New Intel SSD drives are in!!!

[Majic 7]

Taltamir: just means even I get tired of listening to myself if I let something get to me. I did find some posts at Hard Forums saying that Newegg told them that they held shipment at Intel's request. Doesn't excuse them from not emailing everyone affected and telling them what happened. It took two or three phone calls for some to get an answer.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir

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Interesting... look at the last line... it is CONFIDENTIAL and I am not allowed to share it or any part of it? excuse me? thats another illegal bullcrap. Something is confidential if a person signs an NDA, you cannot send someone an email or letter stating the info within is confidential and cannot be shared.

The part in bold is where your argument loses its purpose.

I could make the most ludicrous confidentiality statement I want, but provided it is followed up with the disclaimer that it is only valid where allowed by law then it means nothing to anyone if the law doesn't empower me to enforce the tenants.

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[allthatisman]

God I hate lawyers...

 

[DukeN]

Can someone advise me if I can replace my notebook SATA drive with one of the intel ones (once they become available)? Or is the form factor one that won't work?

Thanks

 

[subflava]

Interesting... look at the last line... it is CONFIDENTIAL and I am not allowed to share it or any part of it? excuse me? thats another illegal bullcrap. Something is confidential if a person signs an NDA, you cannot send someone an email or letter stating the info within is confidential and cannot be shared.

I'm not sure about the legal status of these types of disclaimers and I'm not a lawyer, but these notices/disclaimers are commonly used these days. Here's what we (the IT dept) had to setup our mail system to attach to the bottom of every e-mail. This did pass through our legal department, so it can't be complete BS (well, unless you think lawyers are BS to begin with, but that's another argument). A lot of companies in our industry also use something similar:

The information transmitted in this communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material. For more information about **** Group, please visit www.***.com

 

[subflava]

Originally posted by: DukeN
Can someone advise me if I can replace my notebook SATA drive with one of the intel ones (once they become available)? Or is the form factor one that won't work?

Thanks

Yes, it will work as these drives are SATA format. They'll pretty much work in any "standard" notebook that uses SATA.

 

[taltamir]

interesting, your team did NOT include the line "under applicable law"... actually this is something they use in EULAs too... they say where legal a lot, and provide statements that are blatantly illegal in all 50 states, hoping people will be bullied into following these statements, unaware of local law.

 

[CSMR]

My concern is first to get the right product in working order at a low price with no hassle. Distant second, in good time. Distant^2 third, everything else.

 

[1bigphil]

Update - just checked Newegg, G2's are no longer listed as discontinued items (80Gb, 160Gb). Still at $229 and $449 for now, but ETA is not until 8/28. Hoping this is an extremely conservative estimate as Intel promised a firmware fix and to begin reshipping within two weeks, and I really need one of these drives.

 

[CSMR]

Same here, I need one soon so a friend can bring me from the US when he visits.

 

[taltamir]

I gotta tell you, this is so worth the money. This is the best computer upgrade I have ever made. The speed of those babies is unbeleiveable

 

[fleshconsumed]

I just want to wait until TRIM firmware. It's hard because I'm sick of Vista and want to upgrade to W7, but I do not want to risk having to reinstall W7 if new firmware wipes out the drive or risk substandard performance because the drive would have been running so long without TRIM. *sigh*

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
I just want to wait until TRIM firmware. It's hard because I'm sick of Vista and want to upgrade to W7, but I do not want to risk having to reinstall W7 if new firmware wipes out the drive or risk substandard performance because the drive would have been running so long without TRIM. *sigh*

Fixing the substandard performance from running without TRIM is trivial once TRIM support is added. I could write an application using the NT defrag APIs to trigger Win7 to TRIM all the free space in an hour. (An hour to write the app that is. It would probably take 15-20 minutes to run.) There would be a bit of wear leveling done by it, since the TRIMs would be triggered by moving a temp file through all the clusters, so every free cluster would be re-written once, but shouldn't be too bad. Anyways, I think Intel said when TRIM support is added they are also supplying an app to TRIM the drive for Vista/XP users. My guess is this will also work in Win7, and be far more efficient since it won't need to rewrite all the free space to do it.

 

[glugglug]

When is the full review going to be completed? Is it waiting on the firmware fixing the password reset issue?

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
I just want to wait until TRIM firmware. It's hard because I'm sick of Vista and want to upgrade to W7, but I do not want to risk having to reinstall W7 if new firmware wipes out the drive or risk substandard performance because the drive would have been running so long without TRIM. *sigh*

Fixing the substandard performance from running without TRIM is trivial once TRIM support is added. I could write an application using the NT defrag APIs to trigger Win7 to TRIM all the free space in an hour. (An hour to write the app that is. It would probably take 15-20 minutes to run.) There would be a bit of wear leveling done by it, since the TRIMs would be triggered by moving a temp file through all the clusters, so every free cluster would be re-written once, but shouldn't be too bad. Anyways, I think Intel said when TRIM support is added they are also supplying an app to TRIM the drive for Vista/XP users. My guess is this will also work in Win7, and be far more efficient since it won't need to rewrite all the free space to do it.

or you can just use the drive and watch performance naturally increase over time

 

[allthatisman]

Im a bit confused, is there any reason why one would NOT buy the first Gen 160gb drive? I mean, I read the AT preview and it was sort of like comparing a 911 Turbo to a 911 Carerra. Sure the Turbo is faster, but it's just a little bit faster... they both fly. I know there is a difference with the TRIM function(still a bit confused with what that does), but other than that..? I only say this because Newegg has these in stock at the price of the new one, RIGHT NOW.

 

[glugglug]

Im a bit confused, is there any reason why one would NOT buy the first Gen 160gb drive? I mean, I read the AT preview and it was sort of like comparing a 911 Turbo to a 911 Carerra. Sure the Turbo is faster, but it's just a little bit faster... they both fly. I know there is a difference with the TRIM function(still a bit confused with what that does), but other than that..? I only say this because Newegg has these in stock at the price of the new one, RIGHT NOW.

TRIM will significantly increase the lifespan of your drive by decreasing how many clusters are immediately used in a freshly rewritten block when you fill the last cluster of the block causing a read-erase-write cycle. My ballpark guestimate is we are talking about doubling the drive lifespan here, in addition to the performance benefit of not having to read & rewrite as much.

For a better understanding of it, I highly recommend this article:
http://www.anandtech.com/stora...owdoc.aspx?i=3531&p=10

 

[subflava]

Originally posted by: allthatisman
Im a bit confused, is there any reason why one would NOT buy the first Gen 160gb drive? I mean, I read the AT preview and it was sort of like comparing a 911 Turbo to a 911 Carerra. Sure the Turbo is faster, but it's just a little bit faster... they both fly. I know there is a difference with the TRIM function(still a bit confused with what that does), but other than that..? I only say this because Newegg has these in stock at the price of the new one, RIGHT NOW.

It's also a lot to do with the price. Most places are still selling the G1's at the old prices and suspect some will take their sweet time to drop the prices since the G2 is not readily available right now.

Your analogy is more like a 911 Carerra for 60K vs a 911 Turbo for 40K. Your question will make more sense in about a month I think when it's more like 36K vs 40K

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: subflava

Originally posted by: allthatisman
Im a bit confused, is there any reason why one would NOT buy the first Gen 160gb drive? I mean, I read the AT preview and it was sort of like comparing a 911 Turbo to a 911 Carerra. Sure the Turbo is faster, but it's just a little bit faster... they both fly. I know there is a difference with the TRIM function(still a bit confused with what that does), but other than that..? I only say this because Newegg has these in stock at the price of the new one, RIGHT NOW.

It's also a lot to do with the price. Most places are still selling the G1's at the old prices and suspect some will take their sweet time to drop the prices since the G2 is not readily available right now.

Your analogy is more like a 911 Carerra for 60K vs a 911 Turbo for 40K. Your question will make more sense in about a month I think when it's more like 36K vs 40K

EXACTLY... if the G1 was at LEAST 10% cheaper than it would make sense. but most places its MORE EXPENSIVE than you can get a G2 for.

 

[allthatisman]

Well the reason I ask is because Newegg is selling the G1 at the G2 price, I am assuming because they need to reduce the inventory, and because of the firmware issue on the G2. So the old drives don't have the ability to use the TRIM function, or is it passive on the new drive and not so on the G1? The other more realistic reason I am considering the newegg deal is because of the price gougery that will likely happen when these come back in stock considering the demand... not back to the previous prices, just not what a few of you paid.

 

[subflava]

Originally posted by: allthatisman
Well the reason I ask is because Newegg is selling the G1 at the G2 price, I am assuming because they need to reduce the inventory, and because of the firmware issue on the G2. So the old drives don't have the ability to use the TRIM function, or is it passive on the new drive and not so on the G1? The other more realistic reason I am considering the newegg deal is because of the price gougery that will likely happen when these come back in stock considering the demand... not back to the previous prices, just not what a few of you paid.

Hard to say. If you absolutely can't wait for the G2 and don't want to take the chance that there will be some price gouging for a while, then the G1 at $229 really isn't a bad deal. However, given that we know the G2's are coming back real soon, I'd say just wait a week or two to see what happens.

In regards to TRIM, it seems Intel will not add it to the G1's. By all accounts I've seen though it's really not a big deal.

 

[allthatisman]

Originally posted by: subflava

Originally posted by: allthatisman
Well the reason I ask is because Newegg is selling the G1 at the G2 price, I am assuming because they need to reduce the inventory, and because of the firmware issue on the G2. So the old drives don't have the ability to use the TRIM function, or is it passive on the new drive and not so on the G1? The other more realistic reason I am considering the newegg deal is because of the price gougery that will likely happen when these come back in stock considering the demand... not back to the previous prices, just not what a few of you paid.

Hard to say. If you absolutely can't wait for the G2 and don't want to take the chance that there will be some price gouging for a while, then the G1 at $229 really isn't a bad deal. However, given that we know the G2's are coming back real soon, I'd say just wait a week or two to see what happens.

In regards to TRIM, it seems Intel will not add it to the G1's. By all accounts I've seen though it's really not a big deal.

I was actually considering the $449 160gb drive... I just read the aforementioned article regarding TRIM... I would be pretty pissed if I was one of the early adopters of thier drive and they don't add this function to the G1's, granted this feature has yet to be tested in the real world, or anyone outside of Intel or the other SSD manufacturers...

I think Intel is doing it right by offering these drives at such reduced costs. I got burned pretty bad by GSkill with my Titan which was advertised as being stutter-free, and clearly was not.

 

[alcoholbob]

Reads are down a little, writes are up a little. Performance wise its more or less negligible but the promise of a firmware update is what has gotten everyone salivating.

 

[jkresh]

fleshconsumed, why worry about having to reinstall after the TRIM firmware is out? I would imagine that even if the firmware wipes the drive there should be no issue with imaging the drive first and restoring from the image (considering windows 7 has native imaging the only cost would be the space for the backup which you should probably have anyway so ...)

 

[fraeone]

Ugh.. Another month? Can I just have one with the old firmware please? Good grief.