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fleshconsumed

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It's old thing, definitely old. Newegg often deactivates stuff. The reason it appears otherwise is because deactivated items do not appear when you search newegg. The only way to see deactivated items is by going through link somebody posted somewhere on the web while the item was still active.
 

Majic 7

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Glad I ordered first thing this morning. The 80 was already out of stock but with a wish list thing. So I bit the bullet and got the 160. Neither are listed now. Don't have to check everyday and see if it's here yet. Only problem I've read about is if you set a password in the bios and change it, it may not work. So don't set a password until the firmware is updated, which will be soon.
 

drizek

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I have seen deactivated products before, but up until recently, never anything new that was deactivated because it was out of stock. Usually it just says notify me.
 

hammermill

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Glad to hear the deactivated part meant it became too popular and not a hardware issue as postmortemIA mentioned, lol.

Got the 80gb version last night from newegg. Stated as "Shipped" this morning, but still no UPS tracking number.

I read for most ssd you need to do some specific steps when formatting ssd drives (from the OCZ forums), offset and such. Same for these Intel drives? ..I plan to use WinXP w/SP3
 

yh125d

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you can just google search and get deactivated stuff, like try "e4300 newegg", for this just search "80gb intel SSD newegg" and look for the XXXXXXXXXG2XX
 

Yuriman

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Hello -

We received your order for an Intel X25-M Gen 2 SSD, and unfortunately, there's a
problem brewing! I left you a voicemail earlier, but I wanted to follow up to give
you full information about what is going on. We got the drives in this morning as
scheduled, but as we were preparing to ship it out, we got a call from Intel asking
us to hold our shipments, as they are issuing a product recall!

They haven't been able to tell us much yet, but what they've said is that there is a
BIOS flaw, in which if you update "the password", the data on the drive is lost.
What we're trying to get more information on is what "password" they're talking
about. If it is a drive-level encryption feature, then it might not affect many
people. If it is a OS password, it will effect a LOT of people. So, if you're OK
sitting tight, I should have more information later today, or on Monday.

Intel did also offer the Gen 1 drives at the same reduced price, so if that's
something you're interested in, I wanted to make you aware of that option.

Guy from Puget systems, where I ordered my drives yesterday.

I had him ship the drives anyway, but I think newegg is canceling all orders and sending the drives back to Intel.

I just got final word from Intel. It indeed is only a problem when using
drive-level encryption. Even better, it will be fixed with a firmware flash
you can do yourself, which will be released in about two weeks.
Alternately, we can wait those two weeks, and flash it for you before
shipping. Your call! We can actually still ship the drive today if I hear
back within the next half hour or so. Just let me know!
 

Forumpanda

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: Zap
Anand did a preview with some benchies.

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Whats up with the slow sustained write speeds on the Intel drives?

According to the preliminary benchmarks, while it has pretty low sequential writes, the random writes are better than anything else. Basically everything else pushes big numbers until the controller gets busy, then they get bogged down.

So, looks like there is still no single "best" MLC drive. With low sequential writes, installing or copying stuff to the drive would be slower than a VelociRaptor by 33%.

The Intel SLC drive has all the strengths of the Intel MLC drive without the weakness of low sequential writes. I'm wondering if Intel did this intentionally?

I guarantee installing stuff is dramatically faster than a Velociraptor. Random writes matter more than sequential even for that. Your typical installer application does a lot of random writes to register all the COM classes used by and file type recognized by the app, and to set stuff up for the Add/Remove programs app, etc. The only part that would be mostly sequential is copying game assets. And anyways where are you installing stuff from? Your DVD drive can't read much more than 10MB/s (and even that it can only reach on the second half of the disk).

The ONLY place where you will see an effect from the lower sequential write speed is copying large files to it. Well that and crash dumps. And even then it's better than most conventional hard drives. For the crash dumps I recommend making the WER directory a junction so they go to another drive. Also, consider this:
Velociraptor access time = 7.5ms (4.5ms seek time, plus 3ms for the platter to spin halfway around at 10K rpm to get to where it needs to be on average). 7.5ms * 70MB/s = 525KB head start for the SSD writing each file before the raptor even gets positioned to start the write. Since the Velociraptor's sequential write speed is 27.9MB/s faster than the SSD it takes 18.8ms for it to catch up, after writing 1842.2KB So when we say the Velociraptor has an advantage on "large" writes, this really means multi-megabyte files only. Writes this large are pretty rare. So much so that if the fragments of a huge file are all larger than 64MB, the defraggers built into Vista and Windows 7 don't consider the file to be fragmented.
QFT, random writes are soo much more important for speed when installing anything.
If you are really installing from a medium that does 80+ MB/s then it would take 50 seconds to install 4gb (4000/80) which I am sure most people can just manage to live through. (hint: any install that size will take longer on any spindle drive).

Also keep aforementioned time in mind when copying large files, is cutting a 4gb copy operation down to under 50 seconds really important compared to everything else?
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: hammermill
Glad to hear the deactivated part meant it became too popular and not a hardware issue as postmortemIA mentioned, lol.

Got the 80gb version last night from newegg. Stated as "Shipped" this morning, but still no UPS tracking number.

I read for most ssd you need to do some specific steps when formatting ssd drives (from the OCZ forums), offset and such. Same for these Intel drives? ..I plan to use WinXP w/SP3

You format it the same as any other drive.

However, if you use the XP CD to partition the drive, by default it starts the 1st partition at sector 63 which is not aligned on a 4K boundary (let alone 256KB needed to optimize for some SSDs). If you download the Windows 7 beta and use that to create your partition (without installing Windows 7) that will create it with optimal alignment.
 

wolfman11

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So since they are not showing as active with a price now - what was the egg asking for the 80gb / 160gb??
 

fleshconsumed

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Yuriman
That's nice customer service from Puget systems, whoever they are.

wolfman11
I believe
80GB - $230
160GB - $450
 

hammermill

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@solofly

That would be great if these g2 drives supported all the features. But I remember reading somewhere the "32MB wear levelling buffer, 90MB/sec sequential write performance, AES 128-bit Encryption, advanced NCQ Features with enhanced performance through status aggregation, and Advanced Smart Support" are for the next generation ssd drives from intel - sometimes in the Q2/3 2010 if I remember correctly.
 

shabby

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taltamir

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Originally posted by: ochadd
Does Newegg typically deactivate like this. They were out of stock all morning. I need one of these.

deactivated on newegg TYPICALLY means out of stock.
On high demand items they will activate several times a day as new stock arrives, then deactivate as it is sold out.
 

postmortemIA

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Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: ochadd
Does Newegg typically deactivate like this. They were out of stock all morning. I need one of these.

deactivated on newegg TYPICALLY means out of stock.
On high demand items they will activate several times a day as new stock arrives, then deactivate as it is sold out.

on page 2 on post by Yuriman there was explanation that deactivation is due to serious hardware issue...
 

NehalemBK

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***Public Service Announcement***

Intel has informed me of a bug in the X25-M G2 shipping firmware (02G2). This bug is specific to setting a hard drive password in your BIOS. If you have set a BIOS HDD password, then subsequently change or disable that password, the SSD may become inoperable. Intel is correcting the issue in firmware and will be posting a fix shortly. In summary:

* DO NOT set a BIOS HDD password on an X25-M G2.
* If you already have, DO NOT CHANGE OR DISABLE the BIOS HDD password.

It will be safe to do either of the above once the X25-M G2 is flashed to a newer firmware to be released by Intel shortly. Firmware, when available, can be reached by this not-yet-live link.

***End Public Service Announcement***

Link !
 
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Does anyone know when we can expect the 320GB models?

And when will the TRIM command firmware be available? Will we have to wait until Windows 7 official release in October for this, as some people (inc. myself) intend to get it on Aug 6th when it becomes available to MSDN subscribers.
 
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