New iPods released: 6 GB iPod mini ($249), 30 GB iPod photo ($349)

[LuDaCriS66]

Does anyone else think its ridiculous that they're not including the ac adapter now? Unless you buy it seperately for $29, the only way you'll be able to charge them is through the USB 2.0 cable while connected to a computer

 

[ohnnyj]

I was hoping for some wireless action a la Bluetooth or Wi-Fi.

 

[gwag]

Originally posted by: LuDaCriS66
Does anyone else think its ridiculous that they're not including the ac adapter now? Unless you buy it seperately for $29, the only way you'll be able to charge them is through the USB 2.0 cable while connected to a computer

no i would rather have the lower price without things I dont need. its not like you cant charge it.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: Zebo
What's so new about this? Space? Ive been seeing this "look" over a year.

Storage space and price. The 60 GB iPod photo was $599 yesterday. Today it's $449. The 4 GB mini was $249 yesterday. Today it's $199.

Also, the mini now has 18 hours battery life.

BTW, they don't come with Firewire cables anymore. Only USB 2. You can get a Firewire cable separately though. It makes sense to do this for cost reasons, but you'd think Apple would be pushing Firewire, since they invented it. I guess not...

That's the third nod to the iPod's popularity amongst windows users. The first was the original 2nd gen Windows iPods. The second was iTunes for Windows. The third is the lack of firewire cable (as many Windows machines, especially OEMs, don't have firewire, while Macs have had it for many years now as standard).

 

[Eug]

The fourth is that I think that all the iPods now ship as FAT32. And even if they don't, I do know they work as FAT32 on Macs. I know the shuffle is only FAT32 actually. Supposedly if you format it as HFS+ it doesn't work as an MP3 player any more.

 

[halfadder]

Macs have no problems reading and writing to FAT32 volumes.

BUT.... Macs can't currently write to NTFS volumes, they can only read from them. It'll be interesting to see how Apple deals with NTFS when the iPod hard drives get bigger and require NTFS instead of FAT32.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: halfadder
Macs have no problems reading and writing to FAT32 volumes.

BUT.... Macs can't currently write to NTFS volumes, they can only read from them. It'll be interesting to see how Apple deals with NTFS when the iPod hard drives get bigger and require NTFS instead of FAT32.

FAT32 for iPods is no problem for music, but for data, it can be an issue.

1) FAT32 on Mac OS X is a lot slower than HFS+ on Mac OS X. But this is irrelevant on iPods, because the drive is so slow to begin with.
2) Certain characters in filenames are not accepted on FAT32, but work fine on HFS+. It's not an issue with music encoded with iTunes (since iTunes names the files appropriately), but is an issue if you're saving Mac data files with special characters. For example, if you copy a directory full of files from a Mac to a FAT32 iPod, and one of the files has a weird character in it, then the copy will simply terminate when it hits the file and give you a cryptic error message. Then you have to search thru the directory to find the file with the errant character. Now imagine if you have 200 files in that directory.

In truth though it doesn't affect me, since I don't use strange characters in my filenames, but some Mac users are used to using them.

Originally posted by: halfadder
Macs have no problems reading and writing to FAT32 volumes.

BUT.... Macs can't currently write to NTFS volumes, they can only read from them. It'll be interesting to see how Apple deals with NTFS when the iPod hard drives get bigger and require NTFS instead of FAT32.

How big? For example, 120 GB FAT32 drives work just fine in Windows XP.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: wakawaka
Looks like Dell still beats Apple price/storage-wise

How do you figure that? The 60GB iPod is $450. The 30GB (max capacity) Dell is $267 AFTER 10% discount (MSRP is $299). Doesn't look like Dell beats the iPod at all.

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Dell and apple suxors

 

[DerKaiser]

How do you figure that? The 60GB iPod is $450. The 30GB (max capacity) Dell is $267 AFTER 10% discount (MSRP is $299). Doesn't look like Dell beats the iPod at all.

Try comparing Apples to Apples (no pun intended). The closest thing to the Dell DJ30 is the iPod Photo 30 Gb for $350. The 20 Gig iPod is $300 while the DJ20 is $224.

 

[imported_bum]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
How do you figure that? The 60GB iPod is $450. The 30GB (max capacity) Dell is $267 AFTER 10% discount (MSRP is $299). Doesn't look like Dell beats the iPod at all.

I don't think it's a fair comparison unless Apple has a 30 gig or Dell has a 60 gig. If you look at their similar products (the Apple 20 gig and the Dell 30 gig), the Dell comes out ahead in the straight price/storage comparison.

DerKaiser beat me to it.

 

[nxh]

whats the difference between the new 30 gig ipod photo and the old 40 gig ipod photo besides storage space?

 

[LASTGUY2GETPS2]

Originally posted by: nxh
whats the difference between the new 30 gig ipod photo and the old 40 gig ipod photo besides storage space?

A bit thinner I guess.

 

[halfadder]

30gig iPod Photo is only $319 in the education version of the online Apple Store. I hope mine ships soon!

 

[akugami]

For the person who said no line out on the Ipods, it's now available BUT only if you buy the Ipod Photo Dock. Wish they'd release a $499 package with the dock & external charger and maybe a firewire cable thrown in. I have been eyeballing one of these Ipods for a while now, my cousin has one and so does my younger and older brothers. I think it may just be time to get one. It's also good for carrying around data, I know my bro has a ton of divx files on his that he watches at work.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: DerKaiser

How do you figure that? The 60GB iPod is $450. The 30GB (max capacity) Dell is $267 AFTER 10% discount (MSRP is $299). Doesn't look like Dell beats the iPod at all.

Try comparing Apples to Apples (no pun intended). The closest thing to the Dell DJ30 is the iPod Photo 30 Gb for $350. The 20 Gig iPod is $300 while the DJ20 is $224.

You're right, the Dell isn't even in the same league as the iPod. The Dell looks ghetto compared to the iPod photo.

And yes, I'm comparing Apples to Apples. The best Dell has to offer vs the best Apple has to offer.

 

[DerKaiser]

The Dell looks ghetto compared to the iPod photo.

The perpetual escape of the Apple zealot when they can't come up with cogent argument. But...but...it's....um... ugly. Yeah, that's it.

You're right, the Dell isn't even in the same league as the iPod.

I actually agree with you here. The Dell DJs are not in the league of overpriced overhyped MP3 players.

 

[halfadder]

I think the Dell DJ is just as good as the iPod, if not a little better. But don't take my word or anyone else's word for it. Go to your mall and try the iPod at the Apple store and the Dell DJ at the Dell kiosk and see for yourself. Or ask around at school and try someone else's iPod and Dell DJ for a demo of each.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: DerKaiser

The Dell looks ghetto compared to the iPod photo.

The perpetual escape of the Apple zealot when they can't come up with cogent argument. But...but...it's....um... ugly. Yeah, that's it.

Umm, maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension then. Did you miss this or just choose to ignore it?

And yes, I'm comparing Apples to Apples. The best Dell has to offer vs the best Apple has to offer.

And when you are talking about price/storage ratio, the iPod 60GB DOES beat the anything Dell has to offer. Is it Apple's problem that Dell can only come up with a 30GB player? I thought we were talking about price/storage ratio here.

 

[halfadder]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
And when you are talking about price/storage ratio, the iPod 60GB DOES beat the anything Dell has to offer. Is it Apple's problem that Dell can only come up with a 30GB player? I thought we were talking about price/storage ratio here.

Bigger isn't always better. How many of us actually has that much music and data to carry around??

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: halfadder

Originally posted by: JackBurton
And when you are talking about price/storage ratio, the iPod 60GB DOES beat the anything Dell has to offer. Is it Apple's problem that Dell can only come up with a 30GB player? I thought we were talking about price/storage ratio here.

Bigger isn't always better. How many of us actually has that much music and data to carry around??

WTH? I thought we were talking price/storage ratio here. Now it's, "but people don't need that much storage.?" Guess what, I do. I have 40GB+ of MP3 (yes, all ripped from CDs I PAID for), so the 60GB iPod is what I need. I have room to grow, plus I just need to sync it with my main PC only when I get new music. ALL the music I have will be on my iPod. Just the way I like it.

You also get a color screen with the iPod so when my MP3s play, it will display the CD cover in full color. The Dell is just a cheap iPod wantabe. If you want to beat Apple at the portable MP3 game, you better come out with a better player. This includes, performance, size, functionality AND looks. There are cheaper players out, but nothing better.

 

[DerKaiser]

And yes, I'm comparing Apples to Apples. The best Dell has to offer vs the best Apple has to offer

This is so illogical, it doesn't deserve serious comment.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: DerKaiser

And yes, I'm comparing Apples to Apples. The best Dell has to offer vs the best Apple has to offer

This is so illogical, it doesn't deserve serious comment.

I understand, you're not smart enough to comprehend what I'm saying. It's ok.

 

[Pariah]

Is it Apple's problem that Dell can only come up with a 30GB player? I thought we were talking about price/storage ratio here.

Since when did Apple start making the hard drives in their IPods? Replacing the existing hard drive that someone else made for them with a same form factor larger capacity hard drive that again someone else made for them isn't some engineering marvel by Apple. Any company can buy the same drives and put them in their players if they want.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Is it Apple's problem that Dell can only come up with a 30GB player? I thought we were talking about price/storage ratio here.

Since when did Apple start making the hard drives in their IPods? Replacing the existing hard drive that someone else made for them with a same form factor larger capacity hard drive that again someone else made for them isn't some engineering marvel by Apple. Any company can buy the same drives and put them in their players if they want.

Man, that sounds easy to do. Now why again is it that Dell only has a 30GB player?