New headphones ~$100

avtar2008

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I am in market for a new set of headphones for listening music(not gaming). Budget is $100( little bit flexible). I done a *little bit* research and found AD-700 and mt-50 are decent in performance and looks. Looks have lower priority over sound quality and comfort. Quality of microphones doesn't matter because I would *rarely* use it. 10-15 times annually(for skype only).

Audio Setup:
1. Preowned headsets: razer electra, sirus S, steel series siberia V2(currently using). IEM: brainwavz m4 and soundmagic pl11
2. sound card: xonar dgx
3. no speakers.

They will be my first monitor(I think this is correct term for them) headphones. Had no previous experience with such headphones. Only listened to friend's Senn hd 202 II.

Suggestions are welcome.
 

SyndromeOCZ

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For that price and being new to upper end headphones I would get some ATH-M50's. They sound really good for the money IMO, though they aren't the most 'accurate' cans they are very fun. They are also durable, fold-able, and easy to drive(only 35 ohms).
 

SithSolo1

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My brother just got a pair of the AD-700, seems to really enjoy them and his ears don't get sore like they did with his gaming headset. He's going to be attaching a Modmic to it for communications.
 

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I'm actually a pretty experienced audiophile, used to use headfi a lot
here is what I recommend around your budget
ath m50 $160, the best under $200 without question
sennheiser hd 439 $125, supreme comfort, they have a lot of clarity and I love the way they sound
Philips citiscape uptown $66, these used to be $120 when i got them, they dropped dramatically, but they sound great (for the price), are noise isolating and nice looking
 

hans030390

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The Sennheiser HD4x9 line sounds good but can be a bit cheap feeling.

If you can get the ATH-M50, do that.
 

avtar2008

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sorry late reply.
@Gintaras: I came here to shortlist some good headphones,after that I will read their reviews at your suggested link. Thanks.
@syndrome @Sithsolo: they both are on top of my list(till now). Thanks.
@dragon: that philips headset looks very good. I would seriously consider them as an alternatives.
@hans: I had already read reviews of 439,Don't like tell much.

@funboy:Never ever heard about that model. And that is a huge price drop for a headphones. Well added to my list.

@ mmtech: Don't know why but didn't like the looks of them in pics. looks somewhat cheap.

would be reading about them and purchase one that matches my style. I like headphones with little and punchy bass. I am not a bass head. Bass should be there,but it should remain in background,never overshadow vocals.
 

funboy6942

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Well I have them, and I have heard the DR Dre's and these were damn close to them. bass is there but not boomy, but hits very hard.
 

SyndromeOCZ

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Remember that many music stores(or online places) have 30-45 day no questions asked return policies. I've ordered 4 pairs of headphones at one time and only kept my favorite pair while sending the rest back.
 

hans030390

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Based on what you said about tastes in bass, the ATH-M50 might not be for you, then. It has a fairly neutral sound. Not the smoothest, as it is only $100-150. It does have a slight U-shaped curve to the sound signature, though. Still decently balanced, but the bass might not be for you. It's definitely worth a try, though.

The AD-700 is really, really bass light. I've heard some people say it's fairly balanced and punchy or even a bit rolled off but still punchy. Just...no. To me, it sounded completely limp and lifeless. Plus, the treble wasn't the smoothest (in a it hurt my ears kind of way). Objective measurements tend to side with what I heard.

Grado cans are, IMO, junk. They all measure about the same in terms of frequency response, distortion, etc. Hump around 100Hz with a slope down in the mids until a huge, gross, rough peak in the treble region. They also tend to have high harmonic distortion, especially in the bass. The harmonic distortion and large 100Hz hump actually makes them sound like they have more bass than they really do. The Grado SR60 hurt my ears due to the treble. Go look at measurements of all the Grado headphones from a variety of sources...it's mostly the same across all of the models.

The Philips Uptown probably sounds pretty good, but the measurements I've seen of it suggest it has a fairly large, but not overwhelming, boost in the bass. I tried one in Best Buy, and it did sound to have more of a U-shaped sound signature, but not in a displeasing way. However, testing a headphone at Best Buy means little.

I'm not sure what you read about the HD4x9 line. I had the HD429 for a while, and I found it to be fairly balanced across the spectrum, if not a bit laid back. Two measurements I've seen (from Innerfidelity and Golden Ears) suggest it is fairly neutral up until 1-2KHz, at which point the measurements start to differ. The pair I heard did not seem to have the large midrange dip measurements suggest, and the treble was not as rolled as you'd expect. I actually found them quite detailed and smooth without any noticeable harshness. Measurements for the three headphones in the HD4x9 line are very similar, though I have only personally listened to the HD429. I'm fairly certain the use the same drivers and housing...just different ear pads.

You might want to consider a used or refurbished Sennheiser HD558 if you are OK with open-back headphones (great for gaming due to large soundstage). I think you can get them for under $150 that way, if not closer to $100. They are fantastic budget headphones, and they actually sound and measure fairly neutral. Very natural, open sound. Bass extends down low and is punchy if the music calls for it, but it is not emphasized (neutral or even slightly rolled off, but absolutely the bass is NOT emphasized). Mids and treble are smooth and well balanced across the board. Actually, that's where the HD598 excels...mids, treble, and soundstage. They actually measure very similarly to the HD600, and even more so after an easy mod (remove a piece of foam from inside the cup...easy). The main difference is that the HD558 and HD598 have higher (but not bad) harmonic distortion than the HD600.

Be careful about Head-Fi. There's a lot of good information on there, but the large percentage of users on there wouldn't recognize good, neutral sound if it smacked them upside the head. It's OK, though, if you are open about your tastes and pick headphones based on that. I'm talking about people who just have bad ears. There are too many zealots on there that are too easily sold on products, and even the worst products will get praise from a large number of people. Some shun objective measurements and analysis of headphones entirely, and some shun the subjective side. It's a very, very weird community of people more or less in a large circle jerk for headphones. However, there are also many, many intelligent, reasonable people on there with great ears and solid backgrounds in the audio fields that actually have fantastic advice and insight. The hard part is figuring out who to listen to and who to tune out...

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. You might benefit from utilizing objective measurements along with subjective impressions to narrow down on what headphone will suit your needs and tastes best.
 

Oyeve

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Grado SR80i
http://www.amazon.com/Grado-Prestige...ds=grado+sr80i

I only wish they weren't so damn expensive in Canada.

Ug, grado is craptastic. Way way way over priced. You are better off taping speakers to your head as it will sound better and will leak music less than any grado. Seriously, why bother with grado cans when they are just speakers (cheap ones at that) connected to cheap plastic? Everyone can hear them outside even at low volumes. Just go to radio shack, buy 2 4" full range speakers for 10 bucks, buy some velcro and velcro to your head. Same sound experience and way cheaper!

OP, buy a vintage sony MDR-V6 on amazon.
 

avtar2008

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@oyeve: I had read post of some people with same opinion. So, grado would be my last choice. Added MDR-V6 to my list. Would be checking them also.

Till now I read review of pioneer steez dupstep and got a very positive impression. Moving ahead to next item in my list,sennheiser 439 as recommended by hans.
 

hans030390

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MDR-V6 isn't bad, but it's a bit outdated. There are better sounding options for less, some of which I have already mentioned. You can also do a lot, lot worse for the price. I haven't listened to a pair in several years (wasn't too impressed when I did), but two sources of FR measurements I've seen for it indicate it has a roll-off below 40-50Hz, though they do extend well to 20Hz. They do have fairly high harmonic distortion in the bass, so it will sound muddier than it should (high HD in the bass can also give the impression of more bass than there actually is). The treble on measurements isn't perfectly smooth, but it also doesn't look like it would be offensive, as it's fairly in line with the rest of the sound spectrum. One source of measurements shows them as being rather flat, but the other shows them as being flat but tilted towards a brighter, treble-heavier sound. Overall, subjectively and objectively it would appear they're decent but not really the best option in any scenario.

They are common enough, though, that you could probably find a pair to demo first. If they suit your tastes, however, I would encourage you to consider them. Objective measurements and other people's subjective impressions don't mean a thing if you like or dislike what you hear (not to mention most people giving subjective impressions don't have good ears). They can be valuable sources of information if you know how to use them, though. You also have to understand how to read objective measurements, as people do use different setups and techniques, meaning you can't cross-compare measurements from two sources. It's taken me a few years of listening to a large variety of headphones and cross comparing them with objective measurements and subjective impressions to begin to be able to piece it all together properly. Feel free to PM me with any particular questions about this stuff.
 
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avtar2008

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All of positive impression of pioneer steez, just gone in drain when I saw the leak test of them on youtube. Anybody standing nearby can hear them loud and clear even at 50% volume of ipod. removing them from my list.

Next I read reviews of m50. My only concern is its bass level because they are refereed more as neutral,than a little bassy. I think that much bass won't be enough for me. I was looking for something having more bass than m50. On doubt they have more details than anyone like me would need and looks are very good.

currently,reading reviews of ad 700.

@hans: thanks for your genuine help. I think I had learned(in last few years) how to combine subjective opinions and objective measurements and extract useful information from them. I would pm you for help when I completed reading reviews on all headphones in my list.
 
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hans030390

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Oh, so you need a closed headphone if leaking sound is a problem for you. That would immediately rule out headphones like the HD558/598 or AD700, as they are completely open-back.

I'm a bit confused what you're looking for with bass. One post sounded like you wanted a little less than neutral, and your last sounds like you want more bass than neutral.

If you want slightly more bass than neutral, the ATH-M50 fits that bill really well. It's got a slight U-curve to the sound signature but is still relatively neutral and smooth overall. Quite a solid all-rounded headphone, AND it is very good about keeping sound in.

For reference. the AD700 has waaaaay less bass than the ATH-M50. It's noticeably anemic in the lower regions compared to a neutral source.
 

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I'm actually a pretty experienced audiophile, used to use headfi a lot
here is what I recommend around your budget
ath m50 $160, the best under $200 without question
sennheiser hd 439 $125, supreme comfort, they have a lot of clarity and I love the way they sound
Philips citiscape uptown $66, these used to be $120 when i got them, they dropped dramatically, but they sound great (for the price), are noise isolating and nice looking

Recommend the ATH-M50 - much more accurate than any beats type, "real" over the ear headphones for music. I got them from EBay for $89 a couple years ago
 

avtar2008

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Finished reading reviews of ad 700. As mentioned by hans,its open back design and less bass,are keeping me away from it. Don't got lot to read about its sound leakage,but I believe they will have sound leakage,as pointed out by hans(again!).

Moving to sennheiser camp. Will be checking all 4xx and 5xx except 439,558/598.
 

hans030390

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Haha, yeah, people don't talk much about sound leakage from open headphones because it's guaranteed an open-back headphone is going to leak a lot of sound no matter what. No need to mention something so obvious when discussing any open headphone.
 
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I am in market for a new set of headphones for listening music(not gaming). Budget is $100( little bit flexible)...

What do you listen to? Different headphones have different attributes they're better at doing. At $100, there's plenty of options. There's even more options if you don't mind used/refurb on Ebay or Amazon.

Also, portable or home use?
 

avtar2008

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@scipio: I mainly listen to little rock and electronic type of songs. generally, I am looking for headphones with little bass more than a neutral headphones and less than a bassy headphones.

I will use them at home only with my PC. And looks doesn't matter much to me.
 
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Alamat

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On a side note, what would you recommend for wireless use? Need a set to watch TV i nbed while the wife is on the phone. Great way to tune her out....
 
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