New Intel SSD out in Feb

[huelle]

Intel will most likely start selling a new line of SSD drives called SSD 510 Series in February. They will be manufactured though with NAND produced in the 34nm process.
Sequential read is at 450 MB/s and Write at 300 MB/s, IOPs are reported at 20k read and 4k write, which is worse than the current Postville models. The controller is discussed to be an adaptation of the the new Marvel controller which will also be used by the Crucial C400 and the Corsair P3.

It will be interesting to see the power consumption specs of the new model and whether it still makes sense for notebook users to go for the old models (especially if you can only utilize SATA I speeds).

For more information:

http://www.fudzilla.com/memory/item/21656-new-34nm-ssd-have-450/300mb/s-r/w

http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/nand/feature/index.htm

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

At what read/write speeds would SATA 3gbps actually become a bottleneck?

 

[nanaki333]

At what read/write speeds would SATA 3gbps actually become a bottleneck?

the current sandforce drives are already pushing SATA2 damn near to the limits. these intel ones are definitely going to need SATA3

 

[Burner27]

Why would they pair this 'new controller' with the old 34nm fab process?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Why would they pair this 'new controller' with the old 34nm fab process?

Yeah, this doesn't make any sense to me. Intel would be making far better gross margins on their smaller nm flash memory. I would think that they would want to switch their product line as soon as possible. And why would they use an effectively third-party controller, rather than their own first-party controller, which again they would make greater gross margins on.

 

[huelle]

OCZ is playing the clinical phase II test candidate for the 25nm NAND, test just takes a bit longer than expected

 

[Arkainium]

Weren't these new drives supposed to be less expensive than the old ones?

 

[capeconsultant]

This does not seem to be the G3 that Anand "announced" a few weeks/months ago. What the heck is up Intel? I would NEVER buy a 34nm drive. Sorry. Will be glad to wait for something better. There was really NO NEED for this line. Bad move, and they will lose market share because of it.

 

[Edrick]

Intel G3s were supposed to be 25nm.

Intel G3s were going to only be SATA 3Gps.

I suppose that Intel had to re-think their plans in light of the Sandforce SF-2000 monster coming out.

 

[Makaveli]

This seems bogus unless intel is releasing a both a new G3 and a SATA III drive at the same time.

It was reported the G3 will be 250/170 so it will still be fine on SATA II.

 

[Cogman]

the current sandforce drives are already pushing SATA2 damn near to the limits. these intel ones are definitely going to need SATA3

SATA2's maximum transfer rate is 375 MB/s, The highest speeds I've seen on any review have been in the order of 200 MB/s.

Even assuming 75 MB/s are consumed due to overhead, that is still 100 MB/s more room to play with.

 

[razel]

With exception for what's shown on the link to Intel's site, I'd take everything else with skepticism. All those who are correctly informed by Intel are under NDA. The only new information I get is the mention of the 510 SSD which no other details. It could just be a rename or a new name for the upcoming refresh.

As for the Intel using the controller by Marvel, it just doesn't make business sense. Intel isn't in this game to get into data storage or to selling SSD controllers. They're in it to sell the NAND chips which they seem to be doing well in since several SSD controllers use their NAND. I have some of my retirement in Intel stock so I monitor their moves pretty well since my money is on it.

 

[sticks435]

SATA2's maximum transfer rate is 375 MB/s, The highest speeds I've seen on any review have been in the order of 200 MB/s.

Even assuming 75 MB/s are consumed due to overhead, that is still 100 MB/s more room to play with.

Aren't the C300's pushing 315 to 325 reads?

 

[Edrick]

SATA2's maximum transfer rate is 375 MB/s, The highest speeds I've seen on any review have been in the order of 200 MB/s.

Where do you get 375 MB/s?

 

[Burner27]

Aren't the C300's pushing 315 to 325 reads?

On SATA III or SATA 600Mb/s controllers - yes!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Where do you get 375 MB/s?

I assume he is taking 3000 Mbps (or 3 Gbps) and dividing by 8 to get the number of bytes per second. I'm not sure if SATA uses start and stop bits (too lazy to check), but if it does, that means it is 300 MB/s.

 

[huelle]

I think it is a good decision to stay with the 34nm NAND for the time being, I don't see any advantages of the smaller form factors besides economical ones, something we will not see as soon as expected.

 

[sticks435]

According to CrystalDiskMark 3.0, 266.9 is the highest SATA II speed so far.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-470-sandforce-best-ssd,2783-12.html

So if we say the maximum rate is 375 MB/s, and we factor in 75 MB overhead, shouldn't SATA 2 rate be more than 267? Unless there is more than 75MB of overhead.

 

[Cogman]

I assume he is taking 3000 Mbps (or 3 Gbps) and dividing by 8 to get the number of bytes per second. I'm not sure if SATA uses start and stop bits (too lazy to check), but if it does, that means it is 300 MB/s.

Given that it is a newer standard, I doubt it would use start/stop bits for byte sized data (I could, of course, be wrong). 75MB/s for overhead is really quite excessive for such short and essentially shielded transmissions. Yet, not totally unbelievable.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Given that it is a newer standard, I doubt it would use start/stop bits for byte sized data (I could, of course, be wrong). 75MB/s for overhead is really quite excessive for such short and essentially shielded transmissions. Yet, not totally unbelievable.

I'm pretty sure SATA uses 8/10 encoding.

 

[frostedflakes]

SATA2's maximum transfer rate is 375 MB/s, The highest speeds I've seen on any review have been in the order of 200 MB/s.

Even assuming 75 MB/s are consumed due to overhead, that is still 100 MB/s more room to play with.

The 75MB/s is overhead (due to 8b/10b encoding as mentioned by VirtualLarry). SATA 2 max throughput is 300MB/s. And I think I've seen close to that speed in reviews, SF-1200 SSDs can get pretty close to their rated 285/275 read/write in certain bechmarks.

Anyway, whatever Intel releases over the next couple months, hopefully it drives down the prices of the X25-M G2 SSDs. I'd like to pick up a used 80GB X25-M for $100 or less. :whiste:

 

[IntelUser2000]

Intel G3s were supposed to be 25nm.

Intel G3s were going to only be SATA 3Gps.

I suppose that Intel had to re-think their plans in light of the Sandforce SF-2000 monster coming out.

This is the "Enthusiast" drive, while the X25-M's are put as "Mainstream performance". The X25-E is "Data Center".

I know it is confusing, but the 510 will be a real product. I wonder what's going on with G3.

 

[Old Hippie]

Aren't the C300's pushing 315 to 325 reads?

My C300 256GB does 330-335 MB/s thru an LSI 9240-4i SATA 6Gb/s expansion card.

 

[taltamir]

This seems bogus unless intel is releasing a both a new G3 and a SATA III drive at the same time.

It was reported the G3 will be 250/170 so it will still be fine on SATA II.

and how will that stop it from having a SATA III interface?
Having a SATA III interface will look good for uneducated morons and doesn't hurt any (I can't begin to count how many people told me the SATA1 raptor was slower then regular SATA2 drives... because it has a lower SATA)

Fudzilla is just throwing fud again... we already heard that intel delayed their G3s to feb from better sources... so FUD is taking that and adding ridiculous claims to it like "will use 32nm", etc.

 

[Edrick]

This is the "Enthusiast" drive, while the X25-M's are put as "Mainstream performance". The X25-E is "Data Center".

I know it is confusing, but the 510 will be a real product. I wonder what's going on with G3.

So the 510 will replace the current E series? Which means much higher pricing I assume. So that leaves us still waiting for G3 (M series).