New higher minimum wage laws includes waiters. Time to lower tips to 10%?

[Zaap]

it's coming for you my friend.

You really don't see a problem with the mindset of "I need to tip so that the waiter doesn't spit in my food"?

Someone waiting on you to bring you that food would even at the standard 15% have made over $60 off those bills. You and a few other customers in an hour and what's the potential?

Anyone who thinks minimum wage is ever coming anywhere near close to what someone can pull down from a percentage of the checks they serve is so pitiful at math that they DESERVE for their job to be fucking gutted and turned into shit by stupid people, because you'd have to be stupid. And anyone thinks they're getting a $60+ minimum per hour from an employer is equally delusional.

Trade 15% of your bill totals (a couple of drink orders and you can outdo the piddly $15 DREAMED-OF minimum, and forget the actual minimum) for a total shit wage- you'd have to be a dumbshit. But... people these days more and more are.

 

[superstition]

You've never worked as a server.

But I like the "prostitutes don't have a tough life... they fly in private jets, wear minks, and eat the finest caviar" angle.

I'm sure Julia is ready for her closeup.

 

[JEDI]

it's coming for you my friend.

You really don't see a problem with the mindset of "I need to tip so that the waiter doesn't spit in my food"?

no idea what those are but if I saw those surcharges on the check, Im going to assume its tip and just pay the 9.16, 186.37, and 204.33

 

[Fanatical Meat]

How would nudie bars work? Do people on this forum really think a hot semi lesbian is going to put her boobs in your face for an hourly salary alone?

 

[Ns1]

How would nudie bars work? Do people on this forum really think a hot semi lesbian is going to put her boobs in your face for an hourly salary alone?

Lap dances are a great example - prices set by management. No additional tip required.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I tipped 20% when I went out to the Chinese Buffet on NYE. A whole $5, LOL.

Edit: These people (usually) bust their azz for you, try to make it worth their while.

 

[Meghan54]

Has anyone mentioned that in many states, waitstaff in restaurants are exempt from being paid minimum wage?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Has anyone mentioned that in many states, waitstaff in restaurants are exempt from being paid minimum wage?

Kind of, I know my state upped both tipped & non tipped minimums.
However most seem to miss the idea of adding $1-2.00 per hour does not equal cutting tips in half or eliminating tips.

 

[highland145]

Lap dances are a great example - prices set by management. No additional tip required.

WTH? I though that was the reason to go to nudie bars, to give the tip.



Hate being a server? Get a different job.

 

[highland145]

Kind of, I know my state upped both tipped & non tipped minimums.
However most seem to miss the idea of adding $1-2.00 per hour does not equal cutting tips in half or eliminating tips.

S.C. is somewhere around $2.50/hr. If the min wage goes to $5, I'll still tip. $15...much less inclined but I'd guess the server will be taking a pay cut at that min if I don't.


Edit : YATT

 

[Exterous]

No tip restaurants seen to be doing pretty well. While they are still somewhat of a novelty they are showing up in more and more places which I am all for as I have never really seen a relationship between tipping and service level

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/danny-meyer/

 

[feralkid]

How would nudie bars work? Do people on this forum really think a hot semi lesbian is going to put her boobs in your face for an hourly salary alone?

Semi lesbian...is that like a van ***?

 

[highland145]

True, the server doesn't know if you'll tip or not if they don't know you. Curious what the average is for a particular restaurant/area/etc.

 

[1prophet]

Pay living wages and get rid of tipping entirely.

Easy to pay living wages, hard part is getting the customer base to support it by paying more and the second part is getting motivated employees to work like they were when they got rewarded with higher tips,

after all why hustle when you get paid little to no more than the guy that just shows up to work and "goes through the motions".

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Semi lesbian...is that like a van ***?

No that's any female stripper. They learn to hate men.

 

[JEDI]

Has anyone mentioned that in many states, waitstaff in restaurants are exempt from being paid minimum wage?

what does that have to do with OP?

summary:
New higher minimum wage laws includes waiters in some cities/states.
eliminate tipping in those cities/statws. start by lowering tipps to 10%

 

[Ns1]

Easy to pay living wages, hard part is getting the customer base to support it by paying more and the second part is getting motivated employees to work like they were when they got rewarded with higher tips,

Amazing how it seems to work everywhere except the US.

 

[LevelSea]

Amazing how it seems to work everywhere except the US.

But the US has soooooo much better service because they're motivated by tips!

 

[Ns1]

We don't see those charges in the NYC metro area. Like I said, check and see if they are tied directly to a regulatory charge or something similar in your area. I'm curious.

Nope, these are local restaurateurs trying to change the compensation game and bring equity to BOH/FOH pay. That said, it also brings ambiguity as to what is exactly expected when we tip. Are we supposed to tip standard tip less service charge, standard tip, no tip?

The uber jackass ones are the ones that charge a mandatory 18% service fee, AND THEN add a tip line to the receipt.

Bill Chait, head of Sprout Restaurant Group, which includes some of Los Angeles’ most popular restaurants, including Bestia and Republique, said that under state law, service charges -- as opposed to tips -- are owned by the restaurant and can be distributed as the owner sees fit. That means it can be shared by kitchen workers as well as waitstaff. It can also be used to fund worker benefits, such as healthcare and retirement.

That’s an increasingly popular model, pioneered by such restaurants as Chez Panisse in Berkeley and the French Laundry in the Napa Valley. In Los Angeles, Trois Mec is the leading example.

At Chez Panisse, for example, the 17% service charge pays for 75% of employee health insurance, paid vacations, sick pay and a 401K plan as well as the salaries of both servers and cooks.

Earlier this year, a group of several Los Angeles restaurants, including some from Sprout Group, instituted a 3% service charge -- in addition to the tip -- with the stated purpose of offsetting the costs of adding employee healthcare coverage.

 

[Darwin333]

You'll need to have the tax code changed.

Why would the tax code need to be changed in order to directly tip a cook? Last I checked I can tip anyone I damn well please, it's just hard to actually interact with a cook.

 

[piasabird]

If a worker makes $15 hr they dont need a tip.

 

[superstition]

Why would the tax code need to be changed in order to directly tip a cook?

I guess you'll have to do the research to answer that.

Last I checked I can tip anyone I damn well please

that's nice

Hate being a server? Get a different job.

fascinating analysis

 

[Carson Dyle]

Here in Colorado, the minimum wage has been above the federal minimum for a while. There was just an initiative on the ballot in November to raise the amount further, which passed. However, the law here still provides for a minimum hourly wage for tipped employees to be $3.02 below the minimum for everyone else.

I suspect that's true in most places that have raised the minimum wage above the federal standard. They still permit tipped employees to be paid a lesser amount.

 

[ladyjd]

Pay living wages and get rid of tipping entirely.

Like Europe, Brazil...


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[highland145]

fascinating analysis

No analysis required. Just stop being a whining bitch about what the world "owes" you.