene 1 - Hank Wilkins is sentenced for the murder of 5 business associates

Judge Walkowski: In light of your gross crimes against humanity and this country, your lack of remorse for said crimes, and your continued contempt to the court and to your peers throughout the trial, I sentence you to life in prison without the possibility of parol.

Nutxo: Dang judge, any chance to bash your countrymen, eh?
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: conjur
And a Houston oil company had a big hand in making it all happen:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3183233


Dang, any chance to bash your countrymen?

I can see it now:

Scene 1 - Hank Wilkins is sentenced for the murder of 5 business associates

Judge Walkowski: In light of your gross crimes against humanity and this country, your lack of remorse for said crimes, and your continued contempt to the court and to your peers throughout the trial, I sentence you to life in prison without the possibility of parol.

Nutxo: Dang judge, any chance to bash your countrymen, eh?

Wow. that was stupid as fvck.


 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: conjur
And a Houston oil company had a big hand in making it all happen:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3183233


Dang, any chance to bash your countrymen?

I can see it now:

Scene 1 - Hank Wilkins is sentenced for the murder of 5 business associates

Judge Walkowski: In light of your gross crimes against humanity and this country, your lack of remorse for said crimes, and your continued contempt to the court and to your peers throughout the trial, I sentence you to life in prison without the possibility of parol.

Nutxo: Dang judge, any chance to bash your countrymen, eh?

...What?
 

kogase

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Just applying your own logic to a (somewhat absurd) hypothetical situation. Having disdain for conjur pointing out criminals... because they're American? By that logic we should punish no crime in this country perpetrated by Americans, because we'd be "bashing our countrymen".
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: conjur
And a Houston oil company had a big hand in making it all happen:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3183233
Dang, any chance to bash your countrymen?
I can see it now:

Scene 1 - Hank Wilkins is sentenced for the murder of 5 business associates

Judge Walkowski: In light of your gross crimes against humanity and this country, your lack of remorse for said crimes, and your continued contempt to the court and to your peers throughout the trial, I sentence you to life in prison without the possibility of parol.

Nutxo: Dang judge, any chance to bash your countrymen, eh?
Wow. I'm stupid as fvck.
Agreed.
 

nutxo

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May 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: conjur
And a Houston oil company had a big hand in making it all happen:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3183233
Dang, any chance to bash your countrymen?
I can see it now:

Scene 1 - Hank Wilkins is sentenced for the murder of 5 business associates

Judge Walkowski: In light of your gross crimes against humanity and this country, your lack of remorse for said crimes, and your continued contempt to the court and to your peers throughout the trial, I sentence you to life in prison without the possibility of parol.

Nutxo: Dang judge, any chance to bash your countrymen, eh?
Wow. I'm stupid as fvck.
Agreed.

Nice personal attack there.

 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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US 'backed illegal Iraqi oil deals'
Report claims blind eye was turned to sanctions busting by American firms
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1485546,00.html
The United States administration turned a blind eye to extensive sanctions-busting in the prewar sale of Iraqi oil, according to a new Senate investigation.

A report released last night by Democratic staff on a Senate investigations committee presents documentary evidence that the Bush administration was made aware of illegal oil sales and kickbacks paid to the Saddam Hussein regime but did nothing to stop them.

The scale of the shipments involved dwarfs those previously alleged by the Senate committee against UN staff and European politicians like the British MP, George Galloway, and the former French minister, Charles Pasqua.

In fact, the Senate report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil - more than the rest of the world put together.

"The United States was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions," the report said. "On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales.


The report is likely to ease pressure from conservative Republicans on Kofi Annan to resign from his post as UN secretary general.

The new findings are also likely to be raised when Mr Galloway appears before the Senate subcommittee on investigations today.

The Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow arrived yesterday in Washington demanding an apology from the Senate for what he called the "schoolboy dossier" passed off as an investigation against him.

"It was full of holes, full of falsehoods and full of value judgments that are apparently only shared here in Washington," he said at Washington Dulles airport.

He told Reuters: "I have no expectation of justice ... I come not as the accused but as the accuser. I am [going] to show just how absurd this report is."

Mr Galloway has denied allegations that he profited from Iraqi oil sales and will come face to face with the committee in what promises to be one of the most highly charged pieces of political theatre seen in Washington for some time.

Yesterday's report makes two principal allegations against the Bush administration. Firstly, it found the US treasury failed to take action against a Texas oil company, Bayoil, which facilitated payment of "at least $37m in illegal surcharges to the Hussein regime".

The surcharges were a violation of the UN Oil For Food programme, by which Iraq was allowed to sell heavily discounted oil to raise money for food and humanitarian supplies. However, Saddam was allowed to choose which companies were given the highly lucrative oil contracts. Between September 2000 and September 2002 (when the practice was stopped) the regime demanded kickbacks of 10 to 30 US cents a barrel in return for oil allocations.

In its second main finding, the report said the US military and the state department gave a tacit green light for shipments of nearly 8m barrels of oil bought by Jordan, a vital American ally, entirely outside the UN-monitored Oil For Food system. Jordan was permitted to buy some oil directly under strict conditions but these purchases appeared to be under the counter.

The report details a series of efforts by UN monitors to obtain information about Bayoil's oil shipments in 2001 and 2002, and the lack of help provided by the US treasury.

After repeated requests over eight months from the UN and the US state department, the treasury's office of foreign as sets control wrote to Bayoil in May 2002, requesting a report on its transactions but did not "request specific information by UN or direct Bayoil to answer the UN's questions".

Bayoil's owner, David Chalmers, has been charged over the company's activities. His lawyer Catherine Recker told the Washington Post: "Bayoil and David Chalmers [said] they have done nothing illegal and will vigorously defend these reckless accusations."

The Jordanian oil purchases were shipped in the weeks before the war, out of the Iraqi port of Khor al-Amaya, which was operating without UN approval or surveillance.

Investigators found correspondence showing that Odin Marine Inc, the US company chartering the seven huge tankers which picked up the oil at Khor al-Amaya, repeatedly sought and received approval from US military and civilian officials that the ships would not be confiscated by US Navy vessels in the Maritime Interdiction Force (MIF) enforcing the embargo.

Odin was reassured by a state department official that the US "was aware of the shipments and has determined not to take action".

The company's vice president, David Young, told investigators that a US naval officer at MIF told him that he "had no objections" to the shipments. "He said that he was sorry he could not say anything more. I told him I completely understood and did not expect him to say anything more," Mr Young said.

An executive at Odin Maritime confirmed the senate account of the oil shipments as "correct" but declined to comment further.

It was not clear last night whether the Democratic report would be accepted by Republicans on the Senate investigations committee.

The Pentagon declined to comment. The US representative's office at the UN referred inquiries to the state department, which fail to return calls.
Of course they failed to return phone calls. They have to circle the wagons and figure out how to spin and divert and setup their mass-mailing Talking Points for tomorrow.

Also helps explain that recent pardon of Chalabi by Jordan.
 

NJDevil

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haha, thanks for replying to my link where the US government even "condoned" this practice. Of course the UN is at fault, but admitting the US erred similarly puts one of their main points about the ineffectiveness of the UN in jeopardy. If the US knew about this and did nothing, how can we possibly call the UN completely impotent as a result of this, for aren't we just as weak for supporting it.

Again, to reiterate my main points, this was wrong, on both sides. I feel the UN needs some reform, but some are crying for the UN to be butchered by this, and how other nations suck ass because of this, ignoring our own mistakes in the same areas. Didn't we give Saddam weapons (as well as the Iranians) during that bloody conflict in the 80's? How many civilian deaths did US intervention in Latin America and other areas of the world cause? Please don't take this as America bashing, I came to this country when I was 4 years old (1989) and I love it here, but I'm just pointing out the faults that UN-haters hate to recognize.

Please, call for the reform of the UN, and I'll agree with you, but to put ourselves on the high ground in this sort of scenario is completely preposterous.

This is a great nation, but we have made our mistakes, and will continue to do so. Other nations also make mistakes. Are these mistakes so inexcusable that we have to boycott their imports, make fun of their people, etc? I think not, and I feel that most open minded people will agree (at least I hope so).

Just remember that everyone makes mistakes, and until we begin to take action in order to remedy our past errors, we have very little right to expect others to do the same.
 

imperium95

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Originally posted by: NJDevil
haha, thanks for replying to my link where the US government even "condoned" this practice. Of course the UN is at fault, but admitting the US erred similarly puts one of their main points about the ineffectiveness of the UN in jeopardy. If the US knew about this and did nothing, how can we possibly call the UN completely impotent as a result of this, for aren't we just as weak for supporting it.

Again, to reiterate my main points, this was wrong, on both sides. I feel the UN needs some reform, but some are crying for the UN to be butchered by this, and how other nations suck ass because of this, ignoring our own mistakes in the same areas. Didn't we give Saddam weapons (as well as the Iranians) during that bloody conflict in the 80's? How many civilian deaths did US intervention in Latin America and other areas of the world cause? Please don't take this as America bashing, I came to this country when I was 4 years old (1989) and I love it here, but I'm just pointing out the faults that UN-haters hate to recognize.

Please, call for the reform of the UN, and I'll agree with you, but to put ourselves on the high ground in this sort of scenario is completely preposterous.

This is a great nation, but we have made our mistakes, and will continue to do so. Other nations also make mistakes. Are these mistakes so inexcusable that we have to boycott their imports, make fun of their people, etc? I think not, and I feel that most open minded people will agree (at least I hope so).

Just remember that everyone makes mistakes, and until we begin to take action in order to remedy our past errors, we have very little right to expect others to do the same.


:thumbsup: Well said.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's good to see the investigation is continuing and that it wont be swept under the rug or forgotten. If the UN wants to be taken seriously it needs to allow a full and thorough investigation.
CsG
So when does the investigation into the U.S. role in the side oil sales begin?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: conjur
US 'backed illegal Iraqi oil deals'
Report claims blind eye was turned to sanctions busting by American firms
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1485546,00.html
The United States administration turned a blind eye to extensive sanctions-busting in the prewar sale of Iraqi oil, according to a new Senate investigation.

A report released last night by Democratic staff on a Senate investigations committee presents documentary evidence that the Bush administration was made aware of illegal oil sales and kickbacks paid to the Saddam Hussein regime but did nothing to stop them.

The scale of the shipments involved dwarfs those previously alleged by the Senate committee against UN staff and European politicians like the British MP, George Galloway, and the former French minister, Charles Pasqua.

In fact, the Senate report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil - more than the rest of the world put together.

"The United States was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions," the report said. "On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales.


The report is likely to ease pressure from conservative Republicans on Kofi Annan to resign from his post as UN secretary general.

The new findings are also likely to be raised when Mr Galloway appears before the Senate subcommittee on investigations today.

The Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow arrived yesterday in Washington demanding an apology from the Senate for what he called the "schoolboy dossier" passed off as an investigation against him.

"It was full of holes, full of falsehoods and full of value judgments that are apparently only shared here in Washington," he said at Washington Dulles airport.

He told Reuters: "I have no expectation of justice ... I come not as the accused but as the accuser. I am [going] to show just how absurd this report is."

Mr Galloway has denied allegations that he profited from Iraqi oil sales and will come face to face with the committee in what promises to be one of the most highly charged pieces of political theatre seen in Washington for some time.

Yesterday's report makes two principal allegations against the Bush administration. Firstly, it found the US treasury failed to take action against a Texas oil company, Bayoil, which facilitated payment of "at least $37m in illegal surcharges to the Hussein regime".

The surcharges were a violation of the UN Oil For Food programme, by which Iraq was allowed to sell heavily discounted oil to raise money for food and humanitarian supplies. However, Saddam was allowed to choose which companies were given the highly lucrative oil contracts. Between September 2000 and September 2002 (when the practice was stopped) the regime demanded kickbacks of 10 to 30 US cents a barrel in return for oil allocations.

In its second main finding, the report said the US military and the state department gave a tacit green light for shipments of nearly 8m barrels of oil bought by Jordan, a vital American ally, entirely outside the UN-monitored Oil For Food system. Jordan was permitted to buy some oil directly under strict conditions but these purchases appeared to be under the counter.

The report details a series of efforts by UN monitors to obtain information about Bayoil's oil shipments in 2001 and 2002, and the lack of help provided by the US treasury.

After repeated requests over eight months from the UN and the US state department, the treasury's office of foreign as sets control wrote to Bayoil in May 2002, requesting a report on its transactions but did not "request specific information by UN or direct Bayoil to answer the UN's questions".

Bayoil's owner, David Chalmers, has been charged over the company's activities. His lawyer Catherine Recker told the Washington Post: "Bayoil and David Chalmers [said] they have done nothing illegal and will vigorously defend these reckless accusations."

The Jordanian oil purchases were shipped in the weeks before the war, out of the Iraqi port of Khor al-Amaya, which was operating without UN approval or surveillance.

Investigators found correspondence showing that Odin Marine Inc, the US company chartering the seven huge tankers which picked up the oil at Khor al-Amaya, repeatedly sought and received approval from US military and civilian officials that the ships would not be confiscated by US Navy vessels in the Maritime Interdiction Force (MIF) enforcing the embargo.

Odin was reassured by a state department official that the US "was aware of the shipments and has determined not to take action".

The company's vice president, David Young, told investigators that a US naval officer at MIF told him that he "had no objections" to the shipments. "He said that he was sorry he could not say anything more. I told him I completely understood and did not expect him to say anything more," Mr Young said.

An executive at Odin Maritime confirmed the senate account of the oil shipments as "correct" but declined to comment further.

It was not clear last night whether the Democratic report would be accepted by Republicans on the Senate investigations committee.

The Pentagon declined to comment. The US representative's office at the UN referred inquiries to the state department, which fail to return calls.
Of course they failed to return phone calls. They have to circle the wagons and figure out how to spin and divert and setup their mass-mailing Talking Points for tomorrow.

Also helps explain that recent pardon of Chalabi by Jordan.

Great post. If there's oil to be bought somewhere in the world, the US has their greedy little fingers in the honey pot.

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