New Intel SSD drives are in!!!

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Cavicchi
Please run a test yourself, I just did myself. I disabled hibernation via the powercfg -h off command. I got the APC error regarding hibernation. No big idea. I told it not to pop up again. In my Runtime option, it's configured to shutdown my computer after running on battery for 3 minutes. I went and pull the power cord from the UPS off the outlet. Now my computer is running on battery. After 3 minutes, my computer gracefully shutdown, not hibernate or try to hibernate because hibernation is disable. Disabling hibernation does not mean the APC PowerChute software become useless. Sure hibernation would come in handy if I was running something and my computer shutdown in that state but I don't care that as long as my OS is shutdown gracefully.

How about you run a test where you do NOT disable hibernate? you will see that it will hibernate instead of shutting down when possible.
It is certainly impressive that it will fallback to shutting down if hibernate is disabled; but the default "shut down" operation is hibernate

 

[Krynj]

Only posting in this thread to say I ordered an 80GB G2 from eCost today. Very, very excited to get it.

 

[RollerBoySE]

Originally posted by: astralsolace
Got my new 160GB G2 X-25M.

Test 1:

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CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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Sequential Read : 260.279 MB/s
Sequential Write : 104.043 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 212.608 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 104.284 MB/s
Random Read 4KB : 16.689 MB/s
Random Write 4KB : 32.506 MB/s

Test Size : 100 MB
Date : 2009/10/01 21:42:56
Test 2:

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CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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Sequential Read : 259.164 MB/s
Sequential Write : 103.871 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 200.143 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 104.008 MB/s
Random Read 4KB : 17.109 MB/s
Random Write 4KB : 32.719 MB/s

Test Size : 100 MB
Date : 2009/10/01 21:46:49

Are the Random Read/Write 4KBs low? Overall, pleased with it..

It is lower than mine on 4k-blocks:

Intel 160GB X25-M G2 SATA SSD
Windows 7 Ultimate RTM 64-bit
ICH10 AHCI MS-drivers
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CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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Sequential Read : 266.559 MB/s
Sequential Write : 103.580 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 217.222 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 103.512 MB/s
Random Read 4KB : 22.982 MB/s
Random Write 4KB : 65.558 MB/s
Test Size : 100 MB

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Engineer
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Price raised at the ZZF eBay auction but it's down on the site. $249.99 - 3% Bing - $30.00 rebate = $212.49 with free shipping after rebate.

Click me. (OEM)

 

[zuffy]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Cavicchi
Please run a test yourself, I just did myself. I disabled hibernation via the powercfg -h off command. I got the APC error regarding hibernation. No big idea. I told it not to pop up again. In my Runtime option, it's configured to shutdown my computer after running on battery for 3 minutes. I went and pull the power cord from the UPS off the outlet. Now my computer is running on battery. After 3 minutes, my computer gracefully shutdown, not hibernate or try to hibernate because hibernation is disable. Disabling hibernation does not mean the APC PowerChute software become useless. Sure hibernation would come in handy if I was running something and my computer shutdown in that state but I don't care that as long as my OS is shutdown gracefully.

How about you run a test where you do NOT disable hibernate? you will see that it will hibernate instead of shutting down when possible.
It is certainly impressive that it will fallback to shutting down if hibernate is disabled; but the default "shut down" operation is hibernate

The point of my test was to prove that the computer will shutdown if hibernation is disabled because you claim that nothing would happen if hibernation is disabled. Now we know that is false. So why would I need to test hibernation when I know it will work if hibernation is enable??? Not everybody need hibernation during a power loss. My main concern is the OS shutting down gracefully and I got that.

 

[taltamir]

The point of my test was to prove that the computer will shutdown if hibernation is disabled because you claim that nothing would happen if hibernation is disabled

I claimed that the program manual SAYS shut down but will actually hibernate.
I SAID that the program is useless without that function, and it relatively is, because "shutting down" does not protect your data like hibernate does. You lose as much data from a power outtage as from "shutting down". with some rare exceptions.

Granted I actually DID assume it will do nothing if hibernate is disabled (even though I could try to spin the above two claims to mean I didn't), rather then fall back to shutting down. But I conceded the point immediately because you have no reason to lie to me about this.

 

[her209]

Has anyone done a SSD to SSD transfer over gigabit Ethernet? I'd be curious to see what kind of throughput you got.

 

[zod96]

Are these drives good enough for hardcore gaming?

 

[zuffy]

Originally posted by: taltamir

The point of my test was to prove that the computer will shutdown if hibernation is disabled because you claim that nothing would happen if hibernation is disabled

I claimed that the program manual SAYS shut down but will actually hibernate.
I SAID that the program is useless without that function, and it relatively is, because "shutting down" does not protect your data like hibernate does. You lose as much data from a power outtage as from "shutting down". with some rare exceptions.

Granted I actually DID assume it will do nothing if hibernate is disabled (even though I could try to spin the above two claims to mean I didn't), rather then fall back to shutting down. But I conceded the point immediately because you have no reason to lie to me about this.

A graceful shutdown is not even comparable to a sudden power off. If you can't tell the difference, I have nothing else to say. The only data you are losing is if you have an unsaved doc or running some encoding/decoding/rendering. Again, something I don't care for because none of those scenario apply to me. Everyone will have a different level of risk tolerance.

 

[taltamir]

give me an example where you lose data on a powerloss but not on a shutdown?
There might be some specific programs like hosting services and the like you find in the business sector but not really in the home user market.
And then there is the rare rare occurance where windows is installing an update exactly when you have a sudden power loss (which can lead to OS file corruption).
I did say "with rare exceptions"... generally speaking, it is usually the same dataloss.

 

[dfedders]

Originally posted by: taltamir
give me an example where you lose data on a powerloss but not on a shutdown?
There might be some specific programs like hosting services and the like you find in the business sector but not really in the home user market.
And then there is the rare rare occurance where windows is installing an update exactly when you have a sudden power loss (which can lead to OS file corruption).
I did say "with rare exceptions"... generally speaking, it is usually the same dataloss.

Stop talking, and don't help anyone else with their computer, please. A power loss can cause corruption of the OS' system files, and also corruption of any other files that may be open or being written to when the power goes out.

Why do you think an OS has an option to "Shutdown"? It isn't just for shits and giggles.

 

[ilkhan]

Wow, I haven't seen taltamir dig himself that deep a hole in a long time. Poor dude. (aka: Taltamir- stop arguing, you're only making yourself look like an idiot)

her209: you'd be limited to the SSD write speed, 70-90MB/s.

zod96: HDD has little to do with modern gaming outside of load times. Games preload textures before they are needed and nothing else hits the HDD for significant data mid game. Depending on the game you may have (up to) a couple second advatage for grabbing vehicles and the like if the game doesn't have loading timer.

 

[Swivelguy2]

Originally posted by: zod96
Are these drives good enough for hardcore gaming?

It's not a question of whether or not these SSDs are good enough for gaming. There is nothing better than an X25-M on which to have your OS and games. The more pertinent question is whether or not rotating HDDs are still good enough for "hardcore" gaming now that SSDs are here. They probably still are, but it depends on exactly what "hardcore" means.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: her209
Has anyone done a SSD to SSD transfer over gigabit Ethernet? I'd be curious to see what kind of throughput you got.

With traditional drives I see average speed of 80MB/s. That's good enough for me.

 

[chrisf6969]

Originally posted by: zod96
Are these drives good enough for hardcore gaming?

harddrives don't really affect gaming that much per se.

So your question doesn't really make sense.

It like asking if a CPU cooler is good enough for hardcore gaming. It can let you overclock your CPU faste which will improve your overall experience, but it doesn't really directly affect your actual gaming.

A fast harddrive is a supporting piece of hardware than can make your load times faster so you won't be waiting as long for a new map / board to load. But thats about it. It could theoretically reduce the chance of some other type of issues like a low min. frame rate possibly, if there was some bottleneck caused by a slow harddrive. But you need all of the other components in place first. So as far as gaming is concerned you need a fast GPU, fast CPU and ample ram first, then after you have all of that you can consider getting a fast SSD if you have the budget for it. But generally speaking a decent Caviar Black would be fine.

So first make sure you have all of the other components in place.
ie:
3+Ghz CPU (preferrably quad core)
a good high end videocard
2Gb+ of ram, preferrably 4Gb.

 

[zod96]

I ordered the Intel X25-M G2 from ZZF for $220. 80GB version. Even with my games installed and W7 and all my other apps my HD now is only 40GB. For me 80GB is more than enough.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: dfedders

Originally posted by: taltamir
give me an example where you lose data on a powerloss but not on a shutdown?
There might be some specific programs like hosting services and the like you find in the business sector but not really in the home user market.
And then there is the rare rare occurance where windows is installing an update exactly when you have a sudden power loss (which can lead to OS file corruption).
I did say "with rare exceptions"... generally speaking, it is usually the same dataloss.

Stop talking, and don't help anyone else with their computer, please. A power loss can cause corruption of the OS' system files, and also corruption of any other files that may be open or being written to when the power goes out.

Why do you think an OS has an option to "Shutdown"? It isn't just for shits and giggles.

I suggest reading a post before replying to it

 

[dfedders]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: dfedders

Originally posted by: taltamir
give me an example where you lose data on a powerloss but not on a shutdown?
There might be some specific programs like hosting services and the like you find in the business sector but not really in the home user market.
And then there is the rare rare occurance where windows is installing an update exactly when you have a sudden power loss (which can lead to OS file corruption).
I did say "with rare exceptions"... generally speaking, it is usually the same dataloss.

Stop talking, and don't help anyone else with their computer, please. A power loss can cause corruption of the OS' system files, and also corruption of any other files that may be open or being written to when the power goes out.

Why do you think an OS has an option to "Shutdown"? It isn't just for shits and giggles.

I suggest reading a post before replying to it

I did. Did you forget about the part where you said "give me an example where you lose data on a powerloss but not on a shutdown" and "And then there is the rare rare occurance where windows is installing an update exactly when you have a sudden power loss".

It has nothing to do with a "rare occurance" when installing an update. It can happen at any point when the OS is writing to the drive. In fact, it happens quite often. Thats why computers have a "Shutdown" option and you don't just flick a switch or turn off the powerstrip.

 

[Lite Beer]

Newegg shell shocker has X25-80 2nd gen for $239

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Lite Beer
Newegg shell shocker has X25-80 2nd gen for $239

sold out already.

 

[lylerk]

I cannot figure out how to make my own thread so I guess I have to threadjack...?

I recently ordered the x-25m g2r5 from neweggs shellshocker and received the drive today. The drive was sealed in the box, and sealed in the anti-static bag. Upon inspection of the bottom of the drive, there are smudges all over the metal along with scratches. The threads also clearly show signs of use. When reading reviews of a similair drive, http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820167013, user "jpiszcz" says "When I got the SSD, it showed 54 hours of usage and 66 power cycles," I was just wondering if any of you guys know how I could test this on my own. I just want to verify that the drive is new. Newegg offered that either I keep it and they credit me 20$ or they replace it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!