New Intel SSD drives are in!!!

[Owls]

AT's recent article on SSD made mention that this should be fixed with a driver update.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
I have bought such things, it has nothing to do with me being upset about the tactic.

What upsets you then? You claim Newegg is lying that the original price was $349.99. How do you know its a lie?

If you don't know for a fact that Newegg never ever listed the sale price of the item as $349.99 (even if only momentarily) then what is there to be upset about?

 

[Owls]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: taltamir
I have bought such things, it has nothing to do with me being upset about the tactic.

What upsets you then? You claim Newegg is lying that the original price was $349.99. How do you know its a lie?

If you don't know for a fact that Newegg never ever listed the sale price of the item as $349.99 (even if only momentarily) then what is there to be upset about?

I believe he just posts to up his post count. He's even arguing with me about... I don't even know what he is arguing about because it doesn't even make sense.

 

[taltamir]

Owls this is out of line. You started personally attacking me in that other thread where our argument originated, now you go around attacking me in every thread? Go read the rules of the forum and stop engaging in such behavior.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: taltamir
I have bought such things, it has nothing to do with me being upset about the tactic.

What upsets you then? You claim Newegg is lying that the original price was $349.99. How do you know its a lie?

If you don't know for a fact that Newegg never ever listed the sale price of the item as $349.99 (even if only momentarily) then what is there to be upset about?

It upsets me because it is a trick meant to swindle people. It has nothing to do with either market value or MSRP. It is simply a con to trick people into thinking they are getting a "discount".

As for dealing with it in the past in other types of purchases... that makes me even MORE upset at the tactic. I am aware of it and will never fall for it, but I am not upset because they are tricking me, I am upset because they are TRYING to trick me. Even though they fail, the attempt insults and angers me.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: taltamir
I have bought such things, it has nothing to do with me being upset about the tactic.

What upsets you then? You claim Newegg is lying that the original price was $349.99. How do you know its a lie?

If you don't know for a fact that Newegg never ever listed the sale price of the item as $349.99 (even if only momentarily) then what is there to be upset about?

It upsets me because it is a trick meant to swindle people. It has nothing to do with either market value or MSRP. It is simply a con to trick people into thinking they are getting a "discount".

As for dealing with it in the past in other types of purchases... that makes me even MORE upset at the tactic. I am aware of it and will never fall for it, but I am not upset because they are tricking me, I am upset because they are TRYING to trick me. Even though they fail, the attempt insults and angers me.

Well if you really want to think it thru, contemplate why the concept of MSRP even exists, let alone why it is that you or I even know what the MSRP is.

MSRP and market value are also just marketing tactics.

As for trying to trick you...I suppose if you really want to dig down into the philosophical issues you have with what is going on there then I suspect you'll end at the conclusion that anyone attempting to make any profit whatsoever is ultimately trying to trick you.

Both newegg and Intel are selling these at profit, and profit means they sold to you above cost, they tricked you man, con'ed you right out of your money into paying above cost for something.

 

[Swivelguy2]

Originally posted by: taltamir
I have bought such things, it has nothing to do with me being upset about the tactic.

Originally posted by: taltamir

It upsets me because it is a trick meant to swindle people.

Even though they fail, the attempt insults and angers me.

Well, which is it then?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: her209
$233
http://www.keenzo.com/showprod...A2MH080G2R5&ID=4180132

Someone must be monitoring this thread because its already out of stock. LOL.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: taltamir
I have bought such things, it has nothing to do with me being upset about the tactic.

What upsets you then? You claim Newegg is lying that the original price was $349.99. How do you know its a lie?

If you don't know for a fact that Newegg never ever listed the sale price of the item as $349.99 (even if only momentarily) then what is there to be upset about?

It upsets me because it is a trick meant to swindle people. It has nothing to do with either market value or MSRP. It is simply a con to trick people into thinking they are getting a "discount".

As for dealing with it in the past in other types of purchases... that makes me even MORE upset at the tactic. I am aware of it and will never fall for it, but I am not upset because they are tricking me, I am upset because they are TRYING to trick me. Even though they fail, the attempt insults and angers me.

Well if you really want to think it thru, contemplate why the concept of MSRP even exists, let alone why it is that you or I even know what the MSRP is.

MSRP and market value are also just marketing tactics.

As for trying to trick you...I suppose if you really want to dig down into the philosophical issues you have with what is going on there then I suspect you'll end at the conclusion that anyone attempting to make any profit whatsoever is ultimately trying to trick you.

Both newegg and Intel are selling these at profit, and profit means they sold to you above cost, they tricked you man, con'ed you right out of your money into paying above cost for something.

Not at all, I have expressed my whole hearted support at them selling at above MSRP. For example on the current intel X25-M 80GB G2, there is nothing wrong with them selling it for 400$, and in fact it is annoying to see people COMPLAIN and call it gouging...

But if they take an X25-M 80GB G2, sell it for 400$ and write "original price 569$" then it is an attempt to swindle people. They are pretending it is discounted, instead of admitting that it is marked up due to lack of stock (Which is perfectly fair and honest to do).

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Swivelguy2

Originally posted by: taltamir
I have bought such things, it has nothing to do with me being upset about the tactic.

Originally posted by: taltamir

It upsets me because it is a trick meant to swindle people.

Even though they fail, the attempt insults and angers me.

Well, which is it then?

how do those contradict?
1. I have bought such items, it is not "unfamiliarity" that bothers me
2. They are not "tricking" me into thinking I am buying it at a discount, I am AWARE that It is being marked up.
3. I have nothing against mark up due to lack of product, in fact it is entirely fair for me to pay extra because there is very few items and everyone wants them
4. I am insulted and angered by the attempt to trick me into thinking that it is a discounted product when it is, in fact, not.

"fake discounts" bother me.
"haggling" does not
"mark ups" do not.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
But if they take an X25-M 80GB G2, sell it for 400$ and write "original price 569$" then it is an attempt to swindle people. They are pretending it is discounted, instead of admitting that it is marked up due to lack of stock (Which is perfectly fair and honest to do).

OK ok I think I see what your beef is now.

But isn't there still a manner of subjective discretion to this in that the length of time for which the item was priced higher before being priced lower is an arbitrary threshold of personal perception?

If Newegg truly bumped up the price and then after a period of time (call it X) they subsequently decreased the price then how long does X need to be before it is not a trick?

If X is ms is it a trick? What about minutes, hours, or days? At some arbitrary point, X is long enough that you subjectively view it as being a "price drop" versus "marketing trick".

 

[taltamir]

yes. it is rather subjective and goes on a case by case basis.
Although, if they increased the price much beyond what anyone else did, then dropped it, then wrote original price... then they are probably not trying to trick people, but are way out of touch with the market. (which earns my pity, not scorn). I have seen companies that seem clueless about things like the internet or supply and demand (usually small companies) and it is quite sad to look at.

 

[Owls]

Yes, it's quite sad for companies to take advantage of consumers on what is clearly a hot product due to supply being so low. I've just described every single console launch in existence and despite my feeble attempt at searching I have not seen your ire about the Wii, 360, and PS3.

I know what it is, clearly you are in love with the x25-m.

 

[runestone]

What type/brand of mounting adapter have those who received the SDD's used to install in your 3.5" bays?
I'm looking at having to mail order one- I see a fairly large variation in prices and complexity for this simple device. I do miss having the old CompUsa store around; no one else here has any hardware like this.
What really bugs me is having to spend as much for shipping as the lower end products cost.
As far as I know, my OEM order will not have an adapter.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Owls
Yes, it's quite sad for companies to take advantage of consumers on what is clearly a hot product due to supply being so low. I've just described every single console launch in existence and despite my feeble attempt at searching I have not seen your ire about the Wii, 360, and PS3.

I know what it is, clearly you are in love with the x25-m.

I have clearly expressed that is perfectly legitimate to raise prices due to demand.

 

[ilkhan]

Originally posted by: runestone
What type/brand of mounting adapter have those who received the SDD's used to install in your 3.5" bays?
I'm looking at having to mail order one- I see a fairly large variation in prices and complexity for this simple device. I do miss having the old CompUsa store around; no one else here has any hardware like this.
What really bugs me is having to spend as much for shipping as the lower end products cost.
As far as I know, my OEM order will not have an adapter.

I "mounted" mine to the bottom of my case with same easy-remove tape. Hasn't moved yet.

Still wondering *if* we have an answer to this yet

Originally posted by: ilkhan
re: raid and trim

Do we know if a new driver is all it'll take to pass along the trim commands or if it'll require new hardware, especially for ICH-R/PCH-R RAID?

 

[Majic 7]

Something changed in the last two days. Had a pre-order at Amazon for the 160 G2 with a supposed shipping date of Sep. 21 to the 24th. Got an email Sunday that the order was cancelled because they didn't get any stock in. Tried BLT Monday morning, pre-ordered and everything seemed fine. Got an email today to call them and a voice mail about it. Haven't called yet but the order page says it is constrained and Intel is not taking any orders at this time. Not Available at all. I can still find the 80GB here and there at around 250 to 300$ but unless you want to pay over 600$ the 160 isn't going to happen. Wonder what the deal with Intel and the 160s is? Are the only suppliers getting stock the ones charging over 600$, and if so why? Or do that many more people want the 160 over the 80 and Intel didn't figure that out in time? One thing for sure they totally underestimated the demand.

 

[nbuubu]

Originally posted by: Majic 7
Something changed in the last two days. Had a pre-order at Amazon for the 160 G2 with a supposed shipping date of Sep. 21 to the 24th. Got an email Sunday that the order was cancelled because they didn't get any stock in. Tried BLT Monday morning, pre-ordered and everything seemed fine. Got an email today to call them and a voice mail about it. Haven't called yet but the order page says it is constrained and Intel is not taking any orders at this time. Not Available at all. I can still find the 80GB here and there at around 250 to 300$ but unless you want to pay over 600$ the 160 isn't going to happen. Wonder what the deal with Intel and the 160s is? Are the only suppliers getting stock the ones charging over 600$, and if so why? Or do that many more people want the 160 over the 80 and Intel didn't figure that out in time? One thing for sure they totally underestimated the demand.

Same thing happened to me. Amazon finally cancelled my order, and then I ordered one from BLT on Monday morning. When I ordered their stock server said they were expecting a large shipment in today, then this afternoon I checked and saw it was constrained.

Couple hours later BLT called to verify my credit card info and said they had a huge shipment of the 160GB in today. And mine is scheduled for delivery on Wednesday. I think they just have a glitch in their order system or something.

$477 is more than the $433 that Zip Zoom Fly has had listed forever (but has never to my knowledge actually had in stock), but it's a damn sight better than the crazy prices other stores are asking. Was really impressed by BLT, if this works out I'll be giving them some of my previous Newegg business.

 

[Majic 7]

Good to hear, from the sound of the guy's voice on my answering machine I assumed it was not good news. I will call them tomorrow and see what the deal is.

 

[capeconsultant]

Seems to me that we live in a culture of supply and demand. Remember the Miata? Or the original Prius?

 

[Majic 7]

Crap, I guess I should have got off work earlier Mon. Nothing for me other than they wanted to know if I wanted to cancel my order. Everything is still under constraint and they are not to take any more orders and Intel doesn't know when they will be shipping. I told BLT I had a month before I wanted it and he thought that would work. We'll see. He thought they were having trouble with the supply of one of the necessary ingredients for production, something from Africa, perhaps tantalum. The largest source for tantalum is coltan ore which is smuggled out of the Congo with all the related troubles associated with assholes with guns. Read this in Discover.

 

[Swivelguy2]

Originally posted by: taltamirAlthough, if they increased the price much beyond what anyone else did, then dropped it, then wrote original price... then they are probably not trying to trick people, but are way out of touch with the market. (which earns my pity, not scorn). I have seen companies that seem clueless about things like the internet or supply and demand (usually small companies) and it is quite sad to look at.

Isn't that exactly what Newegg did? Didn't they have the 80GB G2 up above $600 or something after the latest AT article confirming that it was still the best?

 

[apetryk]

FYI Amazon showing the 80GB retail X25M G2 in stock right now for $248.65 (mine just delivered today).

edit: Actually I misread - showing "In Stock On September 24".

 

[Majic 7]

BLT called me back and somehow got Intel to ship me a OEM 160 direct, $11 dollars more for shipping. Wasn't expecting that. Then I was checking their site and found this http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin...tml&order_id=465227756 Could have saved myself some trouble if I had found this first. Not sure why no one told me about this as an alternative but they did go the extra mile to get me what I ordered. The OEM 160 is still constrained and the guy I talked to said Intel was going to raise wholesale prices up to about 470 to 485. So expect higher prices in any event.

 

[nbuubu]

Been very impressed by BLT. Could tell they're hammered with calls but were very professional and actually knew something about the situation with these drives.