New IBM brain-like chip: 4096 cores, 1 million neurons, 5.4 billion transistors

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ninaholic37

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Also problary why chicks are smarter than dudes, adjusting for the weight difference girls got bigger brains. And more connections / synapses too ... (sry guys, we are loosing this fight, but some of you allready know that.)
If that's true, then why are almost all known geniuses men? Shouldn't math and science matter when it comes to measuring intelligence? Is it just society/cultural trends that makes women more flighty and dependent, so women (in general) don't use their brain to their full potential as much?
 

WaitingForNehalem

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Absolutely false. The brain is purely physical. A brain is ultimately just a computer designed by and for evolution.

Absolutely false. The brain is ultimately designed by God.

Why don't you go back to /r/atheism and keep your views out of the CPUs and Overclocking section. So sick of these militant atheists proclaiming their misinformed, pessimistic views as truth. Stop trying to spread your lack of beliefs as a belief, no one cares.
 

cytg111

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"The brain is ultimately designed by God." - Im truly sorry you feel that way. There is no method of setting another mind free via an online forum like this, if I could, I would. "Gods speed" dude
 

Revolution 11

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Well, I am probably agnostic/skeptical in my views even if I am privately religious but I prefer the label "secular humanist".
 

Fjodor2001

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I like the flying monster, it is a good joke. However Im sure that many selfproclaimed "atheists" are realle agnostic at hearth. Agnostic is problary the scientific way of being "atheist".

Yes, and you can count me in as one of the agnostics.

I just don't get how someone can believe there is a God for sure based on current "evidence". But if some better proof shows up, I'm ready to change my mind.
 
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WaitingForNehalem

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^LOL the amount of ignorance and immaturity was to be expected. It's OK, one day when you all grow up out of this rebellious stage and really contemplate things, your viewpoints won't be as simple. Until then, keep being indoctrinated by Richard Dawkins and pseudoscience.

Anyways, I'm out of this thread even though I've actually worked on designing a neuromorphic processor.
 

cytg111

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Anyways, I'm out of this thread even though I've actually worked on designing a neuromorphic processor.

- Thats a bold statement. Prove it.

Myself, been coding on AI 99% neural net, as a side occupation for the past 10-15 years. I am no stranger to code or AI. Prove you are?
 

Maxima1

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I like the flying monster, it is a good joke. However Im sure that many selfproclaimed "atheists" are realle agnostic at hearth. Agnostic is problary the scientific way of being "atheist".

Believing in a god is similar to believing that a cat or a laptop etc. was always existing. It's just nonsensical. Even if you gave it the slightest chance of possibility, we know that 0.99~ = 1. ; ) We also know that a god is redundant because physics is saying that universes can come from "nothing".

The closest I've seen to a "scientific" explanation was Paola Zizzi's Big Wow theory. Even with that theory, the "conscious moment" didn't create the universe, and who would take seriously the idea that a superintelligence came into being spontaneously somehow when the only other process we know took billions of years for intelligence?

^LOL the amount of ignorance and immaturity was to be expected. It's OK, one day when you all grow up out of this rebellious stage and really contemplate things, your viewpoints won't be as simple. Until then, keep being indoctrinated by Richard Dawkins and pseudoscience.

Anyways, I'm out of this thread even though I've actually worked on designing a neuromorphic processor.
LOL Scientists are much more likely than the general population to be atheists, agnostics, or "nothing in particular". And with regards to the "greater" scientists, there is no contest.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v394/n6691/full/394313a0.html

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Absolutely false. The brain is ultimately designed by God.
People who believe this nonsense also have to explain the bizarre stuff in nature. Who designed the male duck's reproductive organ to be long and corkscrew in the opposite direction of the female's hoohoo (i.e. they don't fit together)? The female's hoohoo also has dead ends like a labyrinth so she won't easily get pregnant by rapey male ducks. But hey, it's your choice to believe in a creepy and self-defeating designer.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Absolutely false. The brain is purely physical. A brain is ultimately just a computer designed by and for evolution.

The brain may be physical, but consciousness is higher-level than that. And if you don't believe in the meta-physical, then I feel sorry for you. You're missing out on a lot of life.
 

witeken

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Absolutely false. The brain is ultimately designed by God.

Why don't you go back to /r/atheism and keep your views out of the CPUs and Overclocking section. So sick of these militant atheists proclaiming their misinformed, pessimistic views as truth. Stop trying to spread your lack of beliefs as a belief, no one cares.
You seem to be very sure that you're right. Why don't you show us some evidence like I did...

Misinformed? My opinions are based on scientific facts.
Pessimistic views? I'd rather call it humble.

I didn't try to spread my lack of belief, by the way. I didn't know this would turn into a religious discussion.

The brain may be physical, but consciousness is higher-level than that. And if you don't believe in the meta-physical, then I feel sorry for you. You're missing out on a lot of life.
Consciousness as far as I know is simply designed by evolution. Nothing meta-physical, whatever that means.
 

Fjodor2001

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What are realistic actual applications for this chip? And for later similar chips with even better performance?

Last I heard, AI research is kind of stuck and not advancing much. But I could be wrong...
 

krumme

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A brain is different from a neural network and a computer nomatter how fast it is - and have a unique capability - that it can change biologically. It means the brain can adapt. The brain have plasticity. It can rewire and use parts for new purpose easily within a life period and few years.

The brain is connested to earth and surroundings with a body and advanced sensory system. All flexible, evolving and atached to the plasticity of the brain. That system is a powerfull combination that goes far beyond processing power.

Only a very minor part of our brain is used for what we consider thinking and rational decicions making (here only some parts of the frontal lope). Most is muscle control. Feeling system - eg. mirror neurons. Stress handling. Attack, defend, runs, lay dead.

Artificial intelligence is great and will transform life and give us new possibilitis. But a brain - its not.
 

Qwertilot

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Realistic uses? Very much more power efficient image recognition and the like it seems so seemingly huge potential markets in robotics, self driving cars etc Probably sundry other stuff to do with pattern recognition.

As for AI research, well machine learning is in a good place right now. There's people (Google and 'friends') with enough data to make it usable for all sorts of things
 

krumme

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Better games We will get game engines and games that is not tied to a master thread in the same way we know. Far better AI. Now its still like the first civ game. Better dynamics. We will look back at bf4 and laugh.
 

Borealis7

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Scientists created a true AI computer. the first question they asked it was "is there a God?"
the computer took a couple of seconds and responded: "There is now."
 
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What are realistic actual applications for this chip? And for later similar chips with even better performance?

Last I heard, AI research is kind of stuck and not advancing much. But I could be wrong...

why is it stuck? where are they, and why can't they push further?
 

Idontcare

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IBM cracks open a new era of computing with brain-like chip: 4096 cores, 1 million neurons, 5.4 billion transistors

Built on Samsung’s 28nm process and with a monstrous transistor count of 5.4 billion, this is one of the largest and most advanced computer chips ever made.

Wait, so IBM develops and manufactures the largest and most advanced computer chip "ever made" and they do so with Samsung's 28nm process and not their own internal process?
 

Idontcare

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why is it stuck? where are they, and why can't they push further?

In the trenches, so to speak, AI was heralded as the next coming of jesus superior advanced algorithms...however it kinda turned out to be a bunch of bunk so far because all you end up with is an over-optimized multivariate algorithm that is no good at doing anything other than what its training test data suite encompassed. (speaking from experience in the realm of using/developing/advancing AI algorithms for finance modeling)
 

cytg111

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Wait, so IBM develops and manufactures the largest and most advanced computer chip "ever made" and they do so with Samsung's 28nm process and not their own internal process?

Id like to know whos buying them? Whats the business model? I sort of dont get it.

..however it kinda turned out to be a bunch of bunk so far because all you end up with is an over-optimized multivariate algorithm that is no good at doing.. "

- AI have actually gotten pretty far a head in the last decade. I totally get where you are coming from though yet you cant view AI as a single dicipline. Combine neural nets with bayesian reasoning, fuzzy logic and old school expert systems and you start to get something real.
Ie. I've been following opencog.org since its inception and I believe it is one of the potentials outthere. Seen the series "Person of interest"? - A little too scary for my taste.
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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In the trenches, so to speak, AI was heralded as the next coming of jesus superior advanced algorithms...however it kinda turned out to be a bunch of bunk so far because all you end up with is an over-optimized multivariate algorithm that is no good at doing anything other than what its training test data suite encompassed. (speaking from experience in the realm of using/developing/advancing AI algorithms for finance modeling)

In a number of fields, AI has done very well for itself (depending on ones EXACT definition of AI).

For example, Chess computers in the late 1970s, early 1980s were easy to beat, by even fairly low end human chess players.

These days, even the Human world Chess champion, would have extreme difficulty beating a very strong program, on a powerful enough computer.

The game of Draughts (I think it is called Checkers in US), has been fully solved, and the end game result effectively known/proven a few years ago, now.

I think what happens with many AI systems, is that they show amazing/great/good results in the early stages of development, which makes the project go well, and get more support.
i.e. Low hanging fruit.

But later on, things tend to get massively (exponentially) harder, and ever increasing amounts of AI team efforts and/or computing time, produce little real improvement to the AI things abilities.
i.e. High/difficult hanging fruit.

Going back to the Chess program, AI example. One that is capable of beating the world chess (human) champion.

Although technically speaking, it IS AI. Really, it is just a (mathematical like) program, often written by someone who is a very good chess player. With a somewhat "brute-force" type of computing algorithm, rather than something which is made out of "Pure" AI elements, such as neural networks.

i.e. It just goings though a huge number of possible moves, scores them, and chooses the one with the best score.
So it is really showing how fast and powerful, todays computers have become, rather than "real" AI.

E.g. Plug a microphone into the chess software, and say "hello" to it, will probably NOT get an answer of "Hi, I'm fed up with playing Chess, can I now post on ATOT, with a thread about "Why do people post stuff on forums, when they have got better things to do, such as play me chess games ?"
 
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