New iMac Pro in badass black, 18-core Xeon, 128 GB ECC, AMD Vega, 4 TB SSD, 10 GigE

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The title says it all.

And yes I'm serious.

Available in December 2017
 

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Interested in how this mega beast is cooled.

They have a brand new cooling system that's designed to maximize airflow while keeping noise down.

I'm intrigued by the iMac Pro, but I can't help but see it as a sort of in-betweener or stopgap. It's for pros that just can't wait until sometime in 2018 to get a new rig, or for the sort who may do serious multi-core work (say, 4K video editing) but doesn't need a monster GPU or 30TB of internal storage. I can't help but think that it'll take a hit when the reborn Mac Pro arrives.
 
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They have a brand new cooling system that's designed to maximize airflow while keeping noise down.

I'm intrigued by the iMac Pro, but I can't help but see it as a sort of in-betweener or stopgap. It's for pros that just can't wait until sometime in 2018 to get a new rig, or for the sort who may do serious multi-core work (say, 4K video editing) but doesn't need a monster GPU or 30TB of internal storage. I can't help but think that it'll take a hit when the reborn Mac Pro arrives.


I think you are spot on.

It does seem like a stopgap until mid 2018. Unless left with no choice, I will wait to see what 2018 brings.
 

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They have a brand new cooling system that's designed to maximize airflow while keeping noise down.

I'm intrigued by the iMac Pro, but I can't help but see it as a sort of in-betweener or stopgap. It's for pros that just can't wait until sometime in 2018 to get a new rig, or for the sort who may do serious multi-core work (say, 4K video editing) but doesn't need a monster GPU or 30TB of internal storage. I can't help but think that it'll take a hit when the reborn Mac Pro arrives.
I asked this in the WWDC thread, but do we even know that the Mac Pro is being reborn next year? That was the hub-bub a couple months ago when some article decried the horrid state of desktop Macs, reporting that Apple had learned the Trash Can Pro was not a good design for the evolution of GPUs.

And yet here again Apple goes further into the direction of absolute integration. Why spend all their energy stuffing a workstation into an iMac chassis that won't launch until December? Is it really that difficult to design an Apple-esque mid-tower with upgradeable RAM and storage, and 2 or 3 PCI-e slots?
 

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The rumors suggested when Apple had their press conference on the Mac Pro, the new Mac Pro had only been in development for something like 2 weeks.

Presumably the iMac Pro was their original plan moving forward for replacing the Mac Pro.
 

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Interested in how this mega beast is cooled.


I'm rather confused by this machine BTW. I don't know if this is the new Mac Pro or not. If not, then what is the Mac Pro? 18 cores is an awful lot. Is there yet another machine that has internal upgradability? If so that would be good for those that need it.
 

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I asked this in the WWDC thread, but do we even know that the Mac Pro is being reborn next year? That was the hub-bub a couple months ago when some article decried the horrid state of desktop Macs, reporting that Apple had learned the Trash Can Pro was not a good design for the evolution of GPUs.

And yet here again Apple goes further into the direction of absolute integration. Why spend all their energy stuffing a workstation into an iMac chassis that won't launch until December? Is it really that difficult to design an Apple-esque mid-tower with upgradeable RAM and storage, and 2 or 3 PCI-e slots?

They had a sit down with certain press a month or two ago about how they are going to bring out a fully modular Mac Pro, a new pro display and I believe an iMac Pro which we just saw today.
 

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I'm rather confused by this machine BTW. I don't know if this is the new Mac Pro or not. If not, then what is the Mac Pro? 18 cores is an awful lot. Is there yet another machine that has internal upgradability? If so that would be good for those that need it.

The new Mac Pro will likely have dual CPU sockets, more RAM slots, expandable internal storage and, hopefully, slots for dedicated GPUs and other peripherals. It'll be for the pro that needs the absolute fastest machine possible, or who'd rather not have a built-in display.
 

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Is it really a xeon? The only 18 core xeon are broadwell based. Skylake launches in a couple weeks.

Or do they mean that core i9 that was just announced?
 
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I'm kinda confused. Is this the new
Is it really a xeon? The only 18 core xeon are broadwell based. Skylake launches in a couple weeks.

Or do they mean that core i9 that was just announced?
Doesn't ship until December.


The ad says Xeon.

BTW, it looks like the bottom is vented, according to this second ad.


I guess that's where all the air is coming from in the gif below.

Interested in how this mega beast is cooled.
 
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Starting at $4999 - what a deal!

When you consider the price of a Quadro card alone, actually it's a Damn good deal for a fully supported Professional Workstation. Apple really surprised me on this one, looks like an olive branch to their professional community.
 
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When you consider the price of a Quadro card alone, actually it's a Damn good deal for a fully supported Professional Workstation. Apple really surprised me on this one, looks like an olive branch to their professional community.

yea i was gonna bitch about the price but its not that insane. the 8/16 CPUs are not cheap either

whats gonna be silly is what the fully speced one costs as the 18 core xenon currently costs over 3k by itself
 

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I don't see what the big deal is other than it's technically a beast. Only the most demanding professional users can utilize this kind of power, and starting at $5K, it's out of range of most consumers.

Probably a good reason why the Mac Pro hasn't seen a significant update since launch. It only really appeals to professionals.

Apple is in a death spiral. It's just going to take longer this time because they have a lot more money to burn through than last time.
 

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yea i was gonna bitch about the price but its not that insane. the 8/16 CPUs are not cheap either

whats gonna be silly is what the fully speced one costs as the 18 core xenon currently costs over 3k by itself

Intel Xeon pricing is what it is due to lack of competition mostly, currently isn't the 18 Core Xeon something like over $5,000 by itself?

Just compare the new iMac Pro to the closest windows professional AIO which would probably be the Dell Precision 5720 series and Apple will actually be quite cheap compared to a similarly equipped Dell.
 

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I don't see what the big deal is other than it's technically a beast. Only the most demanding professional users can utilize this kind of power, and starting at $5K, it's out of range of most consumers.

Probably a good reason why the Mac Pro hasn't seen a significant update since launch. It only really appeals to professionals.

Apple is in a death spiral. It's just going to take longer this time because they have a lot more money to burn through than last time.

It's designed for professionals... that "Pro" moniker ain't there because it's catering to home users.

We know why Apple didn't update the Mac Pro -- the company admitted that it engineered itself into a corner for thermal design, and that its pro customers want something more expandable.

I don't think Apple is in a death spiral at all. It did run into serious trouble, but the iMac Pro and promises of a redesigned Mac Pro are signs it's climbing out of a hole, not digging one.
 

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When you consider the price of a Quadro card alone, actually it's a Damn good deal for a fully supported Professional Workstation. Apple really surprised me on this one, looks like an olive branch to their professional community.
Professional users want something modular and expandable, not a fully integrated machine. Combining the display with the machine is also a mistake for the professional workstation application, in my opinion.

$5000 and your only option is to get a new one if you need more capability sounds incredibly expensive, to me.

Just compare the new iMac Pro to the closest windows professional AIO which would probably be the Dell Precision 5720 series and Apple will actually be quite cheap compared to a similarly equipped Dell.
That's just the thing: a pro user in the market for a Dell is incredibly unlikely to buy an all-in-one solution. That person is most likely interested in a modular solution and will buy a tower, a set of monitors, and so on. Also, consider Dell's standard 3 year warranty for the Precision line. Dell also allows you to service your own machine without voiding the warranty, and you can readily get parts for it, so you can keep backups/spares for mission critical machines. These are things that appeal to professionals, so given the option, that's what they'd want to buy, not an all-in-one that requires an extended warranty.

I think people are looking at this iMac Pro purely on specs, not realizing the way workstations are actually used in the real world. It's a bad move; the "Pro" moniker really just means "expensive consumer."
 

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Professional users want something modular and expandable, not a fully integrated machine. Combining the display with the machine is also a mistake for the professional workstation application, in my opinion.

$5000 and your only option is to get a new one if you need more capability sounds incredibly expensive, to me.


That's just the thing: a pro user in the market for a Dell is incredibly unlikely to buy an all-in-one solution. That person is most likely interested in a modular solution and will buy a tower, a set of monitors, and so on. Also, consider Dell's standard 3 year warranty for the Precision line. Dell also allows you to service your own machine without voiding the warranty, and you can readily get parts for it, so you can keep backups/spares for mission critical machines. These are things that appeal to professionals, so given the option, that's what they'd want to buy, not an all-in-one that requires an extended warranty.

I think people are looking at this iMac Pro purely on specs, not realizing the way workstations are actually used in the real world. It's a bad move; the "Pro" moniker really just means "expensive consumer."
For example, university teaching labs and scientific research labs are full of iMacs, often top-of-the-line with tons of RAM. I could see them buying a few of these too. I don't see them buying too many 18-core machines, but 8-core to 10-core with 32 GB to 64 GB of ECC RAM they would though.

And hey, it has 10 GigE.

The true hardcore Mac workstation users will be buying the Mac Pro in 2018, but that doesn't mean there is no market at all for an iMac Pro.
 
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Let's take a vote on the base 18 core (1TB SSD, Vega 56 Pro)


Intel sells the 18 core for what, 2-4k?

BOM on the rest can't be more than 2k

So 4-6k... Add 40% GM

5600-8400.

I'm gonna call it at 7999 for Base 18 Core.
 
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