New Jeep Renegade yay/nay?

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PricklyPete

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Yeah, I got a Highlander when I traded in the Jeep. Pretty nice, though there's some fit & finish issues w/ Toyota sometimes as well. At least it's built right under the hood though.


Agreed. I've had 2 toyotas since 2000 (Tacoma and now 4 Runner) and neither have the fit and finish of my 1992 Camry or my ex-girlfriend's 1997 4Runner relative to what was available on the market at the time. Our 2010 A4 has a much better fit/finish than our 2013 4Runner. That being said, I have no worries regarding the reliability of my 4Runner.

What year Highlander did you get? What fit/finish items were you unhappy about? In the next few years we might get a second car and the highlander is high on our list. I was pretty impressed with the interior at the last car show I was at (relative to our 4 Runner and the previous gen of the highlander).
 
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Awesome, thanks for the positive review! I got a Latitude too, what color did you go with?

Yeah, on the second test-drive, I got used to the pedal pretty quickly. Once you figure out how the 9-speed shifts & where it holds the acceleration, you can modulate your foot appropriately - it's just weird to get used to, I had to adjust to my wife's CVT for the first week too. I think it would be awesome with a standard 5-speed transmission, but I guess the 9-speed is how you get the nice gas mileage with the AWD model.

I almost went with the Renegade Trailhawk model because I like the smaller front lip & the Anvil Blue color that only comes on the Trailhawk, but it was an extra few hundred pounds & they didn't have any in stock at the dealership, and I wasn't particularly hung up on it. I ended up with a green one (ugly car, ugly color, had to get the combo! haha) - they cut me what I feel was a pretty good deal & it had even more stuff than I wanted in it. Ultimately, 4x4 with 29MPG sounded pretty dang good to me!

Awesome! We went with the red. Not a bad color, but if it were solely my decision we would have went for one of those Jeep only camo'ish colors (commando green or sand)
 

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I've owned a Chrysler/Jeep vehicle for maybe over 20 years or so. Let's see a Jeep Wrangler, Chrysler Sebring, 300M, 300S, and now a 2015 Jeep Cherokee. The interior is just as nice as my 300S. The longest one I kept was the Chrysler 300M for 12 years. The biggest issue was probably a bad heater core in the 300M, but it was covered under warranty.

I guess I've been lucky. If the Renegade would have been available last year, who knows, I may have chosen it over the Cherokee. It looks like it would be a fun car to drive around. The transmission on the Cherokee isn't as bad as everyone makes it sound. Maybe all the years I've driven a Chrysler has "conditioned" the way I drive. Anyways, I'm loving my Jeep and so far, so good.

They had a Cherokee for $2k more, but I liked the Renegade better. Just the right level of goofy design for me
 

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Awesome! We went with the red. Not a bad color, but if it were solely my decision we would have went for one of those Jeep only camo'ish colors (commando green or sand)

Yeah, I got the Commando, which is a nice fit...like a retro throwback to old WWII Jeeps, same with the Sand, definitely fits the car. The first one I took out was black, which looked great, but I didn't want a black car. I think Anvil on the Trailhawk was my favorite, but availability vs. getting a decent deal on the green one pushed me to get one now. Driving home was 47F & that heated steering wheel definitely came in handy
 

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...heated steering wheel definitely came in handy

Best feature I can't live without...oh remote start as well. Renewed my Uconnect this year for the cellphone for this reason alone makes it worth it. Anchorage, AK, 12 degrees Fahrenheit this morning, 19 degrees right now....starting the car from my desk
 

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Yeah, I got the Commando, which is a nice fit...like a retro throwback to old WWII Jeeps, same with the Sand, definitely fits the car. The first one I took out was black, which looked great, but I didn't want a black car. I think Anvil on the Trailhawk was my favorite, but availability vs. getting a decent deal on the green one pushed me to get one now. Driving home was 47F & that heated steering wheel definitely came in handy

Pics?
 

Kaido

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Best feature I can't live without...oh remote start as well. Renewed my Uconnect this year for the cellphone for this reason alone makes it worth it. Anchorage, AK, 12 degrees Fahrenheit this morning, 19 degrees right now....starting the car from my desk

Yeah, I'm trying to decide which route to go. According to their website, UConnect wants $150 per year for the cellular service: (scroll down)

http://www.driveuconnect.com/features/uconnect_access/packages/

But I can get a Viper SmartStart with GPS locator (same basic features) installed down at Best Buy & pay $200 for 3 years of service for remote start, lock/unlock, and locate:

https://www.viper.com/smartstart/serviceplans.aspx

Plus I need to get some other stuff installed (DVR, ScanGauge, etc.) so I'll probably go the Viper route. Only real complaint I have with the cold-weather package, you can't set the remote start to trigger the heated steering wheel & seats so that it's all toasty when you get in...apparently that feature is only available in the Cherokee & GC lineup
 

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It's stopped raining, so I'll see if I can get out after work & snap some pics. Surprisingly the green isn't as ugly in-person, nor is the car...it's just not very photogenic imo. At least, coming from the perspective of seeing Wranglers etc. & then seeing a Soul-esqe design applied to the sheetmetal
 

Necrolezbeast

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Yeah, I'm trying to decide which route to go. According to their website, UConnect wants $150 per year for the cellular service: (scroll down)

http://www.driveuconnect.com/features/uconnect_access/packages/

But I can get a Viper SmartStart with GPS locator (same basic features) installed down at Best Buy & pay $200 for 3 years of service for remote start, lock/unlock, and locate:

https://www.viper.com/smartstart/serviceplans.aspx

Plus I need to get some other stuff installed (DVR, ScanGauge, etc.) so I'll probably go the Viper route. Only real complaint I have with the cold-weather package, you can't set the remote start to trigger the heated steering wheel & seats so that it's all toasty when you get in...apparently that feature is only available in the Cherokee & GC lineup


My heated seats and staffing wheel come on when I use my remote start... It only send to work when the jeep decides it's cold enough though.
 

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I'm looking at a Renegade or a Patriot next year. I want an affordable but capable SUV, and there's not too many of those on the market. I really like the Cherokee but they tend to want major $$$ for them.
 

Fenixgoon

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I'm looking at a Renegade or a Patriot next year. I want an affordable but capable SUV, and there's not too many of those on the market. I really like the Cherokee but they tend to want major $$$ for them.

what's resale value like? able to pick up a used one on a decent deal?
 

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I'm looking at a Renegade or a Patriot next year. I want an affordable but capable SUV, and there's not too many of those on the market. I really like the Cherokee but they tend to want major $$$ for them.

You won't look at a Patriot for very long...
 

Kaido

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My heated seats and staffing wheel come on when I use my remote start... It only send to work when the jeep decides it's cold enough though.

Found that out tonight! It had a little snowflake symbol on the dash; I thought it had remembered my settings, nice!!

Also like the cornering lights...was out off-roading late into the evening & that was a cool feature, really helpful on the tighter windy trails. Any idea how deep the non-Trailhawks can go in water? I know the Trailhawk can do 19", not sure if it's the same on the other models. Got to a part of the trail that had turned into literally a small pond; didn't have any mud boots to check depth & didn't want to risk it on my first weekend, haha.
 

Bacstar

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My heated seats and staffing wheel come on when I use my remote start... It only send to work when the jeep decides it's cold enough though.

Yeah, defrost too. I think the temperature needs to be in the low 30's before it kicks on automatically with remote start. I think I read it in the manual somewhere on my Chrysler 300s.

Any idea what the "Back" button does on the middle control cluster? I haven't been able to figure it out.
 

Kaido

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I'm looking at a Renegade or a Patriot next year. I want an affordable but capable SUV, and there's not too many of those on the market. I really like the Cherokee but they tend to want major $$$ for them.

I'm really happy with my Renegade so far. It's like a TARDIS...tiny on the outside, huge on the inside. Easy to park, lots of fun features, feels great to drive. Surprisingly, extremely capable off-road.

Also FWIW, Cherokees are about the same price (minus packages), they just start a little higher than the Renegade base (with manual transmission). My Renegade Latitude with tons of features was $25.5k; a Cherokee Latitude (a step up from the base Sport model) 4x4 via Truecar is $24.4k (in my area), and if you drop it down to 4x2 Sport, is $22k. I checked out the Cherokee & it was very nice, but I opted for the Renegade because (1) it was smaller, and (2) it was quirky, which fit my tastes better. Basically more of a fat Wrangler than an actual SUV.
 

Leyawiin

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and i just threw up a little.

You must throw up a little at kittens, flowers and cute girls then.

I saw a Renegade the other day. It actually looks pretty good in person. Some old fellow driving it. I can see how it would appeal to that demographic - perfect height to slide in and out, good visibility, compact size.
 
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heymrdj

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what's resale value like? able to pick up a used one on a decent deal?

I haven't seen too many, as their redesign is so new, very few of them have come off of leases early. I also always fear first year designs. We had a Dodge Dart (2013) up until last summer where we traded it in on a 2014 Buick Verano. The Dart was in 8 times for various warranty and recall things in the 1.5 years we had it.

You won't look at a Patriot for very long...

Haven't seen much issue with the modern patriots with the 2.4/6spd. They seem to be proven platforms. You get a whole lot of features for the money.

Found that out tonight! It had a little snowflake symbol on the dash; I thought it had remembered my settings, nice!!

Also like the cornering lights...was out off-roading late into the evening & that was a cool feature, really helpful on the tighter windy trails. Any idea how deep the non-Trailhawks can go in water? I know the Trailhawk can do 19", not sure if it's the same on the other models. Got to a part of the trail that had turned into literally a small pond; didn't have any mud boots to check depth & didn't want to risk it on my first weekend, haha.

If there was one thing that was sweet about our Dodge Dart Limited, it was that the electronics had everything right. The GPS was Garmin, no car manufacturer should use anything but garmin. The Uconnect system was pretty darn near flawless. And the remote start system took care of the defrosters, heated seats, and it had a heated steering wheel, which it was like the only car in its class to have. I'd rather have a heated steering wheel than butt warmers just so that I don't have to wear gloves when it's -20 outside.

I'm not sure if the Renegade is the same way, but on the Patriot and Cherokee, the trail rated badge that comes on the Trailhawk models not only lifts the body an inch, but adds skid plates, a slightly taller tire, and most importantly, extra seals for water fording capability. I would say that realistically, you would be able to ford about the same amount. It's those non-descript seals I don't know about.
 

heymrdj

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I'm really happy with my Renegade so far. It's like a TARDIS...tiny on the outside, huge on the inside. Easy to park, lots of fun features, feels great to drive. Surprisingly, extremely capable off-road.

Also FWIW, Cherokees are about the same price (minus packages), they just start a little higher than the Renegade base (with manual transmission). My Renegade Latitude with tons of features was $25.5k; a Cherokee Latitude (a step up from the base Sport model) 4x4 via Truecar is $24.4k (in my area), and if you drop it down to 4x2 Sport, is $22k. I checked out the Cherokee & it was very nice, but I opted for the Renegade because (1) it was smaller, and (2) it was quirky, which fit my tastes better. Basically more of a fat Wrangler than an actual SUV.

I love the Cherokee, I was close to pulling the trigger on a Latitude 4x4. But I bought snow tires for my car, and they'll be just about out of snow tread with this winter, so I decided to keep my car to get my investment out of them.

Used to, I was dead set on getting 1500/150 pickup to replace my Expedition. When the Expedition was totaled, I wasn't in place to get another truck, too many $$$. And up here in the north, what my insurance payout was would only get me a rust bucket compared to the pristine SUV I had bought down south. So I got the Fiesta, which I love. I run 90-95% city, and I managed 32mpg in the summer, and 29mpg in the winter, hand calculated. The consumables (brakes/tires/oil) are cheap as well, which helps because that much city just destroys those items. At the same time, I run alot of miles, about 14-17K per year, again almost all city, because of my job. So the MPG and the consumables are important to me. I was amazed at how much cheaper my life is with the fiesta, vs the 13.5" disc brakes, 1250$ for 4 tires, and average 13MPG the truck was getting. So the wife convinced me to look at SUV's again, because of practicality. I need AWD or 4WD to handle the snow, or at least better ground clearance. Last year I averaged 3 sticks a week. That is where I had to be pushed out of deep snow. The fiesta high centers on *everything*, and in my job, I routinely go out before the plows. The worse the weather emergency, the earlier I'm out on the roads most often. And we go until the county forbids us from going (and even then some of us are picked up by escorts to go in). My Expedition was 4x2 and never had issues. I had Michelin X-Ice 2 all around, and 120 lbs in the back. It never got stuck, even in snow to the hubcaps. It was slow going, but it always would get traction and keep rolling. Not the fiesta, it so much has snow touch the aerodynamic lower lip, and it's halted.

Buick Encore - Loved the Buick feel, but it was wayyyy too cramped!

GMC Terrain - Loved the style, loved the way it handled. But it's 4cyl is anemic, and it's 6 cyl a gas guzzler. One word for it is "dated". It's a great platform but way overdue for better newer engines, and newer dash. 4th place.

GMC Acadia - Sweet! But too pricey

Chevrolet Equinox - Really liked this SUV but it's sooooo soccer dad.

Jeep Patriot - Loved the truckiness of this one. The 2.4L/6spd was pretty smooth, enough power for me. Easy to modify for more offroad trail stuff. Everything about it was functional and practical. 2nd place.

Jeep Compass - Like a smoothed over Patriot, my wife liked it more. I preferred the Patriot.

Jeep Renegade - Sadly haven't had a chance to try one, but I sat in a sold one. The fit and finish was amazing, just like the larger Cherokee. Love the funky look both inside and out.

Jeep Cherokee - I give this third place mainly because of it's cost for features. Though it seems since I test drove it, what you get for the $$$ has went a good ways up. Fit and finish is great, powertrain was smooth. The 4WD in deep snow was as capable as the Subaru Outback I took out that same day. Love the LED's on the front, and actually is probably my favorite of all the SUVs in this list in terms of looks.

Subaru Crosstrek - My number one choice. Felt very powerful and planted. The downfall is rough MPG numbers, and as always with Subaru, alot of $$$ for very little fit and finish. Dealers up north here don't even have to try to sell them, so I would be stuck with the most basic CVT model with no options.

You must throw up a little at kittens, flowers and cute girls then.

I saw a Renegade the other day. It actually looks pretty good in person. Some old fellow driving it. I can see how it would appeal to that demographic - perfect height to slide in and out, good visibility, compact size.

I agree, love the Renegade's looks, inside and out.
 

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Agreed. I've had 2 toyotas since 2000 (Tacoma and now 4 Runner) and neither have the fit and finish of my 1992 Camry or my ex-girlfriend's 1997 4Runner relative to what was available on the market at the time. Our 2010 A4 has a much better fit/finish than our 2013 4Runner. That being said, I have no worries regarding the reliability of my 4Runner.

What year Highlander did you get? What fit/finish items were you unhappy about? In the next few years we might get a second car and the highlander is high on our list. I was pretty impressed with the interior at the last car show I was at (relative to our 4 Runner and the previous gen of the highlander).

I have a 2015, and I only have a couple issues. One is that you can hear the HVAC system solenoids as they operate (sounds like a whirring sound, similar to hard drive spinning, coming from the center of the dash under the head unit). It's the plastic gears from the solenoids from what I read, and they didn't insulate the area so you can hear it. People online have tips on where to put sound proofing foam to get rid of it, but it's stupid that this wasn't done already.

The other is remote start/key fob related. The Grand Cherokee had a dedicated remote start button on the fob, and the range was great. I could remote start from my office window so it would be warming up during my walk down. The Highlander remote start wasn't installed by default, they installed it after the fact, though it's an official Toyota installation. But they use the same fob, so there's no dedicated button. What you have to do is press the lock button twice, and then press and hold for 5 seconds or so and it'll start. But the timing between those presses is kind of picky, you can't go too fast or it won't work. However, it doesn't even matter because the range of the fob is so terrible it wasn't even worth getting remote start installed. I tested it and it seems to be 30' range at best.
 

Kaido

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I saw a Renegade the other day. It actually looks pretty good in person. Some old fellow driving it. I can see how it would appeal to that demographic - perfect height to slide in and out, good visibility, compact size.

That's the thing - it looks a lot better in-person than it does in pictures, especially in the right color. Personally Anvil blue, Commando green, and Sand tan are my favorites. The 17" rims that I have or the Trailhawk's rims really help round out the look imo.



Funny you mention an old guy driving it...when I picked up my first Soul, the salesman said their biggest market was baby boomers...they liked having a compact car that had storage, sat upright, and was easy to get in & out of, on a budget. They thought high school & college kids would be the main target but it was the complete opposite! The first Renegade I've ever seen in person was the one I saw at the rental car place the other day, I had forgotten they were even out (aside from the commercial with the good song, but I never paid attention to the car in the ad haha).
 

Kaido

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If there was one thing that was sweet about our Dodge Dart Limited, it was that the electronics had everything right. The GPS was Garmin, no car manufacturer should use anything but garmin. The Uconnect system was pretty darn near flawless. And the remote start system took care of the defrosters, heated seats, and it had a heated steering wheel, which it was like the only car in its class to have. I'd rather have a heated steering wheel than butt warmers just so that I don't have to wear gloves when it's -20 outside.

Yeah, the Garmin is really good. It's nice not having to use my smaller 5S with Google Maps to navigate haha. Uconnect is probably the best in-car system I've used. Didn't really care for Sync or any of the other ones I've played with before.

It's funny because I thought the heated steering wheel was gimmicky (but cool), but it's turned out to be a legit feature & a favorite of everyone I've taken out in it, especially the older folk. It's been under 50F here lately & that's always the first reaction I get..."oooh wow, the heat is so nice on your hands"...people would rather have the heated wheel than seats! The only thing I wish with the seats is that it did the upper & lower back in addition to the bottom...I rarely bother with a thick jacket because I'm only ever outside for 30 seconds when I run from the car to the house, the car to work, the car to the store, etc., so having a full back heater would be the bomb!
 

Kaido

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I'm not sure if the Renegade is the same way, but on the Patriot and Cherokee, the trail rated badge that comes on the Trailhawk models not only lifts the body an inch, but adds skid plates, a slightly taller tire, and most importantly, extra seals for water fording capability. I would say that realistically, you would be able to ford about the same amount. It's those non-descript seals I don't know about.

To be honest, I had completely forgotten how much fun off-roading is, and I kind of regret not waiting for the Trailhawk now. My Latitude came with no tow hooks, no spare tire, etc., so I'll have to add all of that aftermarket. I'm not going to do anything too crazy until the warranty runs out, as it is my daily driver, but at my current driving rate, that 36k should be eaten up in well under 2 years. There's already a lift kit out & some tire options, so there's a bit of fun to be had with it down the road!
 

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Used to, I was dead set on getting 1500/150 pickup to replace my Expedition. When the Expedition was totaled, I wasn't in place to get another truck, too many $$$. And up here in the north, what my insurance payout was would only get me a rust bucket compared to the pristine SUV I had bought down south. So I got the Fiesta, which I love. I run 90-95% city, and I managed 32mpg in the summer, and 29mpg in the winter, hand calculated. The consumables (brakes/tires/oil) are cheap as well, which helps because that much city just destroys those items. At the same time, I run alot of miles, about 14-17K per year, again almost all city, because of my job. So the MPG and the consumables are important to me. I was amazed at how much cheaper my life is with the fiesta, vs the 13.5" disc brakes, 1250$ for 4 tires, and average 13MPG the truck was getting. So the wife convinced me to look at SUV's again, because of practicality. I need AWD or 4WD to handle the snow, or at least better ground clearance. Last year I averaged 3 sticks a week. That is where I had to be pushed out of deep snow. The fiesta high centers on *everything*, and in my job, I routinely go out before the plows. The worse the weather emergency, the earlier I'm out on the roads most often. And we go until the county forbids us from going (and even then some of us are picked up by escorts to go in). My Expedition was 4x2 and never had issues. I had Michelin X-Ice 2 all around, and 120 lbs in the back. It never got stuck, even in snow to the hubcaps. It was slow going, but it always would get traction and keep rolling. Not the fiesta, it so much has snow touch the aerodynamic lower lip, and it's halted.

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GMC Terrain - Loved the style, loved the way it handled. But it's 4cyl is anemic, and it's 6 cyl a gas guzzler. One word for it is "dated". It's a great platform but way overdue for better newer engines, and newer dash. 4th place.

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Jeep Renegade - Sadly haven't had a chance to try one, but I sat in a sold one. The fit and finish was amazing, just like the larger Cherokee. Love the funky look both inside and out.

Yeah, the main thing was I wanted something I wouldn't have to fuss with during the winter, but also wouldn't be annoying to drive the rest of the year...so it needed a decent ride & decent MPG. Really it boiled down to the Renegade & the Ecoboost Mustang. The Mustang has an adaptive cruise control option, which I really liked, but maybe I'll snag one down the road if I can ever afford a summer car & then keep the Jeep for inclement weather & camping. I was a little concerned about towing too because it's only rated for one ton, but there are plenty of nice basic little popup family campers that are well under 2,000 pounds like this one: (plus plenty of far cheaper DIY designs available onlineO



I meant to check out the GMC Terrain, but the second test-drive on the Renegade sold me. The Terrain seemed like it gave you the most amount of space for the price, but like you said, seemed a bit dated. The Renegade was quirky...but without being cheap. I like the solid feeling of the car. And yeah, I hear you on the job stuff...being in IT means I have to go in no matter what the weather, unless the state closes the highways. And sometimes it's easier just to pack a sleeping bag & go overnight at work
 

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The other is remote start/key fob related. The Grand Cherokee had a dedicated remote start button on the fob, and the range was great. I could remote start from my office window so it would be warming up during my walk down. The Highlander remote start wasn't installed by default, they installed it after the fact, though it's an official Toyota installation. But they use the same fob, so there's no dedicated button. What you have to do is press the lock button twice, and then press and hold for 5 seconds or so and it'll start. But the timing between those presses is kind of picky, you can't go too fast or it won't work. However, it doesn't even matter because the range of the fob is so terrible it wasn't even worth getting remote start installed. I tested it and it seems to be 30' range at best.

Yeah, the Renegade has a dedicated button that you hit twice quickly to activate. Seems to have an acceptable range...I started it from my dining room to where I usually park. I'd like to add cell phone start capability (to get GPS locate as well), but Uconnect wants like $150 a year & Viper "only" wants $67 a year, but I'd lose the integrated backup key in the Jeep fob if I went with the Viper keyfob.
 
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