New intel heatsinks

[Rubycon]

What's up with this design? pic

Should that be scrapped and replaced with a rice grain of AS5?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
What's up with this design? pic

Should that be scrapped and replaced with a rice grain of AS5?

I never use the paste/TIM that comes with any CPU or HSF.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

I never use the paste/TIM that comes with any CPU or HSF.

Honestly it's not worth the hassle of removing it. I did that on my last HSF, got my hands all dirty for hardly half a degree difference and the readings are accurate to that. Never again. :|

But this is strange as it doesn't cover the entire spreader. :Q

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Honestly it's not worth the hassle of removing it. I did that on my last HSF, got my hands all dirty for hardly half a degree difference and the readings are accurate to that. Never again. :|

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1929121

Read that, and take note that the ones dismissing the product have never tried it. In my experiences it makes cleaning the paste off the heatsinks a lot easier and less messy. I highly recommend it, as do about 154 or so other reviewers just on NewEgg's site.

Get the big bottles cheapest here I believe Link about $12.75 shipped for me to Florida.

 

[Conky]

I used a wooden stick(coffee stirrer type) and scraped that stuff right off. Then wiped it with a rag soaked with alcohol just to make sure I got all of it. Then I applied a super thin layer of AS3 to the heatsink and another super thin layer to the chip... checked to make sure there was full contact and then bolted it down and it's been running nice and cool ever since.

I didn't trust the looks of those "3 stripes" of gunk. :thumbsdown:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Honestly it's not worth the hassle of removing it. I did that on my last HSF, got my hands all dirty for hardly half a degree difference and the readings are accurate to that. Never again. :|

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1929121

Read that, and take note that the ones dismissing the product have never tried it. In my experiences it makes cleaning the paste off the heatsinks a lot easier and less messy. I highly recommend it, as do about 154 or so other reviewers just on NewEgg's site.

Get the big bottles cheapest here I believe Link about $12.75 shipped for me to Florida.

Or just buy a bottle of 91% Isopropyl for $3 from the pharmacy locally. Sheesh...we've been over this.

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Or just buy a bottle of 91% Isopropyl for $3 from the pharmacy locally. Sheesh...we've been over this.

Right, and clarify for anybody else reading that you've never used ArctiClean, and perhaps never used anything other than alcohol? We're glad you're so pleased with alcohol, but for those looking for something easier and more effective, this is a good, and relatively cheap alternative. Thanks for being such an authority on something you've never used though.

 

[SparkyJJO]

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I'll keep it civil and just say shame shame intel. I started to type a rant about intel but I'll refrain from posting it

 

[Operandi]

Leave it as is; Intel knows what they are doing.

Nice pic btw.

 

[Baked]

Saves Intel a bundle of money by putting on less TIM.

Who the hell uses the retail HSF anyway.

 

[jimmyj68]

Before you rant at Intel, take the time to look and think. We've known for ages that preapplied TIM was wax based and would melt and spread over the heat sink and processor after heat is first appled. For reasons known only to the heatsink/fan manufacturer (not Intel), they opted to apply enough material at three points on the heatsink and allow it to melt and fill in over the surface of the heatsink. You don't have just three little strips of TIM.

For Msdawn, someone should have explained this to you from the get-go instead of turning your thread into an argument about cleaners for heatsinks. You can use your heatsink as it sits with no fear of inadequate cooling. If you choose to remove the prapplied TIM, take your choice from the products talked about in the thread.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Honestly it's not worth the hassle of removing it. I did that on my last HSF, got my hands all dirty for hardly half a degree difference and the readings are accurate to that. Never again. :|

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1929121

Read that, and take note that the ones dismissing the product have never tried it. In my experiences it makes cleaning the paste off the heatsinks a lot easier and less messy. I highly recommend it, as do about 154 or so other reviewers just on NewEgg's site.

Get the big bottles cheapest here I believe Link about $12.75 shipped for me to Florida.

thats just plain stoopid to recommend that she take the pads off when you have no clue what temps she will get using the pads!!
The pads will give you the same temps as using AS5 will give you!
AS5 is way over rated!!!!

take note those recommending taking the pads off have no clue whether you will get good temps or not!!

I will tell you from experience that you will get the same temps as if you were using AS5!!
Why go to all that work removing that stuff when you do not nee to??

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Honestly it's not worth the hassle of removing it. I did that on my last HSF, got my hands all dirty for hardly half a degree difference and the readings are accurate to that. Never again. :|

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1929121

Read that, and take note that the ones dismissing the product have never tried it. In my experiences it makes cleaning the paste off the heatsinks a lot easier and less messy. I highly recommend it, as do about 154 or so other reviewers just on NewEgg's site.

Get the big bottles cheapest here I believe Link about $12.75 shipped for me to Florida.

Are you pushing your stupid sh!t cleaner again? Do you work for AS5? 'Cause by now I'm 100% you are, or you wish you are. This POS product serves absolutely no purchase other than draining money from J6Ps like you.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: Baked
Saves Intel a bundle of money by putting on less TIM.

Who the hell uses the retail HSF anyway.

I don't know how much it will save - it looks thicker so it may eventually spread out? Or a losing a few C/W isn't as critical as these C2D's are not the furnaces the prescotts were?

Oh and the retail HSF is fine when you have no other choice. It's not like I can ring up heatsink factory and have them send me a heatsink overnight.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

I've checked several Intel heat spreaders, some were found to be .0025" concave.
If a one piece pad were used on a concave chip...An air bubble would be trapped.
Several here have posted about having problems latching stock Intel HSs. The pad is so
thick, the board bends. Stock one piece pads are .019" thick.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ carries the VG AMD approved Shin Etsu pads.


...Galvanized

:lips:

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
I've checked several Intel heat spreaders, some were found to be .0025" concave.
If a one piece pad were used on a concave chip...An air bubble would be trapped.
Several here have posted about having problems latching stock Intel HSs. The pad is so
thick, the board bends. Stock one piece pads are .019" thick.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ carries the VG AMD approved Shin Etsu pads.


...Galvanized

:lips:

Wow that sounds really out of whack. I should give it to an inspector. I always wanted to see the CMM's in action.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Chip heat spreaders can be very carefully lapped. Both AMD and Intel use copper heat
spreaders that have a strike of nickel on them to prevent corrosion. All of the AMD spreaders
I've checked were near dead flat. Most of the Intel were slightly concave, about .0005" .

To lap a chip, cut a block of styrofoam slightly smaller than the pin area, press it onto the pins,
use water-resistant tape around the edge of the heat spreader onto the styrofoam, then lap it.

At .0005" concave, I would not lap, but at .0025" I did.


...Galvanized

 

[OCNewbie]

What did you use to measure how concave they were and where you can get a such a device that would give reasonable measurements that small and that isn't too expensive? Thanks

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie
What did you use to measure how concave they were and where you can get a such a device that would give reasonable measurements that small and that isn't too expensive? Thanks

A 6" machinist rule and feeler gauge or dial caliper with depth probe.

Set the rule across the chip's spreader then measure.

A skilled eye can make a real close judgement by the amount of light leaking under the rule.
The chip & rule would be held up to the sky or back-lighted by a lamp.


...Galvanized

 

[Rubycon]

Perhaps this new striated design (hehe) is to make up for the shortcomings of the lackluster tolerances of the attached thermal spreader.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

My dear Dawn,

That's why the grain of rice technique is used=no air is trapped.

Frankly, I was quite suprised when I measured the thickness of the stock Intel TIM pad at .019".


...Galvanized

 

[Hikari]

If you're not going to OC, I don't see the point of taking it off. The E6600 I have was idling at 35C w/the stock HSF, and it isn't that loud at all. Nothing like the jet turbines they had on the Pentium Ds...

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Or just buy a bottle of 91% Isopropyl for $3 from the pharmacy locally. Sheesh...we've been over this.

Right, and clarify for anybody else reading that you've never used ArctiClean, and perhaps never used anything other than alcohol? We're glad you're so pleased with alcohol, but for those looking for something easier and more effective, this is a good, and relatively cheap alternative. Thanks for being such an authority on something you've never used though.

ive used both and worked the same. Knock it off already.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

I never use the paste/TIM that comes with any CPU or HSF.

Honestly it's not worth the hassle of removing it. I did that on my last HSF, got my hands all dirty for hardly half a degree difference and the readings are accurate to that. Never again. :|

But this is strange as it doesn't cover the entire spreader. :Q

Thats because as it heats it will melt and spread out and fill in the uncovered areas. If they coated the whole heatsink, the TIM would slowly ooze out of the side of the heatsink and the excess would eventualy end up on the motherboard.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Operandi
Leave it as is; Intel knows what they are doing.

Nice pic btw.

Yep, Maximum PC proved that the stock TIM out performed any 3rd part goop avalable on the aftermarket.