New higher minimum wage laws includes waiters. Time to lower tips to 10%?

[MrSquished]

I don't have a problem with any of those, because they are paid by the employer and not the customer.

That's not true. That's paid by the consumer and/or other business client. Companies build their salespeople's commissions into the price of the products or services they sell you or other companies. You really think they don't factor that in?

At the end the consumer pays.

In NJ real estate the seller of the property pays everyone's commission.

You are incorrect.

 

[Ns1]

Companies build their salespeople's commissions into the price of the products or services they sell you or other companies. At the end the consumer pays.

There is no blank line that says "commission", where the buyer has to fill out an amount that they pull out of their ass. It's a mandatory service charge, which I do not have a problem with.

Goddamn can you imagine if real estate agents had to work on minimum wage + tips? That would be awesome (and hilarious).

 

[LevelSea]

The poor are the enemy; they have all the money.

Yeah, heard it before.

The kitchen staff and minorities are the poor ones, if you haven't gathered that from the conversation. Corporate tax avoidance wasn't the point, it's that someone else, who works at the same establishment, doesn't get to cheat on their taxes and whine about how customers are mean to them.

 

[MrSquished]

There is no blank line that says "commission", where the buyer has to fill out an amount that they pull out of their ass. It's a mandatory service charge, which I do not have a problem with.

Goddamn can you imagine if real estate agents had to work on minimum wage + tips? That would be awesome (and hilarious).

It doesn't matter whether or not there is a line-item in your bill for commission to a salesperson. It's still built into the price of something whether it's sold direct to consumers or whether it's B2B. You are just arguing semantics. Someone is paying for that commission, and it's not the direct employer. It's the client and consumers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There is no blank line that says "commission", where the buyer has to fill out an amount that they pull out of their ass. It's a mandatory service charge, which I do not have a problem with.

Goddamn can you imagine if real estate agents had to work on minimum wage + tips? That would be awesome (and hilarious).

Could you imagine a guy selling your house that makes under 18k per year. Could you imagine that same guy doing an open house.
Again I don't get the anger toward tipping. Just pay what you feel is appropriate.

 

[Ns1]

It doesn't matter whether or not there is a line-item in your bill for commission to a salesperson. It's still built into the price of something whether it's sold direct to consumers or whether it's B2B. You are just arguing semantics. Someone is paying for that commission, and it's not the direct employer. It's the client and consumers.

Ah, I see the confusion. Yes I get that at the end of the day the consumers will pay it, but the consumer shouldn't have to figure it out. I'm not here to figure out how much your employee deserves to be paid, you as the employer should figure that shit out.

Meal - $100
Tax - $9.75
5% health service charge - $5
3% service fee - $3
Tip: ______
Total: ______

VS

Meal - $100
Tax - $9.75
Fees - $22
Total: $131.75

 

[sandorski]

T... (i.e. jump through flaming hoops in miniskirts) to make a few bucks...

I'd pay to see that.

 

[superstition]

The kitchen staff and minorities are the poor ones, if you haven't gathered that from the conversation. Corporate tax avoidance wasn't the point, it's that someone else, who works at the same establishment, doesn't get to cheat on their taxes and whine about how customers are mean to them.

You missed my point. Wait staff are small potatoes. Hiding rich people behind "Pablo" isn't going to fly.

Kitchen staff can make the same amount or more than servers, at places that are above board.

However, at some places the bar is set lower for kitchen staff, like the place I mentioned. It took more intelligence and skill to be a waiter in that place than work in the kitchen. And, the people who were hired were barely competent which is why so many orders were messed up and things would be run out of. The management wasn't much better. This wasn't because they were minorities either. They weren't. It's because the job paid poorly and therefore attracted poor-quality employees.

 

[superstition]

I'd pay to see that.

Have you ever read The Running Man?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

OPs premise is wrong. $1 or $2 dollars extra per hour does not equal cutting tips by 50%

 

[MrSquished]

Ah, I see the confusion. Yes I get that at the end of the day the consumers will pay it, but the consumer shouldn't have to figure it out. I'm not here to figure out how much your employee deserves to be paid, you as the employer should figure that shit out.

Meal - $100
Tax - $9.75
5% health service charge - $5
3% service fee - $3
Tip: ______
Total: ______

VS

Meal - $100
Tax - $9.75
Fees - $22
Total: $131.75

I haven't seen the health service charge or service fee at any food service establishment I go to. Ever. As in totally never. And even where they do exist they are likely fees that have to do with paying certain regulatory fees, just like your cell phone provider does by passing them off to you as itemized charges on your bill.

So really what we have left is the tip. Ultimately that is correct, the amount is decided upon by the customer vs where a commission based job's bonus is still paid for by the customer, but the amount is not decided upon by the customer.

Wouldn't you say that gives more freedom to the customer at the end of the day who is choosing the commission they give? And what could be better than giving a customer choice really?

I'm not really seeing this amazing difference between the experiences. And paying your salesperson's commission like say in a financial advisory sense is going to be far more than what you are paying any waiter, and in that case you have zero choice.

What's the big to do about tipping a waiter then?

 

[sandorski]

Have you ever read The Running Man?

I have watched the movie.

 

[MrSquished]

Have you ever read The Running Man?

ahhh the Bachman books. Running man the story was infinitely better than the movie. all the 4 stories in their were amazing. The long walk struck a particular nerve. It's been over 15 years since I read those, I think it's time for a refresher. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[Ns1]

I haven't seen the health service charge or service fee at any food service establishment I go to. Ever. As in totally never.

it's coming for you my friend.

What's the big to do about tipping a waiter then?

You really don't see a problem with the mindset of "I need to tip so that the waiter doesn't spit in my food"?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You really don't see a problem with the mindset of "I need to tip so that the waiter doesn't spit in my food"?

I want to know what lowlife places you frequent where this is even a possibility. I have been in all types of food service since 1975 and NEVER once known of that happening. I guess the east coast has more skeletons in the closet than the politicians put there.

 

[MrSquished]

it's coming for you my friend.

You really don't see a problem with the mindset of "I need to tip so that the waiter doesn't spit in my food"?

We don't see those charges in the NYC metro area. Like I said, check and see if they are tied directly to a regulatory charge or something similar in your area. I'm curious.

Regardless those charges are from the business you are frequenting, the tip is still completely separate. I don't see how it is so different than having to pay commission based charges buy purchasing a product with that cost factored into the bill. At least with waiting tables you get a choice.

And I've worked in a bunch of restaurants. Very anecdotal but no spitting going on like at all. And it's a wacky point since you tip after the waiter is done serving you. Therefore no chance to spit in your food. It's a weird statement.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

it's coming for you my friend.

You really don't see a problem with the mindset of "I need to tip so that the waiter doesn't spit in my food"?

Lol, learn how to shop you dweeb.

 

[brycejones]

The answer to all this is simple. If you are too cheap to tip, don't go to establishments where you are expected to tip.

 

[Zaap]

Good lord, this dumb subject again.

SJW concern trolls sticking thier ignorant noses into something they don't understand, trying to fuck something up for people once again in the name of 'fairness'.

if you've never worked for tips, STFU already about this subject, you don't have a fucking clue. People who are great at their jobs in tipped professions make so much higher than *ANY* low ass insulting minimum that any employer is going to ever pay, that all you concern troll jackasses will ever do to any of these professions is turn them into shit jobs little better than fast food jobs, because you don't fucking understand what you're yapping about.

Then once more, once you've helped greedy employers reduce all the jobs to shit level, the SAME usual dumbshit suspects will whine "Where did all the good jobs go!!!?"

Fucking fuck. Stupid people.

The pretend concern over busboys and such.. STFU already. You want to tip the busboys no one is stopping you. Tip busboys 20% of your bill or STFU about it. The idea any one is paying busboys and dishwashers more because tipped employees don't get tips! That doesn't even follow any logical conclusion, it's just the usual dumb SJW/concern troll outcome- because you're jealous one group of people might get paid better than someone else, you work to ensure NOT that the busboy makes more (there's NOTHING that would even begin to create that) just that you REDUCE the tipped employee's job down to shit level too.

Fucking stupid people.

 

[brycejones]

Good lord, this dumb subject again.

SJW concern trolls sticking thier ignorant noses into something they don't understand, trying to fuck something up for people once again in the name of 'fairness'.

if you've never worked for tips, STFU already about this subject, you don't have a fucking clue. People who are great at their jobs in tipped professions make so much higher than *ANY* low ass insulting minimum that any employer is going to ever pay, that all you concern troll jackasses will ever do to any of these professions is turn them into shit jobs little better than fast food jobs, because you don't fucking understand what you're yapping about.

Then once more, once you've helped greedy employers reduce all the jobs to shit level, the SAME usual dumbshit suspects will whine "Where did all the good jobs go!!!?"

Fucking fuck. Stupid people.

It's a stupid subject yes but the bolded is just as stupid. Who are the supposed SJWs in this thread pushing to reduce or stop tipping?

 

[superstition]

Good lord, this dumb subject again.

SJW concern trolls sticking thier ignorant noses into something they don't understand, trying to fuck something up for people once again in the name of 'fairness'.

if you've never worked for tips, STFU already about this subject, you don't have a fucking clue. People who are great at their jobs in tipped professions make so much higher than *ANY* low ass insulting minimum that any employer is going to ever pay, that all you concern troll jackasses will ever do to any of these professions is turn them into shit jobs little better than fast food jobs, because you don't fucking understand what you're yapping about.

Then once more, once you've helped greedy employers reduce all the jobs to shit level, the SAME usual dumbshit suspects will whine "Where did all the good jobs go!!!?"

Fucking fuck. Stupid people.

The pretend concern over busboys and such.. STFU already. You want to tip the busboys no one is stopping you. Tip busboys 20% of your bill or STFU about it. The idea any one is paying busboys and dishwashers more because tipped employees don't get tips! That doesn't even follow any logical conclusion, it's just the usual dumb SJW/concern troll outcome- because you're jealous one group of people might get paid better than someone else, you work to ensure NOT that the busboy makes more (there's NOTHING that would even begin to create that) just that you REDUCE the tipped employee's job down to shit level too.

Fucking stupid people.

Is there any ignore list for posts like this?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Suh-weet, I'm an SJW now.

 

[superstition]

I have watched the movie.

Read the novella.

 

[superstition]

Suh-weet, I'm an SJW now.

Of course it also contained the obvious posturing opportunity: "Tipped employees who are good at their jobs are rolling in it! Don't drag them down!"

Ayn Rand is grinning somewhere.

 

[openwheel]

If you don't tip, I hope you get food poisoning. Cheap basted too lazy to cook yourselves. Stick with Mickey Dee.