New higher minimum wage laws includes waiters. Time to lower tips to 10%?

[Ns1]

Tipping is discriminatory and you'd think the SJWs would be all over it. Tiffany spills your drink and forgot an appetizer, oh well, here's 30% because you've got double Ds. Jamal gets 12% because he's well spoken and you don't want your date to think you dislike black people. Pablo's grinding in the back of a hot kitchen so you can enjoy your overpriced risotto, but fuck him, this is a service industry and he's not a server.

Goddamn why can I not like this post more than once?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Tipping is discriminatory and you'd think the SJWs would be all over it. Tiffany spills your drink and forgot an appetizer, oh well, here's 30% because you've got double Ds. Jamal gets 12% because he's well spoken and you don't want your date to think you dislike black people. Pablo's grinding in the back of a hot kitchen so you can enjoy your overpriced risotto, but fuck him, this is a service industry and he's not a server.

Obviously you've never worked in a restaurant or bar. The waiting staff shares some of their tips with bartenders/cooks.

 

[superstition]

Pablo's grinding in the back of a hot kitchen so you can enjoy your overpriced risotto, but fuck him, this is a service industry and he's not a server.

Restaurants that are above board pay their kitchen staff a higher wage because they can't file taxes as servers. And, before you knock the servers you should try being one and having the kitchen staff mess up lots of your orders. Guess who the customers always blame?

And, then there are the bartenders who make the drinks for the chicks that put out for them and not for you since you're a man, so your tables think you're a slow waiter because they wait for the drinks and you have to make multiple trips in the hopes of finally getting them. And, to top it off, you have managers who sleep with the same chicks and make sure they get the best tables. Yeah, being wait staff is legendary fun. When you've spent two hours serving old smoking ladies who each tip a quarter after their three refills each of unlimited breadsticks, salad, soup, and coffee you'll never think about golden parachutes again.

When I was a waiter there was a blonde with large assets who was sleeping with the male managers. She was angry once because my table got the last shrimp for an alfredo. The kitchen had run out and her tables had ordered shrimp dishes. She also constantly tried to get people to quit so she could have more tables than the company normally allowed. She stood in the kitchen and ate the shrimp off my table's alfredo. The management, of course, wouldn't do anything. So, having had quite enough of the nonsense, I told the table exactly what happened and who they could talk to. And, of course, they didn't believe me. They never believe the wait staff.

 

[LevelSea]

Obviously you've never worked in a restaurant or bar. The waiting staff shares some of their tips with bartenders/cooks.

http://www.laboremploymentlawblog.c...-tip-pooling-to-customarily-tipped-employees/

 

[Darwin333]

Does it occur to anyone that perhaps the concept of a Tip exists to exert a unique amount of customer/server leverage in the otherwise normal business transaction of buying food? If the waiter is no longer payed at least somewhat in relation to his own job performance (which will likely vary much more than other "non service" jobs, such as merely bussing plates or valet parking) won't his/her performance be allowed to suffer or excel without any change in their wage?

I would rather tip the cook who usually has a much larger influence in how well my dining experience is. It always amazed me that we tip the people who bring us our tasty meal but not the people that are responsible for making said tasty meal.

 

[superstition]

I would rather tip the cook who usually has a much larger influence in how well my dining experience is. It always amazed me that we tip the people who bring us our tasty meal but not the people that are responsible for making said tasty meal.

Restaurants that are above board pay their kitchen staff a higher wage because they can't file taxes as servers.

You'll need to have the tax code changed.

 

[Ns1]

http://www.laboremploymentlawblog.c...-tip-pooling-to-customarily-tipped-employees/

Tip pooling (which you linked to) is not the same as a customary tip out (which is probably what Londo is referring to)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That doesn't have anything specifically to do with selling oneself for money.

Some prostitutes are happy with their work

 

[superstition]

Tip pooling (which you linked to) is not the same as a customary tip out (which is probably what Londo is referring to)

Having servers tip kitchen staff is particularly ridiculous but I've seen plenty of extreme stupidity, like the way Applebees handles serving.

 

[superstition]

I'm glad you liked what I wrote. Do you have a point?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Tipping is discriminatory and you'd think the SJWs would be all over it. Tiffany spills your drink and forgot an appetizer, oh well, here's 30% because you've got double Ds. Jamal gets 12% because he's well spoken and you don't want your date to think you dislike black people. Pablo's grinding in the back of a hot kitchen so you can enjoy your overpriced risotto, but fuck him, this is a service industry and he's not a server.

In most places Pablo gets a cash out or a cut of the tips.

 

[MrSquished]

Working in the restaurant business is tough work both physically and mentally. My first job was as a busboy at 15 years old in a local Greek Diner. I rode my bike to work (which did eventually get stolen by another busboy). I then waited tables in a few diners. Then TGI Friday's. Then next was a nicer Greek restaurant in the city. After that was a well-regarded seafood restaurant also in the city. Then when I went back to college to finish it was back to another diner for a couple years. After that I was done with the waiting tables stuff but they were all interesting but tough jobs.

It was all hard work - whether working at a diner with relatively cheap eats or to the nicest restaurant I worked at where an entree at the time was 25 bucks (this was just over 15 years ago).

What should waiters make? I'm not sure exactly but even at a minimum wage of $12-15, I think a good waiter should make more than that. It's kinda tough to come up with a number.

The work is physically demanding and you will eventually reach your peak production age, although I saw a few older waiters hanging on. But it had to be harder on them.

I mean how do we, as a society, place a value on this kind of work? There are various factors, one of which is what would it cost a waiter to get health insurance per year? I think that should be factored into any wage discussion. Or reasonable housing costs in their area? It will be different for every part of the country but the point is, it's tough work, and if you do it well you deserve to be able to live, have healthcare and a reasonable place to live in and from which to have some sort of life outside of just surviving.

 

[Ns1]

In most places Pablo gets a cash out or a cut of the tips.

How can we all not see that eliminating tipping entirely and paying everyone across the board a better wage is a much better compensation strategy? One that works in basically every industry except American hospitality.

 

[superstition]

every industry except American hospitality

We don't tip hotel owners or restaurant owners generally. It's not even an entire industry. It's the lowest end of one. Hospitality owners and higher-end managers don't have to deal with the pathetic nature of dancing for tips themselves.

 

[Ns1]

We don't tip hotel owners or restaurant owners generally. It's not even an entire industry. It's the lowest end of one. Hospitality owners and higher-end managers don't have to deal with the pathetic nature of dancing for tips themselves.

...but we're still expected to leave a tip for the maids, and valets, and porters, and bribes for front desk staff, and so on and so forth....

 

[superstition]

...but we're still expected to leave a tip for the maids, and valets, and porters, and bribes for front desk staff, and so on and so forth....

I just wanted to point out that the industry includes people who don't have to dance for tips. They just have to make sure those under them are dancing to the customers' satisfaction.

 

[LevelSea]

I'd be curious to see how many lost dollars in tax revenue come from cash tips.

 

[MrSquished]

In most places Pablo gets a cash out or a cut of the tips.

Don't know how it is now but when I waited tables for some years, the kitchen never got a cut. At some, usually more casual restaurants, you were expected to tip out your busboys, and bartenders if you had them. In tipping pool instances the bar got a cut and then the remaining portions were divied by a ratio or points system - front waiters got 1 point, back waiters got 1/2 point, busboys got 1/4 point. The kitchen never saw a dime.

 

[superstition]

I'd be curious to see how many lost dollars in tax revenue come from cash tips.

Utterly insignificant in comparison with the tax avoidance of the wealthy (including via their corporations).

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Tip pooling (which you linked to) is not the same as a customary tip out (which is probably what Londo is referring to)

Yes, I was referring to tip out. Even as a bar back I recieved money from tips the waitresses and bartender brought in.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

How can we all not see that eliminating tipping entirely and paying everyone across the board a better wage is a much better compensation strategy? One that works in basically every industry except American hospitality.

What's your thoughts on salespeople & commissions? What's your thoughts on performance bonuses?

 

[LevelSea]

Utterly insignificant in comparison with the tax avoidance of the wealthy (including via their corporations).

I'm sure that makes Pablo feel much better when he looks at his W2.

 

[Ns1]

What's your thoughts on salespeople & commissions? What's your thoughts on performance bonuses?

I don't have a problem with any of those, because they are paid by the employer and not the customer.

Along that same thought process, I don't have an issue with mandatory service charges either. It has the same effect as tipping, without the inequalities of tipping.

 

[LevelSea]

Yes, I was referring to tip out. Even as a bar back I recieved money from tips the waitresses and bartender brought in.

I think it's regional. I don't know of any around here that tip out kitchen staff. Bus boys, bartenders, hosts, but no one in the kitchen.

 

[superstition]

I'm sure that makes Pablo feel much better when he looks at his W2.

The poor are the enemy; they have all the money.

Yeah, heard it before.