New gen of AMD cards?

[slash196]

Hey guys, been a while since I posted here. I just pulled the trigger on a new rig but since I know the new generation of cards is coming out soon I bought a board with integrated graphics, so I can jump on the new cards when the come out. My question is, when is that? Do we have a good idea of when there will be retail availability of AMD's new gen? Not that I necessarily want to get a brand new card, but I want to be able to capitalize on any price drops that may result.

 

[jvroig]

Most optimistic is Oct 2010 for the new parts, may end up anywhere from Oct-Dec 2010

AMD did promise some price cuts "soon", so it may arrive before the new parts do (to clean out existing inventory). I would guess that you only need to wait a month at most for prices to drop, then maybe a few more weeks for actual launch of some new gen products.

 

[Powermoloch]

Soon (probably a month or so)we'll be seeing some arrivals of the new gen and price cuts..

 

[FalseChristian]

Why wait? Grab a HD 5850 or a GTX 460 1GB. If you keep waiting for the next generation you'll be on crummy IGP for the rest of your life!

 

[dug777]

Why wait? Grab a HD 5850 or a GTX 460 1GB. If you keep waiting for the next generation you'll be on crummy IGP for the rest of your life!

In this instance, unless he's dying for an upgrade *right now* then a month or so to see benchmarks of the next cards around the corner is unlikely to cause him much hardship, and if he's not keen on those cards I can only see that driving prices on the current mid-range and upper-end cards down further.

In addition, boy does buyers remorse hurt

 

[NumericalMethods]

I think, given the leaked information and benchmarks, the new ATI cards will come sooner rather than later. This is one situation where waiting another 4 weeks for info won't hurt too much. You'll either find out a new card is going to be available or you will be able to pick up a 5800 series card for considerably less than they are selling for this month. A rare win/ win in my opinion

 

[jaydee]

So how do these launches work? For the 5xxx series, I think they released the high-end first, then ultra-high end, then mid-range, then low-end/low profile, correct? Is this typical, or is it kind of a crapshoot regarding the timing?

 

[GaiaHunter]

So how do these launches work? For the 5xxx series, I think they released the high-end first, then ultra-high end, then mid-range, then low-end/low profile, correct? Is this typical, or is it kind of a crapshoot regarding the timing?

5870->5850->5770/5750->5970->lower parts.

So high-end->Mid range-> Ultra high end.

Apparently, this time they will be releasing their mid range first, since it seems it is around the 5850 performance (and maybe faster than the 5850/5870 with tessellation and other DX11 features on?), followed by the high-end.

 

[jaydee]

Has there been any talk of the usable outputs of these cards? Is it still going to be 2 (DVI/HDMI/VGA) + 1 (DisplayPort)?

 

[lifeblood]

The word on the street is yes, they will have the same config. But since we're talking leaked info that could change.

Given that AMD is releasing midrange cards first you probably won't see too much of a price shakeup at the high end, if that's where your interested in buying. If your eyeing the midrange then the drops have already began and will certainly continue. Definitely worth the 4 - 6 week wait.

 

[Maverick2002]

There will always be something better "in a month or two", especially in the second half the year. I agree, no point in waiting. If you can swing $220-230, a 1GB GTX460 will able to max out almost every game at 1920x1080/1200, 1680x1050 if you crank up AA for the higher end titles. I'm very impressed with the 400 series. Price is right, performance is sick, the cards are small, and just an overall great refresh.

Can't go wrong, in particular with this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125333

(I'm a little NVIDIA biased)

 

[Madcatatlas]

There will always be something better "in a month or two", especially in the second half the year.

(I'm a little NVIDIA biased)

You sure are. There isnt ALWAYS something better "in a month or two" as you put it. As proven by the GTX4xx launch.

The "wait there is something coming up in a month or two", applies much more in this case, with AMD/ATI. You should read the articles about AMD/ATI giving information on when the Cypress family would be launched and KEEPING to it. The same cant be said for Nvidia tbh.

Keep in mind that AMD has given no official release dates though.

Im no fan of waiting either and just like Falschristian, i bought a factory overclocked GTX460 at the information vacuum window..kinda. Or well, im just not a fan of waiting and things were aligned pretty well for me.


I AM however holding out on buying a second card til Nvidia fixes the GTX460 SLI issues, aswell as seeing what AMD brings in a month or two.

 

[Kenmitch]

So how do these launches work? For the 5xxx series, I think they released the high-end first, then ultra-high end, then mid-range, then low-end/low profile, correct? Is this typical, or is it kind of a crapshoot regarding the timing?

Looks like AMD has the GTX 460 currently in the crosshairs waiting to pull the trigger. Currently the GTX 460 is in the only nvidia card in the limelight so it makes sense to tackle it first....Besides with the upcoming holiday season the price point is pretty much where the volume sales will be.

 

[dug777]

There will always be something better "in a month or two", especially in the second half the year. I agree, no point in waiting. If you can swing $220-230, a 1GB GTX460 will able to max out almost every game at 1920x1080/1200, 1680x1050 if you crank up AA for the higher end titles. I'm very impressed with the 400 series. Price is right, performance is sick, the cards are small, and just an overall great refresh.

Can't go wrong, in particular with this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125333

(I'm a little NVIDIA biased)

Except that this time we *know* there's probably going to be something that is likely to be 'better' in a month or not much more, or at least you'll know how it is going to reshape the market by then.

At the worst, he won't be interested in what's on offer and will be able to catch any entirely likely price drops from existing cards on either side of the fence to accomodate the new cards (and used prices of GTX 400 series/58x0 series will dive as people start to offload).

You have suggested he drops $220-230 on a GTX 460 1GB now. That's more than enough for most people to feel heap big buyer's remorse if AMD drops some cards that squish that card at that price point

Now I'd say AMD would have rocks in their head if they don't do exactly that, and looking at the already attractive die size and performance per watt of Cypress vis-a-vis Fermi (even compared to GF 104), it seems entirely feasible that a refresh will deliver.

 

[Red Storm]

Yeah it doesn't matter which brand you prefer, when a new series of cards is about to launch soon, it can usually have a good effect on prices for cards on both sides. So it doesn't matter if you're Red or Green, chances are waiting just a bit more will pay off.

 

[Kenmitch]

When you think about it as long as the design is already completed and ready for production it doesn't take but what a couple of keystrokes to alter production. That said it doesn't matter when or how long the 6xxx series has been in the pipeline.

The way I see it is the GTX460 is the card that is currently in the limelight. Seems like a logical move for AMD to go after that price point first as with the upcoming holiday season most likely it'll also be the price point with the most volume of sales.

OP....In this current situation this may be one of the only times purchasing a MB with onboard graphics that you don't plan on useing pays off.

 

[Leyawiin]

O.P., you say you have a PC with integrated graphics, exactly what are you running (power supply, cpu, etc...)? It may not be able to handle what people are recommending. And yes, if you need a graphics card (which is sounds like you do), buy it. You might be waiting for two or three months with your integrated graphics which doesn't sound like much fun.

 

[Golgatha]

O.P., you say you have a PC with integrated graphics, exactly what are you running (power supply, cpu, etc...)? It may not be able to handle what people are recommending. And yes, if you need a graphics card (which is sounds like you do), buy it. You might be waiting for two or three months with your integrated graphics which doesn't sound like much fun.

I'd recommend a GTX 460 simply because AMD will have a new shiny card and nVidia will have nothing new for awhile. If you want the new and shiny AMD part, then you will get a better price when you resell the GTX 460.

 

[happy medium]

O.P., you say you have a PC with integrated graphics, exactly what are you running (power supply, cpu, etc...)? It may not be able to handle what people are recommending. And yes, if you need a graphics card (which is sounds like you do), buy it. You might be waiting for two or three months with your integrated graphics which doesn't sound like much fun.

Agreed,
Please list your full system specs, along with the games you intend to play ,and budget range for your new card.

There is a mid range 6770 comming out in about 6 weeks with performance rumered to be a little faster then a gtx460, and a higher end card a month or 2 later. How long would you like to wait?

 

[Kenmitch]

I'd recommend a GTX 460 simply because AMD will have a new shiny card and nVidia will have nothing new for awhile. If you want the new and shiny AMD part, then you will get a better price when you resell the GTX 460.

Huh....To me it seems like the OP made a rational decision when he purchased the MB with onboard graphics in the first place. Why would you give him irrational advice?

No matter what card he gets it will be New and Shiny to him.

Why didn't you just tell him to wait a week and then rent one for 29 days from bestbuy as it would be the only way for him to recoup his losses if needed....Unless the launch is delayed beyond then.

 

[Piotrsama]

Hey guys, been a while since I posted here. I just pulled the trigger on a new rig but since I know the new generation of cards is coming out soon I bought a board with integrated graphics, so I can jump on the new cards when the come out. My question is, when is that? Do we have a good idea of when there will be retail availability of AMD's new gen? Not that I necessarily want to get a brand new card, but I want to be able to capitalize on any price drops that may result.

If you can hold one month, just do so.
Prices will go down on almost all mid-range cards when AMD releases their "Barts".

 

[brencat]

I too am awaiting the new parts from AMD. I've had my GTX 260 for a while now, and have been itching for an upgrade, but it still does the job. In fact, the only game it seems to struggle with is BFBC2 (which I'm forced to play at 1680x1050 on High settings with 2xAA...instead of my usual 1920x1200), but even there it only really bogs down for a second or two in close quarters like in a building staircase when there's smoke and lots going on.

What I really want is a 5870 or GTX 470 level performance, but am not prepared to pay the current $350ish price point. Hoping the new cards force this performance point downward.

 

[slash196]

Let's see, I got a Deneb 3.0 X4 and 4 gigs of RAM. I also got a sick deal on an OCZ 600W modstream, so I'm pretty confident that I've got plenty of headroom.

As I said before, I got a board with an IGP because the price was right (budget 880G board with SATA 6 and USB 3.0) and because I knew ATI was about to launch some sweet midrange hotness soon, I just didn't know when. I had heard speculation about everything from next week to next month.

And I'm all for biting the bullet and pulling the trigger but when you're literally on the threshold of a new product launch it's silly to plow money into last-gen cards without tasting so much as a price drop. As for the 460, the 1GB cards are not QUITE where they would need to be for me to snatch one up.

 

[happy medium]

As for the 460, the 1GB cards are not QUITE where they would need to be for me to snatch one up

In that case forget the 6770, it will be about $200 (same as the gtx460) in 6 weeks when they launch.

 

[slash196]

In that case forget the 6770, it will be about $200 (same as the gtx460) in 6 weeks when they launch.

You're probably right, but I'm more interested in where the 460 1GB cards will be at that point.