Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Okay, we've honked off the Jews with The Passion....... Check.
We've now honked off the Christians with Saved........... Check.
Okay now, what's in store for the Muslims?
nothing, everybody's scared they'll be blown up if they do something
Originally posted by: Fausto
My point was that Baptists set themselves up as targets for criticism because they are so extremely outspoken about certain issues. Every year is like "what outrageous crap will the SBC proclaim this time?" so of course people are going to take potshots at them.
Of course, your outrage is completely misguided, but you're not going to actually see the movie or read up on it anywhere besides WND, so just carry on with the trolling, I suppose.
LMAO...I only get to pick one?Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Originally posted by: Fausto
My point was that Baptists set themselves up as targets for criticism because they are so extremely outspoken about certain issues. Every year is like "what outrageous crap will the SBC proclaim this time?" so of course people are going to take potshots at them.
Of course, your outrage is completely misguided, but you're not going to actually see the movie or read up on it anywhere besides WND, so just carry on with the trolling, I suppose.
SBC 2003 Resolutions
OK, here's the resolutions from last year. Which one is "outrageous crap"?
Jup
Originally posted by: Fausto
LMAO...I only get to pick one?Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Originally posted by: Fausto
My point was that Baptists set themselves up as targets for criticism because they are so extremely outspoken about certain issues. Every year is like "what outrageous crap will the SBC proclaim this time?" so of course people are going to take potshots at them.
Of course, your outrage is completely misguided, but you're not going to actually see the movie or read up on it anywhere besides WND, so just carry on with the trolling, I suppose.
SBC 2003 Resolutions
OK, here's the resolutions from last year. Which one is "outrageous crap"?
Jup
Originally posted by: Fausto
My point was that Baptists set themselves up as targets for criticism because they are so extremely outspoken about certain issues. Every year is like "what outrageous crap will the SBC proclaim this time?" so of course people are going to take potshots at them.
Of course, your outrage is completely misguided, but you're not going to actually see the movie or read up on it anywhere besides WND, so just carry on with the trolling, I suppose.
A quick google turns up:
Keep your gay people off our boats!
Public schools are bad! Home-schooling or Christian Schools are better!
Typical: Preaching intolerance out of one side of your mouth while demanding tolerance for your group out of the other.Education offered by state-run schools "is officially Godless," the resolution said, and public schools are adopting curricula and policies "teaching that a homosexual lifestyle is acceptable."
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Don't wanna watch it? Then don't watch it.
I'm not gonna watch it anyway -- it has Macaulay Culkin in it. :disgust:
The AIDS/Uganda bit for starters. Abstinence as the primary means of preventing the spread of AIDS basically doesn't work. They have achieved success in this area through a variety of factors (notably a government not preoccupied with lining its own pockets) and changing the focus to a primarily abstinence-based agenda won't and doesn't work. I noticed a variety of christian websites harping on Uganda when the actual approach is outlined as follows (from CDC.gov):Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Originally posted by: Fausto
My point was that Baptists set themselves up as targets for criticism because they are so extremely outspoken about certain issues. Every year is like "what outrageous crap will the SBC proclaim this time?" so of course people are going to take potshots at them.
Of course, your outrage is completely misguided, but you're not going to actually see the movie or read up on it anywhere besides WND, so just carry on with the trolling, I suppose.
A quick google turns up:
Keep your gay people off our boats!
Public schools are bad! Home-schooling or Christian Schools are better!
Typical: Preaching intolerance out of one side of your mouth while demanding tolerance for your group out of the other.Education offered by state-run schools "is officially Godless," the resolution said, and public schools are adopting curricula and policies "teaching that a homosexual lifestyle is acceptable."
I see you have gone back and edited in some examples. However, these have not been voted on and do not represent the SBC. There are many proposed resolutions, but if you are going to attack the SBC, you will have to attack those resolutions which actually pass. Once again, here are the 2003 resolutions.. Which one is the outrageous crap you mentioned earlier?
Jup
Uganda was one of the first countries to recognize and respond to the AIDS epidemic. It is also one of the first to show a sustained decline in HIV/AIDS prevalence rates due to a rapid national response. Currently, 8% of the Ugandan population is HIV-infected, about half the rate in 1992. Still, 35,000 infants are infected with HIV each year.
Priority Needs Identified in Uganda
Incorporate special testing into surveillance activities, e.g., HSV-2 and an HIV incidence assay
Expand the number and geographic distribution of sentinel surveillance sites
Establish a national HIV reference laboratory that will conduct centralized surveillance activities, provide clinical testing, and provide training and quality assurance to local and district-level sites
Incorporate special populations, such as blood donors, persons receiving VCT, and refugees into routine surveillance
Introduce interventional surveillance at antenatal clinics where behavioral and biologic data will be collected at the individual level and nevirapine will be provided to women with HIV and their newborns
Introduce and evaluate the efficacy and cost of a cotrimoxazole program at The AIDS Support Organization (TASO)
Introduce and evaluate an INH prophylaxis program at the AIDS Information Centre (AIC)
Evaluate the effectiveness of providing at-home water chlorination kits to persons with AIDS in rural Uganda to reduce the incidence of diarrhea
Develop training manuals and handbooks on pediatric HIV/AIDS counseling and care for health workers, community members, and families
Evaluate the UNAIDS Drug Access Initiatives program
Prevention
Voluntary Testing and Counseling (VCT): Ugandan VCT protocols developed with CDC assistance serve as models for implementation in other countries.
Blood Safety: CDC is conducting a study of patients receiving blood transfusions to identify needs for blood bank screening mechanisms.
Mother-to-Child Transmission (MTCT): CDC funds 10 counselors for the MTCT program at the prenatal clinic in Mulago Hospital, which serves more than 34,000 women annually.
Model District Program (MDP): This CDC/USAID effort is developing comprehensive HIV services in 10 districts and establishing a model for scaling up programs. The MDP one-stop-shopping approach includes VCT, MTCT, AIDS care, orphan activities and surveillance.
Care and Treatment
TB: CDC collaborated with the national AIDS Information Center (AIC) to screen HIV patients for TB and implement a program to prevent dually infected persons from developing active TB.
Antiretrovirals (ARVs): A UNAIDS program to provide access to ARVs was initiated in 1998 in five treatment centers; CDC assists in laboratory-based patient monitoring.
Opportunistic Infections: CDC is working with The AIDS Support Organization (TASO) to implement and evaluate the potential benefits of a simple antibiotic, cotrimoxazole, in preventing opportunistic illnesses in persons with HIV/AIDS. CDC and TASO are also evaluating a home-based safe water system to prevent diarrhea among HIV-infected individuals.
Success in reducing the prevalence of HIV in Uganda is the result of a broad-based national effort backed up by firm political commitment, including the personal involvement of the head of state, President Yoweri Museveni. From the outset, the government involved religious and traditional leaders, community groups, NGOs, and all sectors of society, forging a consensus around the need to contain the escalating spread of HIV and provide care and support for those affected.
Sex education programmes in schools and on the radio focused on the need to negotiate safe sex and encouraged teenagers to delay the age at which they first have sex. Since 1990, a USAID-funded scheme to increase condom use through social marketing of condoms has boosted condom use from 7% nationwide to over 50% in rural areas and over 85% in urban areas. The social marketing scheme involved sales of condoms at subsidized prices or free distribution by both the government and the private sector. The scheme was also backed up by health education and other public information. Meanwhile more teenage girls reported condom use than any other age group -- a trend reflected in falling infection rates among 13-19 year old girls in Masaka, in rural Uganda. And among 15-year-old boys and girls, the proportion who had never had sex rose from about 20% to 50% between 1989 and 1995.
Condom use is also being encouraged among men who seek treatment for sexually transmitted infections. A new innovative social marketing scheme to promote the use of an STI self-treatment kit ("Clear Seven") has proved to be successful in treating STIs and preventing HIV infection. The kit, which contains a 14-day course of tablets, condoms, partner referral cards, and an information leaflet, is designed to improve STI treatment rates, prevent over-the-counter sales of inappropriate treatments, encourage partner referral, and reinforce condom use. The distribution system relies on the use of small retail outlets which are normally licensed to sell over-the-counter drugs but not antibiotics. The Ugandan Government has waived these restrictions to promote sales of Clear Seven, marketed at the subsidized price of US$ 1.35, and trained shopkeepers in the management of STIs. As a result, cure rates for urethritis have increased from 46% to 87% and condom use during treatment has more than doubled (from 32% to 65%).
Another innovation in Uganda was the launch in 1997 of same-day voluntary counselling and testing services. Up till then, clients had to wait two weeks for their HIV test results and up to 30% failed to return. Thousands of people who have taken advantage of same-day testing have since been recruited and trained as peer educators. So far, 180 000 people have been reached by the scheme and over a million condoms distributed.
Originally posted by: PatboyX
it a shame that the most powerful-influential group gets mocked.
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I'm a Christian. As long as it's done in a good-hearted manner and is fair, I have no problem with some ribbing. When the comedy is mean-spirited and spiteful, I think it borders on hate media.
When abstinence is the primary means of reducing transmission, then yes; it's crap.Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Hey Fausto
Ok, I gotcha. Baptist calling for abstinence based prevention of AIDS is "outrageous crap"?.
Or maybe Catholics and Baptists just happen to represent two of the most extreme Christian sects? Maybe?The fact that the CDC doesn't acknowledge the Harvard Univesity study does not mean the study is wrong, nor does it mean that those who accept the study (including catholics) are wrong.
Incidently, since both Catholics and Baptist accept this info, it certainly does not support your idea that this is "outrageous crap". In fact, this supports the idea that the SBC is right where it should be as a religious organization.
However, a Harvard Study reported here dissagrees. In fact, there is a tremendous amount of reporting on this all over the net.Originally posted by: Fausto
When abstinence is the primary means of reducing transmission, then yes; it's crap.Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Hey Fausto
Ok, I gotcha. Baptist calling for abstinence based prevention of AIDS is "outrageous crap"?.
Or maybe Catholics and Baptists just happen to represent two of the most extreme Christian sects? Maybe?[/quote]The fact that the CDC doesn't acknowledge the Harvard Univesity study does not mean the study is wrong, nor does it mean that those who accept the study (including catholics) are wrong.
Incidently, since both Catholics and Baptist accept this info, it certainly does not support your idea that this is "outrageous crap". In fact, this supports the idea that the SBC is right where it should be as a religious organization.
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Okay, we've honked off the Jews with The Passion....... Check.
We've now honked off the Christians with Saved........... Check.
Okay now, what's in store for the Muslims?
The vast majority of sites touting that study are pro-christian sites, as are the vast majority of sites getting excited about Uganda. They're not trying to use a singular example to push a flawed agenda, now are they? And where the hell is this "study" anyway? All I see is a link to Harvard.edu.Originally posted by: JupiterJones
However, a Harvard Study reported here dissagrees. In fact, there is a tremendous amount of reporting on this all over the net.Originally posted by: Fausto
When abstinence is the primary means of reducing transmission, then yes; it's crap.Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Hey Fausto
Ok, I gotcha. Baptist calling for abstinence based prevention of AIDS is "outrageous crap"?.
Even if this is wrong (which I doubt), it would not be outrageous, nor would it be crap to accept these many reports.
Or maybe Catholics and Baptists just happen to represent two of the most extreme Christian sects? Maybe?[/quote]The fact that the CDC doesn't acknowledge the Harvard Univesity study does not mean the study is wrong, nor does it mean that those who accept the study (including catholics) are wrong.
Incidently, since both Catholics and Baptist accept this info, it certainly does not support your idea that this is "outrageous crap". In fact, this supports the idea that the SBC is right where it should be as a religious organization.
Uh, no. It's still crap. Pushing for a change in focus with regard to HIV-prevention that would lead to an increase in the global # of new cases is definitely crap. SBC and Catholics are citing this Harvard study because it appears to support their position despite the fact that most research indicates a multi-pronged approach to preventing HIV transmission is most effective. That kind of willful ignorance is what I, and others, find so offensive. If the author of this vaunted Harvard study came out with an updated study finding a different conclusion, you'd all just act like he/she didn't exist and go find some other study to back your original position on the matter. You don't care about AIDS in Africa, you just want to push abstinence.Fact is, just because you don't agree doesn't make these ideas "outrageous crap", and doesn't justify promoting negative stereotypes.
Jup
Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I'm a Christian. As long as it's done in a good-hearted manner and is fair, I have no problem with some ribbing. When the comedy is mean-spirited and spiteful, I think it borders on hate media.
How's this?
"A girl at a Southern Baptist high school finds that her pregnancy makes her an outcast. The film is a coming-of-age story and also a dark comedy. "It's like those monster vampire high school kind of movies, only here the monsters are Jesus-freak teenagers," says Michael Stipe, the R.E.M. lead-singer turned movie producer."
Originally posted by: Fausto
The vast majority of sites touting that study are pro-christian sites, as are the vast majority of sites getting excited about Uganda. They're not trying to use a singular example to push a flawed agenda, now are they? And where the hell is this "study" anyway? All I see is a link to Harvard.edu.Originally posted by: JupiterJones
However, a Harvard Study reported here dissagrees. In fact, there is a tremendous amount of reporting on this all over the net.Originally posted by: Fausto
When abstinence is the primary means of reducing transmission, then yes; it's crap.Originally posted by: JupiterJones
Hey Fausto
Ok, I gotcha. Baptist calling for abstinence based prevention of AIDS is "outrageous crap"?.
Even if this is wrong (which I doubt), it would not be outrageous, nor would it be crap to accept these many reports.
Or maybe Catholics and Baptists just happen to represent two of the most extreme Christian sects? Maybe?The fact that the CDC doesn't acknowledge the Harvard Univesity study does not mean the study is wrong, nor does it mean that those who accept the study (including catholics) are wrong.
Incidently, since both Catholics and Baptist accept this info, it certainly does not support your idea that this is "outrageous crap". In fact, this supports the idea that the SBC is right where it should be as a religious organization.
Uh, no. It's still crap. Pushing for a change in focus with regard to HIV-prevention that would lead to an increase in the global # of new cases is definitely crap. SBC and Catholics are citing this Harvard study because it appears to support their position despite the fact that most research indicates a multi-pronged approach to preventing HIV transmission is most effective. That kind of willful ignorance is what I, and others, find so offensive. If the author of this vaunted Harvard study came out with an updated study finding a different conclusion, you'd all just act like he/she didn't exist and go find some other study to back your original position on the matter. You don't care about AIDS in Africa, you just want to push abstinence.[/quote]Fact is, just because you don't agree doesn't make these ideas "outrageous crap", and doesn't justify promoting negative stereotypes.
Jup