New GM LT1 engine

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KentState

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I can't say that I'm a little disappointed in the numbers so far. Hopefully a decrease in weight and the extra power can motivate the base C7 closer to a 11.9 1/4. On the other hand, if the LT1 is like the LS2, it will only be around a few model years before being replaced anyways.
 

ND40oz

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Autoblog has another post on it where GM explained why they stuck with 6.2L of displacement.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/24/gm-chevrolet-small-block-v8-engine-lt1-corvette-c7-videos/

While previous speculation had the new small block pegged at 5.5-liters, GM says they went with a larger 6.2-liter displacement because of the advantages of cylinder deactivation, which effectively has the LT1 operating as a 3.1-liter V4 under lighter loads. If GM had made the engine's displacement smaller, the V4 mode wouldn't have provided as much power, and thus drivers wouldn't have the engine operating in cylinder deactivation mode as often in daily driving. By operating in full-on V8 mode more often, GM would have negated the efficiency benefits of going with a smaller displacement.
 

DarkThinker

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it seems like natural progression, but IMHO 450 hp out of 6.2 liters is nothing to right home about.. I am sure they will be able to get more out of it, but a big engine should make big power

450 HP and 450 lb/ft of torque minimum out of a much simpler engine than the competition while not using forced induction and being much cheaper and simpler to have and maintain, all of that while being lighter and providing a broad torque band is something to write home about sir.

You might want to read more about it.
 

SparkyJJO

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Meh, DOHC is overhyped. It isn't some magic potion or something. Heck, it isn't even "new" tech either, as the first DOHC engines were made in the 1920s

DOHC and OHV each have their own purposes. One is NOT always better than the other in all circumstances. Plus, GM has proven that they know OHV engines very well and do an awesome job with them. Then in the aftermarket, 1 cam vs 4 cams, which do you think is easier/cheaper to upgrade?
 
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Good Lord. The comments on the Autoblog article make my eyes bleed. Why do I even bother reading the comments after the article?

We're coming up to a massive inflection point in the auto industry. A new Corvette for the masses. And new flagship garage queens from Porsche, Ferrari, and McLaren. That's an assload of horsepower coming out in the next year.:awe:

And no I'm not disappointed with the early specs from the LT1. I bet the official specs at the Vette unveiling will be noticeably better.
 

Fenixgoon

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Good Lord. The comments on the Autoblog article make my eyes bleed. Why do I even bother reading the comments after the article?

We're coming up to a massive inflection point in the auto industry. A new Corvette for the masses. And new flagship garage queens from Porsche, Ferrari, and McLaren. That's an assload of horsepower coming out in the next year.:awe:

And no I'm not disappointed with the early specs from the LT1. I bet the official specs at the Vette unveiling will be noticeably better.


that would be my expectation as well. i imagine the 450hp might be for the truck application. my completely unsubstantiated guess would be somewhere around 475-500hp for the corvette.
 

AMCRambler

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I just expected more gains out of going DI.

Intake and bigger injectors nets you little in the way of hp on the ls motors. Cylinder heads, headers and cams are what modders throw at them for power. The engines in their current form are getting more than enough air and fuel. Going to forced induction is when the intake and injectors start to get taxed.
 

Howard

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Intake and bigger injectors nets you little in the way of hp on the ls motors. Cylinder heads, headers and cams are what modders throw at them for power. The engines in their current form are getting more than enough air and fuel. Going to forced induction is when the intake and injectors start to get taxed.
DI helps fuel economy more than power. You can go ultra-lean without getting extreme temps.
 

JackBurton

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that would be my expectation as well. i imagine the 450hp might be for the truck application. my completely unsubstantiated guess would be somewhere around 475-500hp for the corvette.

I would think the base Vette would need to be at least 500hp to be competitive. They could then come out with the Z06 at 600hp and ZR-1 at 700hp+.
 

tcG

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I have a suspicion that the golden age of engines passed some years ago. Now emissions and efficiency regulations are killing the weight/compactness to usable power ratio, which is really all a performance engine is about.
 

Ferzerp

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Now emissions and efficiency regulations are killing the weight/compactness to usable power ratio, which is really all a performance engine is about.

Umm, The big 3 have the following engines in cars under $60k.

Chrysler: 470 hp
Ford: 662 hp
GM: 580 hp

The same also have v6's in cars under $30k that have
Chrysler: 305 hp
Ford: 305 hp
GM: 323 hp
 

tcG

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None of those engines are IDEAL performance engines because they use forced induction.
 

Ferzerp

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None of those engines are IDEAL performance engines because they use forced induction.


Are you just making things up? Only *2* of those engines are forced induction.

I can forgive throwing on a supercharger to get 580 hp and 662 hp.

edit: and that 662hp engine is in a car without even a gas guzzler tax.
 
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Throckmorton

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I have a suspicion that the golden age of engines passed some years ago. Now emissions and efficiency regulations are killing the weight/compactness to usable power ratio, which is really all a performance engine is about.

I don't think compactness matters. If anything I'd rather have a bigger engine so the designers are forced to give the car a gently sloping or horizontal hood.
 

tcG

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Are you just making things up? Only *2* of those engines are forced induction.

I can forgive throwing on a supercharger to get 580 hp and 662 hp.

edit: and that 662hp engine is in a car without even a gas guzzler tax.

*shrug* I guess you're right...
 

overst33r

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I would think the base Vette would need to be at least 500hp to be competitive. They could then come out with the Z06 at 600hp and ZR-1 at 700hp+.

To be competitive with what? The base corvette was already whooping up on cars costing 2x as much.

GMs benchmark for the base corvette is to deliver 75% of the performance of the previous Z06. They will not have any trouble hitting that.

I for one think the LT1 is a great engine. Makes 450hp, it's able to run on regular with a 11.5 Cr while delivering 30mpg in the real world. Very impressive how they integrated VVT. I wonder how it compares to the system that Lotus designed for the Viper V10...

 
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overst33r

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Reading this thread makes me realize I'll never understand the HP/L crowd. Please name some other engines that produce similar power/weight/mpg/price. I'll wait.
 

phucheneh

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I don't think anyone said "my 200hp 2L Honda is better because it has more HP/L."

Just that GM has a somewhat absurd displacement fetish that causes them to keep manufacturing V8's with big block era displacement...and if the power's not that impressive, it's rather silly.

Also, wow, a spring-loaded, oil-activated cam pulley/gear? CRAZY. Wait, that's generally just how it's done...

And just to go ahead and get all the negativity out...

None of those engines are IDEAL performance engines because they use forced induction.

This is a baffling comment. Why in the world would an 'ideal performance engine' not be forced induction? Also...what's an 'ideal performance engine,' anyway? I would think it would be one that could handle boost and not require a shitpile of mods to make it suck air more efficiently.

Given the choice, I'd always choose cram over suck.:whiste:
 
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