new hand compliance law coming

[Subyman]

Ah, the joys of living in a small town. I went to HS with two of the officers and the others are great guys.

 

[Belegost]

Right, because cops never pull people over for being the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood.

Hell, I've been pulled over as a white guy in a normal neighborhood, because apparently driving the speed limit and using turn signals at the incredibly late hour of 11pm is suspicious activity...

 

[Humpy]

"HANDS IN THE AIR NOW! LICENSE IN REGISTRATION NOW!"
*person starts to put their hands up, but then reaches for license*
"I SAID HANDS IN THE AIR!"
*person puts hands in the air*
"I SAID LICENSE AND REGISTRATION! WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN I SPEAK TO YOU?"
*person goes to reach for license*
"STOP DROP THE WEAPON" *empties clip into person's chest*

It's a given that similar events will occur more often with this policy.

This is sold as providing for officer safety but it's obvious that the real benefit will be providing additional defenses in court for police.

 

[waggy]

Ah, the joys of living in a small town. I went to HS with two of the officers and the others are great guys.

I have seen and heard of more police abuse/curruption in small towns then large. Near me they have a town that has a local Community college. the main road of the town has a messed up speed limit signs. They have a sign saying 45 But there is also a sign saying residential area (on a highway) and the sped is 30 and it's slightly hidden

this is a small town but it had 12 cops and 1 was always on this road. i would always see kids pulled over on my way to the college.

I think they eventually got busted. the signs were changed 2-3 years ago and i rarely see a cop hidden like he was.

 

[Ichigo]

If the police treat every stop as potentially dangerous don't be surprised if the people they stop start treating it the same way.

 

[Smoblikat]

Oh look, fucking asshole pigs trying to create a larger police state. News at 11.

 

[BoberFett]

If the police treat every stop as potentially dangerous don't be surprised if the people they stop start treating it the same way.

Well said. The police are escalating this.

 

[werepossum]

I don't really have a big problem with this. I do it already as common courtesy - Windows down, dome lights on if it's dark, hands on the wheel until they are beside me and in conversation.

It's a stressful situation for everyone involved and making sure they know immediately that I'm not going to be a problem is in everyone's best interest.

It has served me well thus far, twice now I've left stop lights in the dark at full throttle with a cop right behind me, including once with wheelspin at the top of first. No tickets.

Viper GTS

Yep. I always assume I'm dealing with a nervous, armed man with an excellent chance of not being prosecuted if he shoots me and little chance of beating me to the draw if I intend to shoot him. Therefore I do whatever I can to make the situation less stressful to him, and almost always this is reciprocated. At seventeen I left a huge cloud of smoke in a mall parking lot burnout only to find I was headed straight for a cop on the perimeter road. Another situation at eighteen a cop followed me one night at speeds sometimes over a hundred miles an hour for fifteen minutes or so before hitting his blue lights. Neither time did I get a ticket, although my little parking lot escapade did get me a warning ticket. I figure I can do a LOT of ass kissing for that kind of response.

You can be belligerent and always get tickets and maybe shot, or you can be excruciatingly polite and personable and avoid many tickets and possibly avoid being beaten or shot over a misunderstanding. Choose wisely, Grasshopper. I recommend wisdom over pride.

 

[MongGrel]

The overpopulation/immigration/climate/terrorist problems we used to discuss in the 70's are really starting to come out of the woodwork all over these days in the US it appears, of course.

Some other things on the side just make it even worse.

It was all inevitable, more or less.

 

[WelshBloke]

The overpopulation/immigration/climate/terrorist problems we used to discuss in the 70's are really starting to come out of the woodwork all over these days in the US it appears, of course.

Some other things on the side just make it even worse.

It was all inevitable, more or less.

In what way is the way traffic cops act affected by 'overpopulation/immigration/climate/terrorist problems' or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[Genx87]

this whole cop situation is absurd. when i was a kid cops didn't take their guns out every time they pulled somebody over, they never treated people with constant suspicion or set up checkpoints or harassed citizens. they never bitched this much about it either, for some reason cops today spend 3/4ths of their time on the job explaining to us how hard it is and the other 1/4 shooting people. back in the day they did their fucking dumbass job, write tickets and keep the peace. now cops job is to harass us and force us to pay them or make us all go to jail. the constant goal of a police officer is not 'who do i protect?', it's 'who do i arrest?' you can see it in any episode of 'cops' or 'alaska state troopers', they are predators trolling for victims. they drive around in cruisers just ogling people and finding the weak and easily arrested. they pad their numbers with average jackoffs, it's not the dangerous criminals that get caught by cops, criminals are smart. its the dumb petty morons that they catch but because they are so easy to catch it is a much quicker return on investment to go after small time bs instead of real criminals. its not like they are an intelligent group of people to begin with.


what happens when somebody from out of state or county comes and doesn't know of their stupid 'policy' of coming 1 trigger pull away from killing every person they come in contact with.

I find this a good illustration of the differences from 20-30 or more years ago and today.

 

[Darwin333]

Or maybe I'm just stacking the odds in my favor. If I go out of my way to make sure that they are comfortable I reduce my odds of getting tickets. Win win.

As a big scruffy looking guy who frequently does entirely gratuitous shit in a vastly over powered car I will take any help I can get.

Viper GTS

That is a very good point but being an asshole isn't against the law and damn sure shouldn't get you shot. You act the way you do to avoid tickets, not to avoid getting needlessly shot, which is a huge difference.

 

[Darwin333]

I can already picture police brutality videos based on this.

"HANDS IN THE AIR NOW! LICENSE IN REGISTRATION NOW!"
*person starts to put their hands up, but then reaches for license*
"I SAID HANDS IN THE AIR!"
*person puts hands in the air*
"I SAID LICENSE AND REGISTRATION! WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN I SPEAK TO YOU?"
*person goes to reach for license*
"STOP DROP THE WEAPON" *empties clip into person's chest*

It's a magazine not a clip

Though to be fair, you should probably have license and registration ready before they make it to your window, and don't give them trouble just because you think you can. I've seen videos of people trying to "exercise their rights" they never end well.

That should be something that severely concerns you.

You do not have any rights when you are in the process of being stopped by police, it's a grim reality. Just do what you're told and hope for the best.

When you choose to simply submit you are basically giving your consent to be fucked over. It's like not saying "no" when a guy is trying to force his dick in your ass and you not saying no makes it perfectly legal and consentual sex. That attitude is why we are in the situation we are in.

 

[Jhhnn]

Statistically speaking, they don't really have to worry about that here either. More innocent citizens are killed by cops than the other way around, but you don't see the cops trying to pass laws to make citizens any safer from cops.

I don't agree with making it mandatory, but citizens need to realize that cops can make mistakes, too. Therefore, it's in a person's interest to help them avoid it, thus protecting themselves. Showing a cop your hands under such circumstances is common courtesy & de-escalation away from their worst fears. Rolling down the window & turning off the ignition are the same thing. I figure I'm helping them to make good choices. It's for my benefit entirely.

Why not? He's the guy with the gun, maybe not as smart as I'd like him to be, either.

 

[SandEagle]

I find this a good illustration of the differences from 20-30 or more years ago and today.

good pic. i will use it.
i made a comparison once before between old cops and new, but the pic is gone.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2394302

edit:

heres the pic:

 

[touchstone]

I find this a good illustration of the differences from 20-30 or more years ago and today.

It is a great visual metaphor, I just don't understand how we got to this place. When did we give them all the power?



At this point they are so entrenched in every authoritative political institution in this country it is impossible to remove them without tearing the whole system out. Look at Ferguson, they are making every possible excuse to keep the exact same racist police force right there to oppress them. Why did the riots stop? They should've burnt that city to the ground after they refused to fire the mayor and the police chief.

 

[angminas]

It's been a progression, but if I had to pick one date, I'd say February 28th, 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

 

[Zorkorist]

Papers, please.

-John

 

[Jhhnn]

I find this a good illustration of the differences from 20-30 or more years ago and today.

Ever the hyperbole. The last time a cop pulled me over, he looked like the cop on the left, not the cop on the right.

And, of course, his gun stayed in the holster because I didn't do anything stupid. Funny how that works.

 

[brycejones]

Ever the hyperbole. The last time a cop pulled me over, he looked like the cop on the left, not the cop on the right.

And, of course, his gun stayed in the holster because I didn't do anything stupid. Funny how that works.

There you go another citizen giving into the police state. /s

 

[Darwin333]

Yep. I always assume I'm dealing with a nervous, armed man with an excellent chance of not being prosecuted if he shoots me and little chance of beating me to the draw if I intend to shoot him. Therefore I do whatever I can to make the situation less stressful to him, and almost always this is reciprocated. At seventeen I left a huge cloud of smoke in a mall parking lot burnout only to find I was headed straight for a cop on the perimeter road. Another situation at eighteen a cop followed me one night at speeds sometimes over a hundred miles an hour for fifteen minutes or so before hitting his blue lights. Neither time did I get a ticket, although my little parking lot escapade did get me a warning ticket. I figure I can do a LOT of ass kissing for that kind of response.

You can be belligerent and always get tickets and maybe shot, or you can be excruciatingly polite and personable and avoid many tickets and possibly avoid being beaten or shot over a misunderstanding. Choose wisely, Grasshopper. I recommend wisdom over pride.

Oh come on bud, you are so much better than this. YES, you are right and you can choose but that is not the point at all.

The point is quite simple, should you have to choose between being polite and maybe getting away with breaking the law, as you described, or not being polite and instead of getting a ticket, again as your story would have turned out, you get dead? And after you get forcible lead poisoning and the officers who injected you with said lead are cleared of any wrong doing at the taxpayers expense, do you say "good job" or do you say "this shit has got to change"? I am in the latter camp, despite my encounters with the police being roughly the same as yours, not because of some wrong that has been committed upon me but because of wrongs that have been committed upon my fellow countrymen.

I obviously don't hold the position that I do because I have been murdered by a cop. I simply stand shoulder to shoulder with my fellow countrymen when their rights have been violated or mine, I truly hope they (and you) will do the same for me.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ever the hyperbole. The last time a cop pulled me over, he looked like the cop on the left, not the cop on the right.

And, of course, his gun stayed in the holster because I didn't do anything stupid. Funny how that works.

Tell that to John Geer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/in-fairfax-va-a-different-no-less-scary-police-shooting-1.2960995

Or Levar Jones

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/26/watch_a_cop_shoot_a_black_man_for_reaching_for_his_drivers_license/

Or Floyd Dent

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/vi...icer-planted-drugs-brutal-beating-floyd-dent/

or any number of other people who 'did the right thing' and were still shot, or arrested, or beaten, or any or all of the above.

 

[werepossum]

Oh come on bud, you are so much better than this. YES, you are right and you can choose but that is not the point at all.

The point is quite simple, should you have to choose between being polite and maybe getting away with breaking the law, as you described, or not being polite and instead of getting a ticket, again as your story would have turned out, you get dead? And after you get forcible lead poisoning and the officers who injected you with said lead are cleared of any wrong doing at the taxpayers expense, do you say "good job" or do you say "this shit has got to change"? I am in the latter camp, despite my encounters with the police being roughly the same as yours, not because of some wrong that has been committed upon me but because of wrongs that have been committed upon my fellow countrymen.

I obviously don't hold the position that I do because I have been murdered by a cop. I simply stand shoulder to shoulder with my fellow countrymen when their rights have been violated or mine, I truly hope they (and you) will do the same for me.

I am all for change. I just believe that a calm, respectful, non-threatening citizen yields a calm, respectful, non-threatening cop more often than not. I think that is a lot more likely to yield change than being belligerent, and a lot smarter behavior to teach our kids. Let us not forget that we as a nation were a much more civil and polite people thirty or forty years ago. (Well, admittedly not necessarily to black folks. Maybe some people just have to be dicks to someone.)

As far as protecting our rights, I am as much in favor of defeating this in court as I am in favor of voluntarily behaving thusly. The big difference is that few people get shot while fighting for their rights in court.

 

[Jhhnn]

Tell that to John Geer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/in-fairfax-va-a-different-no-less-scary-police-shooting-1.2960995

Or Levar Jones

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/26/watch_a_cop_shoot_a_black_man_for_reaching_for_his_drivers_license/

Or Floyd Dent

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/vi...icer-planted-drugs-brutal-beating-floyd-dent/

or any number of other people who 'did the right thing' and were still shot, or arrested, or beaten, or any or all of the above.

Stupid shit happens, no doubt. Doesn't mean I need to contribute to it, or that such incidents aren't extremely rare.

 

[Genx87]

Ever the hyperbole. The last time a cop pulled me over, he looked like the cop on the left, not the cop on the right.

And, of course, his gun stayed in the holster because I didn't do anything stupid. Funny how that works.

Well if it doesnt happen to you it never happens.