New Ipods revealed

[blackdogdeek]

so with the ipod touch, if i have a web server on one of my machines in my house with a bunch of movies on it, could i stream them via safari? same with audio content?

also, to play a movie locally on the touch to which format must i re-encode?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
so with the ipod touch, if i have a web server on one of my machines in my house with a bunch of movies on it, could i stream them via safari? same with audio content?

also, to play a movie locally on the touch to which format must i re-encode?

I was always interested as to why nothing of the sort was made for the iphone...I do that with my itunes library and my phone al the time...

they Have to make something for this..please

 

[blackdogdeek]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
so with the ipod touch, if i have a web server on one of my machines in my house with a bunch of movies on it, could i stream them via safari? same with audio content?

also, to play a movie locally on the touch to which format must i re-encode?

I was always interested as to why nothing of the sort was made for the iphone...I do that with my itunes library and my phone al the time...

they Have to make something for this..please

i'm not sure i understand what you mean by "make something for this".

the iphone and the touch both already come with safari. all you'd need then is a web server with your content.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: jiggahertz
Get everyone to make a big enough stink about it and policies may SLOWLY change.

heh, you haven't worked anywhere that actually gave a damn about security have you

 

[ZeroEffect]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: ZeroEffect
How long until the iPod Touch gets a bump in it's storage capacity? (2 months?)

16GB is only 6GB more storage than the 1st generation iPod offered... pathetic!

When i saw the iPhone i decided that my first iPod would be the Touch version
as soon as it was released... bit i can't spend $400 dollars for 16GB.

its flash memory genius

i know it's Flash - GENIUS - are you saying they couldn't have made one using
a hard drive? A "media" iPod like this screams for more storage capability.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: dugweb

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: videogames101
*Simple? does not compute! 10110100 self-destruct!*

i think how you described that is an over-exaggeration, most teens in high school could find a use for some of those features you spefified as not simple or important to the average joe. I guess i may just be judging from myself and my own current freshman friends, but then again I'm posting on anadtech and my friends play WoW all day, so i guess that doesn't really count. :brokenheart:

Anyways, sooner or later the general population will begin to become more tech-savy, and we'll see what happens. oh, and...

+It's bad ass! I get turned heads walking down the hallways with that thing! *cheers* :beer:

Have you ever worked retail.. or specifically, tech retail? Or done desktop support or the equivalent? I don't have any faith in the general public getting tech savy in the near future. Maybe 15, 20 years. Maybe. People want things to just work. And they don't want to do any work (or do the least possible) to use it. Now there's a lot of personal bias for ya

I have not, hence comment of myself being in my high school frshman year, but i hope to work at best buy or something, maybe compusa, so i'll soon find out =)

videogames101, you need to wait until you are older to understand just how lazy and impatient with technology you will become. Tech savvy or not, people want their product to just work.

You underestimate the value of a well designed interface, simple functionality and aesthetics. Also, your argument that people only buy iPods because others have them and they're "ill-informed" is, to put a word on it, juvenile.

No, the reason Apple holds something like 70% of the MP3 player market share is because they made an incredibly well designed intuitive player.


I remember the days when I cared about which company was better, and arguing stats like they mattered. I think I was about your age too, Videogames101. Thankfully, you're just going through a phase, and will grow out of it soon after high school (so long as graduating highschool includes you moving out of your parents basement)

Well, I'll have to disagree with you there, design, simplicity, and aesthetics mean pretty much nothing to anyone who wants a real pmp not a, to put a word on it, junky mp3 player. And i'll have to remain at odds with your opinion that apples product is superior to other companies, because i've used both and thats my opinion. And I really can't see how you can say stats don't matter, if i'm spending money, it should be on the best bang for the buck item. How do people find that? Stats! And just wanting a product to work? I'm having a hard time believing that anything other then an iPod doesn't work. I'll be happy to continue this debate, as long as it's not simply going to be an age bashing frenzy.

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Well, I'll have to disagree with you there, design, simplicity, and aesthetics mean pretty much nothing to anyone who wants a real pmp not a, to put a word on it, junky mp3 player.

That is the reason I gave you a hard time (purely for fun) about your age. Trust me, you will care about those things. But if these three things never do become a concern for you, you are a part of the tiniest minority and you will probably end up as a hardware engineer of sorts

And i'll have to remain at odds with your opinion that apples product is superior to other companies, because i've used both and thats my opinion.

I never gave my opinion on Apples product being the best or even better than. I just simply acknowledged the phenomenon that Apple's player out sells every other MP3 player combined by a ratio of 3 to 1.

And I really can't see how you can say stats don't matter, if i'm spending money, it should be on the best bang for the buck item. How do people find that? Stats!

I guess i'll have to back track a tad, stats do of course matter. But they are far from the determining factor. If you want another example besides the iPod, the Wii.

And just wanting a product to work? I'm having a hard time believing that anything other then an iPod doesn't work. I'll be happy to continue this debate, as long as it's not simply going to be an age bashing frenzy.

This comes back to overall design, that you dismissed as being unimportant in your first sentence. Of course other mp3 players function, they just don't do it as well

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: dartworth
iPod/Apple haters make me laugh:beer:


h

I know!

Its hilarious...

meh

lol, see, thats the POINT! their stock is going up! why? they selling a crappy product to an ill-informed market! thats why i hate them, i never said they weren't doing well.

crappy? they are giving people what they want apparently and people aren't disappointed.. Sure they usually "define" what the market "wants," but people eat it up...so blame the people.

The ipod is not crap btw. it may be outclassed via NUMEROUS additional features by the competition, and I think that's what helps its market appeal to the scared-of-technology crowd. it provides them a taste of a tax-bracket-ravishing IPO with just some lame government bond

It gives people a lot upfront.....and people pay for that convenience....

it's like the dollar menu or something I guess..

There it is! See, i don't blame the people, i blame the avalibilty of information about those other features! If people knew this, then they could make an informed decision, and even if they bought the ipod, i'd still be happy with it. But people don't get inf on the competition, and theirn lies the problem.

this is about the inherent repercussions of establishing and maintaining a fruitful capitalist society.

Apparently ,as you seem to be gravitating towards people, this has nothing to do with mp3 players

I think you just hate people.

If you want to discuss the economics of this, using my pathetic level of knowledge on the subject, what LEGITIMATE BARRIERS would you say competitors face in entering the mp3 market beside a little competition. (ignorance on the product is assumed if there is no advertising)

Where are the cowon ads?

I don't hate people =) But, the fact is there is not just a little competition, there is ALOT. First, it would take a huge amount of advertising, (which, btw, i agree other companies have failed miserably in) but the main competition is how far the ipod has worked itself into the culture of todays america. Half the people i know think an iPod is not the same as an mp3 player. It's the kind of thinking the has engulfed those not as technically knowledgable as some of us, that makes it almost impossible for a competitor to edge in.

If a truly superior product came out than I think the masses would adopt it

if you really believe that the Cowon A2 is superior in virtually every way than an ipod touch I've got news for you it isn't

the iPod touch loses simply because it's a, in most respects, a DRM only player. why, in your opinion, is the touch superior?

objective

size alone

Cowan A2
+ plays all formats (touch requires reencoding)
+ 4" TFT vs 3.5"
+ Records voice
+ 30 GB vs. 8 GB

- uses HDD which is a lot less reliable than flash (advantage is its capacity)
- 3x as large (volume)
- 2x as heavy (weight)
- no Wifi ipod is much easier to sync (ie cableless)
- no web browser

= picture capability
= price is a wash when comparing 8 GB ipod touch

subjective

- interface is not half as easy/functional as apples touch screen
- apples device looks much better ie the design

the last two are purely subjective but they are reasons that contribute to why i believe the ipod touch is superior

size to the features is the most important thing to me and the A2 being 3x as large and twice as heavy would probably prevent me from even considering it

First, as i own the cowon, it's not nearly as heavy or thick as it may seems from it's statistics. Second, your forgetting that the A2 has..

+USB hosting to other devices
+Line in recording (Both audio and video!)
+Built in speakers (Of course, they ahve the same quality as every built in speaker set, but what can you do eh?)
+Amount of storage advantage allows playback of many full feature movies, and the A2's battery allows 9 hours of video in my experience.
+The screen is amazing when watching videos!
+Audio enhancements, including a 5-band equalizer with presets, and features like MPenchance(basically just another increase bass and treble thing), BBE, bass boost, 3Dsurround, etc
+Text Viewing
+Video and audio line out! yes, put the A2 interface on your tv!
+Timed video recording, think of it as a DVR sorta thing
+If your in Japan and other countries you can watch TV over the airwaves
+Radio tuner built in (although i've had crappy reception)
+Records radio
+VERY frequent firmware updates
+DivX! (guess thats in format secton...)
+Leather carrying case that i personally love
+Higher wattage output then the iPod for powering portable speakers, etc (don't have exact stats)


All i can think of atm, but i think i got my point across. and it's really not all to hard to use

ALSO, the A3 is coming soon, which will add even more features

EDIT: built in mic, or was that already mentioned?

EDIT: and, tenatively, the A3 can read PDFs!

all those features imo are pretty worthless besides outputting to a tv and speakers which is nice but not a big deal especially if you are comprising it for size than i'd rather have size

ipods are still too large TBH the ideal size for me would be credit card size and a few mm thick and i think i am in the majority when it comes to this

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: dugweb
videogames101, you need to wait until you are older to understand just how lazy and impatient with technology you will become. Tech savvy or not, people want their product to just work.

You know, if you had told me that when I was 16-20years old I would have laughed. But now? It's exactly right.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: dugweb

That is the reason I gave you a hard time (purely for fun) about your age. Trust me, you will care about those things. But if these three things never do become a concern for you, you are a part of the tiniest minority and you will probably end up as a hardware engineer of sorts

That may well be!

I never gave my opinion on Apples product being the best or even better than. I just simply acknowledged the phenomenon that Apple's player out sells every other MP3 player combined by a ratio of 3 to 1.

Yes they do, and it may be that most people enjoy the design of the iPod, and may not want everything say the Cowon has to offer. Now, i have no experience in dealing with the genral public's knowledge of all things tech, but i will express my opinion that sometime, maybe not soon, but people will eventually want these extra features. It may be the that some already do too, but as we all know, devices like the cowon aren't advertised as well as they could be.

I guess i'll have to back track a tad, stats do of course matter. But they are far from the determining factor. If you want another example besides the iPod, the Wii.

Ah, this is a funny one! See, I own a Wii, and have no desire for a 360 or PS3. Now i can see the point your making here, but i'll enlighten everyone my thought proccess on pickiing the Wii. First, I use consoles almost entirely for playing games with 2 or more friends, and hardly ever enjoy singleplayer games. (With the exception of the truely great titles like zelda of course) Now, when i want to see insane graphics, I go to my computer! I mean, thats it. I see no need to buy a console that provides a kind of entertainment (HD) that i can trump on the PC i already own! not only that, the PC does more! Which is why i like the wii for it's fun multiplayer interface, because thats what i use consoles for.

In how this relates to the iPod discussion, it coms back to what people are buying it for. Most people who go out and buy iPods want to listen to music, in fact thats all they think they want. But i don't think they think about watching a video on that iPod? (I know the iPod has video, but honestly, the current gen sucks at it) They may not think they want it, but it think they eventually will, and iPods don't cut it atm, while the A2's huge screen does.

I think I contradicted myself there, but w/e, i get a cookie for all that typing...

This comes back to overall design, that you dismissed as being unimportant in your first sentence. Of course other mp3 players function, they just don't do it as well

This is very subjective take for example too players (not naming names...), a player functoning well at a few things, but not functioning at all on others, or a player that does everything, but maybe doesn't have the best interface.

Thats the question at the moment, and even then the interface is really all about preference, but even if i liked the iPod interface, i'd still prefer the player that may eb harder to use, but does more things.

I think people will eventually want this too, (again, my opinion) but I'll admit, people buy the iPod because it's so easy a caveman can do it. I think a little tinkering is worth the 4.5in or w/e screen on my cowon.

Again, it's all preference of course, but i think people preference would change if pmp's like the A2 were marketed a little better.


I hate typing btw, so ignore the spellign erros, but i'm enjoying this debate very much, so i'll do my best for more posts back and forth :thumbsup:

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: videogames101
I think I contradicted myself there, but w/e, i get a cookie for all that typing...

yeah, you're right, your argument can be thrown back at you because not everyone has a PC that can do uber graphics People who buy iPods have no desire to do the extra stuff, just like you have no desire for the ps3 or xbox.

I could turn around and say you think all you want is multiplayer gaming, but maybe the whole xbox live arcade, or even the HD video store is what you're missing out on, you should get that because it has cool features.


Anyway, here's a question for you, are you a foobar2000 user

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
I still don't know how the touch thing is going to work. Do we have to keep staring at the screen just to adjust volume and such?

I'm getting one, I would imagine this will take some getting use to, but I touch type without looking. It might be different because yes my keyboard has tatical feedback but I know where the keys are at before I even touch them. I figure the Touch will have a learning curve for me, or even better since it's an iPod I'm sure we can expect a wireless remote control to be released for it on the launch day, or soon after. I would prefer a remote over buttons personally *shrug* I'm buying a Touch for the cool UI, but really 99% of the time I won't even be looking at it, just listening to music. I'm not an Apple Fan Boy, wow they have good marketing hehe.

 

[michaels]

well I see why Jobs gave a 100 credit, some new Ipod owners will need it
http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...-gen-video-accessorie/
damn

 

[0roo0roo]

people use video out?
most people just use the 3.5mm jack for music