Originally posted by: loup garou
Well, Gizmodo got a little more Q&A in with some Apple folks and it looks like the iPhone will be a closed system like the iPod. Which *probably* means no 3rd party apps, but I bet they will offer Apple-designed widgets through iTMS (I'd hope). The author also states no OTA or WiFi syncing, which sucks, but admits that he may have misunderstood and that is only for music/movies.
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
And three weeks ago, Cisco's Linksys division put the trademark to use, releasing an Internet-enabled phone called "iPhone" that uses the increasingly popular Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.
On Tuesday, Apple unveiled the iPhone, its "game-changing" touch- screen-controlled cell phone device that plays music, surfs the Web and delivers voicemail and e-mail.
"Cisco entered into negotiations with Apple in good faith after Apple repeatedly asked permission to use Cisco's iPhone name," said Mark Chandler, Cisco senior vice president and general counsel, in a statement. "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very exciting, but they should not be using our trademark without our permission."
Cisco is seeking injunctive relief to prevent Apple from copying Cisco's iPhone trademark.
"Today's iPhone is not tomorrow's iPhone. The potential for convergence of the home phone, cell phone, work phone and PC is limitless, which is why it is so important for us to protect our brand," Chandler added.
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Cisco Sues Apple Over IPhone
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
And three weeks ago, Cisco's Linksys division put the trademark to use, releasing an Internet-enabled phone called "iPhone" that uses the increasingly popular Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.
On Tuesday, Apple unveiled the iPhone, its "game-changing" touch- screen-controlled cell phone device that plays music, surfs the Web and delivers voicemail and e-mail.
"Cisco entered into negotiations with Apple in good faith after Apple repeatedly asked permission to use Cisco's iPhone name," said Mark Chandler, Cisco senior vice president and general counsel, in a statement. "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very exciting, but they should not be using our trademark without our permission."
Cisco is seeking injunctive relief to prevent Apple from copying Cisco's iPhone trademark.
"Today's iPhone is not tomorrow's iPhone. The potential for convergence of the home phone, cell phone, work phone and PC is limitless, which is why it is so important for us to protect our brand," Chandler added.
:laugh:
Originally posted by: gobucks
does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Cisco Sues Apple Over IPhone
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
And three weeks ago, Cisco's Linksys division put the trademark to use, releasing an Internet-enabled phone called "iPhone" that uses the increasingly popular Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.
On Tuesday, Apple unveiled the iPhone, its "game-changing" touch- screen-controlled cell phone device that plays music, surfs the Web and delivers voicemail and e-mail.
"Cisco entered into negotiations with Apple in good faith after Apple repeatedly asked permission to use Cisco's iPhone name," said Mark Chandler, Cisco senior vice president and general counsel, in a statement. "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very exciting, but they should not be using our trademark without our permission."
Cisco is seeking injunctive relief to prevent Apple from copying Cisco's iPhone trademark.
"Today's iPhone is not tomorrow's iPhone. The potential for convergence of the home phone, cell phone, work phone and PC is limitless, which is why it is so important for us to protect our brand," Chandler added.
:laugh:
lol we didn't see that one coming
Originally posted by: kmrivers
Originally posted by: gobucks
does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?
Ok. Before I go through this I want to remind EVERYONE of this: The iPhone has 6 months to go before it is released. That is key here. I highly doubt every single detail about this phone has been released by Apple at this point. Until the phone is in a reviewers hand I think the bashing and spreading of FUD needs to quit. It is way over the top.
1. I don't know about Apples plan with the battery. They may have a replacement plan. Who knows. It is also unclear at this point whether or not it is user replaceable. In the keynote he said there is a SIM slot in the back. I can't see it back there, so I would imagine the back cover is removable which may point to a replaceable battery. See my first points if you want to claim it doesn't. Nobody knows for sure yet. Someone merely held it and played for a bit.
2. Again here. Nobody knows what Apples plan is here. Office docs are a given in a phone like this. Just because it wasn't demoed doesn't mean it won't be there. Engadgets claims at this point are not proven, but more of a theory. If you noticed, the iPhone around/after the release of Leopard so a dev kit isn't out of the question as the iphones OS seems to have some hints of Leopard functionality. I am glad you at least acknowledge the power of this thing. It has some balls. Watch the demos or they keynote folks.
3. I think the point of this device is to reinvent the phone. Personally I like smartphones I like the power, I like the internet in my hand (which this offers as I get fill webpages and not a WAP version, it is beautifully done). If someone buys this to play songs, you are an idiot. Plain and simple. There are those people now who will spend $300 for a Treo or HTPC and they don't know how to use it. I see it mostly in the African American community as they want the most expensive phone for the cool factor.
A widescreen iPod is coming. No doubt. No one should buy this to be a widescreen video player. Again if they do, they are an idiot IMO.
It is unknown at this point if OS X has its own storage or not. So don't spread FUD.
This phone, which is in competition with Rim and Palm already has heaps more than what those offer in terms of storage. And it is thinner than them all. 16-32GB of flash would be expensive. You know this. To assume that Apple could jam it in there and keep the price the same if foolish. It has 8GB, you show me a phone that comes with 8GB, you don't have to buy cards to use it. And personally I don't want to carry around cards.
And remember this is a phone. Not a portable media player, yes it does those things as well (better than most actual players I am sure) but this is a phone. I doubt I will be watching 100 hours of video a day and thus I just sync up the video I need. I don't listen to 30GBs of music a day. I have that much in my library but I don't listen to all of it. 8GB allows me enough for my frequent listens and new things I want to listen to.
4. 3G is coming. He said it in the keynote. Why its not there, I don't know. Space or size issues maybe. Regardless he said it is coming. So if it is that important to you, all you have to do is wait a bit.
There won't be cingular video on this phone. There will be zero cingular garbage on this phone. That is part of the agreement. They did it a way to let cingular be cingular and let apple be apple (paraphrased). The phone won't even have a cingular logo on it. That is the power of this agreement. This will come up again in number 6.
5. Camera. MP is a bunch of bull. Do you really think a 4MP camera is going to make the pictures from a phone better? It won't. A crappy camera is a crappy camera. An old 3MP DSLR will take better pics than a 7 or 8MP point and shoot. If you don't know why I can't help you. The important thing here is better optics and flash, not more MP. High res crappy pics are still crappy pics.
6. This relates to number 4. Cingular is GSM. The largest GSM carrier in America. GSM is a global standard. Thus Apple went with the largest GSM carrier in America. Another factor is that Cingular seemed pretty willing to do whatever Apple wanted to get this phone. The lack of cingular branding is huge, as well as the network chances (Visual voicemail), they even said more of this is coming in the future. I don't know the details, but I don't any other carrier in the US would allow this. Especially Verizon and their crappy UIs.
58 million is not a small market. And if you noticed (assuming you watched the keynote) he wants 1% of the entire cellphone market, with this in my mind moving the phone to others carriers is most likely in Apples plan.
7. This phone is being subsidized. You better believe it. The iPhone would easily be $800 - $1000 without this subsidaion. A Treo 750 unlocked would cost you $650. Which gets you 60MB of storage, sd slot (max 2GB so thats 4 cards youd have to carry around), 1.3MP camera. NO WiFi, so data plan is a must. There ya go.
The amount of innovation Apple has put into this phone is well worth the price. If you don't want to pay it that is fine. But you cannot deny the amount of work that has gone into making this phone great. From the interface to the OS and design. Can you say that about a Treo? Design has barely changed, no interface enhancements they don't even but their own OS on some of the phones.
Could the iPhone be better? Of course, just like any other device on the planet. Instead of bashing it for what it doesn't have, most of which is a given to come in the future. 3G - stated by Apple, more memory - as prices fall, etc.
I am sickened by everyone ignoring everything about this phone and jumping on what it doesnt have. Not to mention most people not even educating themselves about it and spreading FUD. Ridiculous.
Originally posted by: wicktron
Originally posted by: kmrivers
Originally posted by: gobucks
does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?
Ok. Before I go through this I want to remind EVERYONE of this: The iPhone has 6 months to go before it is released. That is key here. I highly doubt every single detail about this phone has been released by Apple at this point. Until the phone is in a reviewers hand I think the bashing and spreading of FUD needs to quit. It is way over the top.
1. I don't know about Apples plan with the battery. They may have a replacement plan. Who knows. It is also unclear at this point whether or not it is user replaceable. In the keynote he said there is a SIM slot in the back. I can't see it back there, so I would imagine the back cover is removable which may point to a replaceable battery. See my first points if you want to claim it doesn't. Nobody knows for sure yet. Someone merely held it and played for a bit.
2. Again here. Nobody knows what Apples plan is here. Office docs are a given in a phone like this. Just because it wasn't demoed doesn't mean it won't be there. Engadgets claims at this point are not proven, but more of a theory. If you noticed, the iPhone around/after the release of Leopard so a dev kit isn't out of the question as the iphones OS seems to have some hints of Leopard functionality. I am glad you at least acknowledge the power of this thing. It has some balls. Watch the demos or they keynote folks.
3. I think the point of this device is to reinvent the phone. Personally I like smartphones I like the power, I like the internet in my hand (which this offers as I get fill webpages and not a WAP version, it is beautifully done). If someone buys this to play songs, you are an idiot. Plain and simple. There are those people now who will spend $300 for a Treo or HTPC and they don't know how to use it. I see it mostly in the African American community as they want the most expensive phone for the cool factor.
A widescreen iPod is coming. No doubt. No one should buy this to be a widescreen video player. Again if they do, they are an idiot IMO.
It is unknown at this point if OS X has its own storage or not. So don't spread FUD.
This phone, which is in competition with Rim and Palm already has heaps more than what those offer in terms of storage. And it is thinner than them all. 16-32GB of flash would be expensive. You know this. To assume that Apple could jam it in there and keep the price the same if foolish. It has 8GB, you show me a phone that comes with 8GB, you don't have to buy cards to use it. And personally I don't want to carry around cards.
And remember this is a phone. Not a portable media player, yes it does those things as well (better than most actual players I am sure) but this is a phone. I doubt I will be watching 100 hours of video a day and thus I just sync up the video I need. I don't listen to 30GBs of music a day. I have that much in my library but I don't listen to all of it. 8GB allows me enough for my frequent listens and new things I want to listen to.
4. 3G is coming. He said it in the keynote. Why its not there, I don't know. Space or size issues maybe. Regardless he said it is coming. So if it is that important to you, all you have to do is wait a bit.
There won't be cingular video on this phone. There will be zero cingular garbage on this phone. That is part of the agreement. They did it a way to let cingular be cingular and let apple be apple (paraphrased). The phone won't even have a cingular logo on it. That is the power of this agreement. This will come up again in number 6.
5. Camera. MP is a bunch of bull. Do you really think a 4MP camera is going to make the pictures from a phone better? It won't. A crappy camera is a crappy camera. An old 3MP DSLR will take better pics than a 7 or 8MP point and shoot. If you don't know why I can't help you. The important thing here is better optics and flash, not more MP. High res crappy pics are still crappy pics.
6. This relates to number 4. Cingular is GSM. The largest GSM carrier in America. GSM is a global standard. Thus Apple went with the largest GSM carrier in America. Another factor is that Cingular seemed pretty willing to do whatever Apple wanted to get this phone. The lack of cingular branding is huge, as well as the network chances (Visual voicemail), they even said more of this is coming in the future. I don't know the details, but I don't any other carrier in the US would allow this. Especially Verizon and their crappy UIs.
58 million is not a small market. And if you noticed (assuming you watched the keynote) he wants 1% of the entire cellphone market, with this in my mind moving the phone to others carriers is most likely in Apples plan.
7. This phone is being subsidized. You better believe it. The iPhone would easily be $800 - $1000 without this subsidaion. A Treo 750 unlocked would cost you $650. Which gets you 60MB of storage, sd slot (max 2GB so thats 4 cards youd have to carry around), 1.3MP camera. NO WiFi, so data plan is a must. There ya go.
The amount of innovation Apple has put into this phone is well worth the price. If you don't want to pay it that is fine. But you cannot deny the amount of work that has gone into making this phone great. From the interface to the OS and design. Can you say that about a Treo? Design has barely changed, no interface enhancements they don't even but their own OS on some of the phones.
Could the iPhone be better? Of course, just like any other device on the planet. Instead of bashing it for what it doesn't have, most of which is a given to come in the future. 3G - stated by Apple, more memory - as prices fall, etc.
I am sickened by everyone ignoring everything about this phone and jumping on what it doesnt have. Not to mention most people not even educating themselves about it and spreading FUD. Ridiculous.
Cosigned on everything kmrivers said.
People also forget that this is a FIRST GENRATION product. Palm, Moto, HP, RIM have all been in the smartphone business for years and have yet to put out a product this polished.
Give them until 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen and see what happens with the iPhone. By that time, the competitors will still be catching up the the 1st Gen model.
Originally posted by: wicktron
People also forget that this is a FIRST GENRATION product. Palm, Moto, HP, RIM have all been in the smartphone business for years and have yet to put out a product this polished.
Give them until 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen and see what happens with the iPhone. By that time, the competitors will still be catching up the the 1st Gen model.
Originally posted by: kmrivers
^If you watch the keynote you can see Jobs using the phone, live mind you. The only lag I saw was when he was on a call, browsing his pictures to email one, and the compose window took a second to pop up. Thats the only lag I saw. Everything else flew.
Also the little things: the sensors, the interface of course, the highly polished features (a full ipod not a wimpy music player, etc), the high res display (best display I've seen) and of course the design. This is a polished device even if only on paper. The features this phone has are more than any smartphone on the market right now. You are simply an Apple basher/hater to say otherwise.
Zealot alert! All hands to battle stations! LOL, lighten up...no need to be "sickened." It's been a very civil and enlightening thread of people discussing pros and cons.Originally posted by: kmrivers
You are simply an Apple basher/hater to say otherwise.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5860/seriouszs7.jpgOriginally posted by: loup garou
Zealot alert! All hands to battle stations! LOL, lighten up...no need to be "sickened." It's been a very civil and enlightening thread of people discussing pros and cons.Originally posted by: kmrivers
You are simply an Apple basher/hater to say otherwise.
Originally posted by: kmrivers
The features this phone has are more than any smartphone on the market right now. You are simply an Apple basher/hater to say otherwise.
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Cisco Sues Apple Over IPhone
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
And three weeks ago, Cisco's Linksys division put the trademark to use, releasing an Internet-enabled phone called "iPhone" that uses the increasingly popular Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.
On Tuesday, Apple unveiled the iPhone, its "game-changing" touch- screen-controlled cell phone device that plays music, surfs the Web and delivers voicemail and e-mail.
"Cisco entered into negotiations with Apple in good faith after Apple repeatedly asked permission to use Cisco's iPhone name," said Mark Chandler, Cisco senior vice president and general counsel, in a statement. "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very exciting, but they should not be using our trademark without our permission."
Cisco is seeking injunctive relief to prevent Apple from copying Cisco's iPhone trademark.
"Today's iPhone is not tomorrow's iPhone. The potential for convergence of the home phone, cell phone, work phone and PC is limitless, which is why it is so important for us to protect our brand," Chandler added.
:laugh:
Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: kmrivers
^If you watch the keynote you can see Jobs using the phone, live mind you. The only lag I saw was when he was on a call, browsing his pictures to email one, and the compose window took a second to pop up. Thats the only lag I saw. Everything else flew.
Also the little things: the sensors, the interface of course, the highly polished features (a full ipod not a wimpy music player, etc), the high res display (best display I've seen) and of course the design. This is a polished device even if only on paper. The features this phone has are more than any smartphone on the market right now. You are simply an Apple basher/hater to say otherwise.
Again, until you actually use it, I don't think you can say it is polished. He could have used the phone in a way to avoid the unpolished parts.
I think its the little things that people think are so great that draws attention away from the limitations of the iPhone. For me at least, the irreplaceable battery and lack of a keyboard would be a huge drawback.
Regardless, the iPhone does look pretty good, but I'm going to wait until it actually comes out or people actually use to make further comments.
Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: gobucks
does anybody else think apple is missing out on a huge opportunity here? I mean, don't get me wrong - I think the design is beautiful, the interface is great, and it certainly has an awful lot of stuff. Still, it seems like they made some stupid choices, such as
1) No replaceable battery - I've owned several cell phones, and even with the extended batteries, battery life takes a nose dive after a while, and would certainly happen within the 2 year contract period that is required for an iPhone. Unless they have a great replacement plan, this is stupid.
2) It's not really a smartphone - it doesn't have stuff like office support, and it doesn't seem like 3rd party apps will be allowed. Obviously the hardware must be fast enough to handle all this stuff, so it's just a matter of putting the software on it, or at least allowing users to do so (although i bet somebody will crack this limitation)
3) Storage - people who want an iPod purely to store a few hundred songs to bring to the gym will want an iPod nano or shuffle, not this big thing. People who want a full-screen video player (which this phone will appeal to) don't want to be limited to 1 or 2 movies and a couple hundred songs, they want to be able to load it with movies and music, especially considering that the "mini OSX" and other apps will probably take up over 1GB. Why not make it a tiny bit bigger and add a 30-40GB 1.8" hard drive, or simply pack in extra flash memory (16-32GB)? Also, just about every phone has a memory expansion slot, why not this one? At least if you added an SD port, people could load up additional movies/music on extra memory cards.
4) Connectivity - No 3G? I personally would probably only use the wifi since it's free, but i can't imagine other customers trying to use stuff like Cingular video on EDGE. In fact, if they want this device to be truly forward-looking, why not look at adding WiMax?
5) Camera - sure, 2.0MP is nice, but it's not good enough to get most people to leave their digital cameras at home. Samsung and a bunch of other cell makers are outfitting their upcoming phones with 3.2MP (these chips take up the same amount of space as the old 2.0MP ones, btw) or even 4.0MP ones - good enough for the average person to use as their ONLY camera
6) Carrier exclusiveness - why only cingular? why not all GSM carriers (i hear t-mobile is great in Ohio where I'm from). For that matter, why not release a CDMA version for verizon and sprint? They are limiting themselves to a fairly small market in America. I suppose this might bring new customers to Cingular, but if so, that brings up the issue of -
7) No carrier subsidation - apple is refusing to allow cingular to subsidize the price of its phone to customers - cingular buys the phone for $500 or $600, then sells it for the same price. This is a great deal for Cingular, who will probably get more business AND it doesn't have to take the normal ~$400 hit to subsidize the phone cost, but it's a huge missed opportunity for Apple. How much would any company be willing to subsidize just to be able to carry the iPhone? $400-500? What about being the EXCLUSIVE carrier of the hottest product in years? I know Apple wants to keep the iPhone expensive ($500 and up) so that it doesn't cannibalize iPod sales. However, why not let Cingular (or other carriers) pick up some of the tab, and then simply LOAD UP the iPhone with features - 30-40GB storage, 3G and/or WiMax, 3.2MP+ camera (that is useful for something other than taking spur-of-the-moment embarrassing photos of friends), replaceable battery, office/business apps, and maybe even throw in some sweet bluetooth headphones or iTunes downloads. Why not sell it to the carriers for $1000 and then make them pay $500 of it? Apple would make more money and people would feel like they are getting a good deal. If you're not gonna do this, then why not just sell the phone unlocked for retail price and let people set up their own, contract-free plan with Cingular or T-Mobile?
Totally agree with your points, but use paragraphs man.
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: kmrivers
The features this phone has are more than any smartphone on the market right now. You are simply an Apple basher/hater to say otherwise.
No, what you don't seem to get is that there are a huge number of features other manufacturers have been offering for a long time which this phone doesn't have. You're just consumed by the UI, but that won't get you push email, wireless sync, better security, GPS, etc etc.
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: kmrivers
^If you watch the keynote you can see Jobs using the phone, live mind you. The only lag I saw was when he was on a call, browsing his pictures to email one, and the compose window took a second to pop up. Thats the only lag I saw. Everything else flew.
Also the little things: the sensors, the interface of course, the highly polished features (a full ipod not a wimpy music player, etc), the high res display (best display I've seen) and of course the design. This is a polished device even if only on paper. The features this phone has are more than any smartphone on the market right now. You are simply an Apple basher/hater to say otherwise.
Again, until you actually use it, I don't think you can say it is polished. He could have used the phone in a way to avoid the unpolished parts.
I think its the little things that people think are so great that draws attention away from the limitations of the iPhone. For me at least, the irreplaceable battery and lack of a keyboard would be a huge drawback.
Regardless, the iPhone does look pretty good, but I'm going to wait until it actually comes out or people actually use to make further comments.
did you actually watch the keynote? he was using the phone for a long time..
Originally posted by: Phokus
How the hell does this phone NOT have expandable media (SD/Micro SD cards) OR a removable battery!?!?!?!? IS APPLE INSANE?
I bet they'll add that to the next iteration of the iphone and piss off people like me who get the phone early.... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Originally posted by: kmrivers
Originally posted by: Phokus
How the hell does this phone NOT have expandable media (SD/Micro SD cards) OR a removable battery!?!?!?!? IS APPLE INSANE?
I bet they'll add that to the next iteration of the iphone and piss off people like me who get the phone early.... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
How does any other smartphone out there have a measly 60MB of memory for the user? Pair that with a maximum of 2GB on the SD slot for most of them. Nobody wants to carry cards around.
Again this is a phone. I highly doubt people will be watching movies on this for extended periods or to take the place of their home theatre. Come on people lets be realistic. Nobody needs 30GB of storage for a device like this, flash is too expensive and HD would make it more fragile and much bigger. That why there are people buying flash players in the first place. Until a smartphone offers up at least a Gig I think it is silly to be pissed at Apple for giving you 4 and 8 built in. No cards.
Replaceable battery is again, not confirmed. As I said before there is a SIM slot somewhere on the back. That door may lead to the battery. This has not been shown. No solid reports of a non user replaceable battery is available. Reserve the anger until then.