New Jeep Renegade yay/nay?

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michal1980

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I don't race. My experience is ~1m miles of every driving condition from high speed highway, to *creating* trails through woods. There's plenty of people with better singular experience than I have, but there's few that have a more rounded experience.


Doesn't mean your not willing to give out bad advice.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/01/disabling-abs-drive-snow-extremely-bad-idea/

there is almost zero benefit to shifting to stop vs using your breaks. ABS will work better for most people, panic stop or not.
 

lxskllr

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michal1980

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Strawman much? I never said to disable abs. I said driving properly is better than relying on technology. [/b]If you feel abs engage, you've failed as a driver.[/b]

no no you haven't.

This all stems from your stupid advice that you should downshift and use engine breaking vs brakes.

The best thing to do is to use your brakes. ABS is a tool that helps you keep your car in control, and pretty much means you were breaking just past the limit.
 

usyed1

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I love the looks but the 3 yr/36,000 mi basic warranty is pathetic :/.

Shows to me that the company doesn't stand behind there product.
 

WackyDan

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Jan 26, 2004
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I love the looks but the 3 yr/36,000 mi basic warranty is pathetic :/.

Shows to me that the company doesn't stand behind there product.

Really? Most car manufacturers are 3/36 and some form of limited lifetime or 5/60 on powertrain.

Seems to be that the Jeep has the same warranty as 80%+ of the other makers AND they have a limited lifetime on powertrain.
 

NutBucket

Lifer
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Agreed. Seems to be a fairly standard warranty. Problem is quality, perceived or otherwise, is not comparable.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
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So a quick review a few months in:

1. I generally love the car, aside from (1) some fiddly issues, and (2) the snow-stopping performance. It took two visits to fix the brake squealing issue, but it's (mostly) resolved now. It only squeaks now on cold days for the first couple brake presses. Now that it's warmer again, I haven't had any issues with that.

2. Averaging 23mpg mixed city/highway. I drive about 300 highway miles per week, so it's majority highway. I was hoping for better MPG (21/29 advertised), but it's about on-par with my wife's AWD Forester.

3. Two biggest issues I'll complain about are the shift lag & snow-stopping performance. They flashed the transmission last time I was in, which dropped the lag from 3 seconds to 2 seconds, but 2 seconds is still a long time when a semi-truck is merging into you & you need to goose it, and it has to drop from 8th gear to 4th gear to get moving. Feels like a Prius in that regard.

As far as the snow-stopping performance, I'm still not sure what's up with that. It's either the tires or the ABS system. I thought about buying snow tires, but I don't think we are going to get anymore snow this year, so I'll save that purchase for next year. Basically, it pretends that it's on ice-skates when you brake in the snow. Not on ice or wet pavement...just snow. So either the tires get clogged up with snow & turn into slicks, or the ABS system is crap. I don't know. The only way to find out is to invest in some snow tires & find out. It is an extremely bad issue; I slide through a red light at an intersection & nearly t-boned somebody because the car simply wouldn't stop. I adjusted my driving habits & now start stopping at quadruple the normal distance instead of just double. My wife's Forester doesn't have this issue (both are AWD); it is specific to the Renegade.

4. Lots of niggly little first-world problems, mostly related to electronic lag. These annoy me to the point where I am debating trading it in when it depreciates to KBB value. Off the top of my head:

a. Pushbutton Start sometimes takes 2 to 3 presses to turn on.
b. UConnect touchscreen system takes forever to boot. Sometimes it takes twice as long as normal, no idea why.
c. Backup camera doesn't always engage, or sometimes takes 10 seconds before it clicks over.
d. Bluetooth takes FOREVER to initialize, sometimes as long as 2 minutes. If I'm walking out to the car on a phone call, I have to put it on speaker after I start up the car until it auto-connects. In my wife's Forester, this is nearly instant.
e. BLIS sometimes makes false beeps. Like a couple times a week. Even if I'm in the middle lane on the highway by myself with no other cars around. It's haunted...
f. Ever since the transmission flash update, it has a big jerk going from 2nd to 3rd if I'm not gunning it. Big power drop on that shift that bobs your head forward. My work around is just to goose it a little bit until it gets up to speed, but if you're in slow-moving traffic or a residential area where you don't want to be zipping around, it's annoying.
g. Tiptronic is crap. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 clicks to recognize a manual shift. Sometimes I have to hold the shifter in place (+ or -) to get it to recognize. Sometimes even after it recognizes it, it doesn't actually shift for 2 to 3 seconds, instead of instantly. Then it will peg at redline, which is annoying when I'm on a short merge onto the highway & can't give up the speed because I need to get into a small slot in fast-moving traffic. Also, the + & - are reversed from every single other car I've driven, which is annoying haha.
h. I assume UConnect updated recently, because now I can't do more than 6 skips on Spotify before it stops responding. I can do it manually on the phone itself no problem, and sometimes it restarts the skip button on the steering wheel & receiver, but not always. It's more designed for Android than iPhone (I have an iPhone, so not as many features available on the car's system). Sometimes it won't display the song playing. I've given up on streaming through Bluetooth, which is only recognized like one out of five or ten times, even though voice calls connect just fine via Bluetooth, so as soon as I get in the car, I plug it into my USB cable for streaming audio, because that works pretty much 100% of the time.
i. Intermittently, it gets stuck at 1 MPH under cruise control. Even on flat highways, it will be 64 instead of 65 MPH.
j. The remote start via smartphone is completely useless. I think it's just because Sprint is crap in my area (or crap in general). I've only had it remote start twice out of like twenty times (it sends me an email of successful or unsuccessful completion; the track record is crap).

I had a coworker who got a new Dodge Dart & it was the same...everything had a lag to it. And sometimes it's all intermittent, and sometimes it's just a few things, and sometimes it's all at once. Like the other day, I got off work, went out to my car, and:

1. The pushbutton took 3 presses before it started up.
2. The backup camera didn't turn on for 10 seconds after shifting into reverse. I was inbetween two large SUV's & couldn't see out behind me, so I waited until it turned on for added safety.
3. My phone didn't connect for a voice call until I was nearly on the highway, a couple minutes later.
4. Had to merge into heavy traffic, lag on recognizing my manual shifting, lag when it actually decided to shift.
5. BLIS beeped for no reason later down the road.

Sure, it's the definition of first-world problems, but when crap like that happens, one thing after another, it makes me really frustrated with the vehicle because it just kind of builds up your aggravation levels. I've been into the dealer service center two or three times and the techs just kind of throw their hands up in the air, and I've reached out to Jeep Care, who hasn't responded to any of my messages. Not that I'm surprised...and I knew what I was getting into, both buying a Dodge product & buying a first-generation product, but it's kind of amazing that I had a far better experience with both of my Kia Souls than I have with the Renegade.

That's not to say the car isn't without its merits. Aside from the issues of stopping in the snow, the snow driving performance is the best ever. I didn't get stuck once on the hill to my house, which typically happens at least two or three times a year & I have to hike up. Highest I drove in was 7" of fresh snow & I didn't even have to shovel out...just backed out over it & went on my merry way. Got into work every single day without a hitch. No issues on steep driveways or taking angled parking lot entrances at reasonable speeds (I'd always have to angle my Civic in slowly). It's ugly enough (hehe) to find easily in a parking lot, and surprisingly gets a lot of compliments, especially from other Jeep owners. I've talked to more off-road guys in the past few months than I have in my whole life. People generally like it, which is surprising because I personally don't think it's a very attractive car, and love the X taillights. People say something about the "cool taillights" a couple times a week still, which is funny because it's not a feature I even really noticed before that.

I was hoping to keep this car for a decade; due to the variety of small annoyances, I will probably be trading it in sooner rather than later, unless they issue fixes for all of the little things that kind of drive me bonkers. Really, it's my own fault for buying a first-gen Dodge product, which I knew going in, so shame on me for making a dumb decision If I were to replace it, I'd probably look at the upcoming Forester redesign, as well as the Kia Niro & redesigned Sportage (240hp AWD, ooh!). I don't ever want to not have AWD in the snow again, it just makes life too easy to give that feature up, plus the rain handling is excellent on all of the curvy roads here.

The biggest difference is when I swap cars with my wife. The Forester is so much more enjoyable to drive...it's zippy, easy to turn, and everything responds properly. I get back in my car, and while it feels more, ah, manly, everything just feels slow. Not that it's a terrible car, but again, the small annoying stuff adds up, so there's that to consider. Although, the Renegade does fit me better (most cars, including the Forester, jut into my knee on the left side). Also, the idle is kind of rough, which is surprising for a new car.

TL;DR: Well...it's a Jeep. Plows through everything, but has a lot of minor issues. Not a big deal if you can live with the annoyances, but coming from my last couple of hassle-free cars ('11 Soul, '13 Civic), it does push some frustration buttons. On the fence about keeping it long-term.
 

NutBucket

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Man, I would not be happy at all with those issues. Have you complained to corporate? I would be trying to menon law that sucker. But really it sounds like uConnect is crap. 10 second delay for the backup cam is completely unacceptable.
 

tortillasoup

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The weird part about the car is that despite the 9 speed transmission in the 2.4L car, its gas mileage is worse and acceleration is worse than the 6spd manual transmission in the turbo 1.4l. 27mpg for the MT vs 24mpg for the AT. Talk about a severe penalty.
 

Kaido

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Man, I would not be happy at all with those issues. Have you complained to corporate? I would be trying to menon law that sucker. But really it sounds like uConnect is crap. 10 second delay for the backup cam is completely unacceptable.

Yes, have not heard back. The local techs aren't helpful because all they can do is apply known fixes. To make matters worse, the issues are intermittent. Sometimes the backup camera flips on right away, sometimes there's a lag, sometimes it never engages unless I cycle through the gears again. I've demonstrated a handful of them to the techs, but they just kind of shrug because they don't know how to fix it.

It's mostly minor stuff like that, but it gets aggravating at times, especially when it's one thing after the other. I knew what I was getting into with a first-gen Dodge product, so I can't complain too much, but I was really hoping to get a machine that would last me a decade. Maybe they'll fix the issues over time with TSB's & flashes & stuff, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's a pity that my Kia Souls were more reliable than a Jeep
 
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Kaido

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The weird part about the car is that despite the 9 speed transmission in the 2.4L car, its gas mileage is worse and acceleration is worse than the 6spd manual transmission in the turbo 1.4l. 27mpg for the MT vs 24mpg for the AT. Talk about a severe penalty.

Out of all of the cars I've driven, I've found the Jeep 9-speed to be the worst transmission of them all. Wish I had gone with a stick! The engine has plenty of pickup in tiptronic mode, but the auto tranny just doesn't take advantage of it. Plus it does funny things when shifting...between 2nd & 3rd it has a power drop that lurches you forward unless you're gunning it, it hovers between shifts a lot (you'll get that kind of grindy feeling unless you toe forward the accelerator pedal to push it into the next gear sometimes), it has that couple-second lag when you're on the highway & need to goose it, etc. I don't know how it would perform with a bigger engine, maybe better, but I don't foresee myself ever buying a car with a 9-speed Jeep transmission ever again. I'm curious if it's just Jeep, too...the 2017 Ford Raptor has a 10-speed in it, and I don't imagine they'd put a crap transmission in that kind of vehicle...
 

tortillasoup

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Out of all of the cars I've driven, I've found the Jeep 9-speed to be the worst transmission of them all. Wish I had gone with a stick! The engine has plenty of pickup in tiptronic mode, but the auto tranny just doesn't take advantage of it. Plus it does funny things when shifting...between 2nd & 3rd it has a power drop that lurches you forward unless you're gunning it, it hovers between shifts a lot (you'll get that kind of grindy feeling unless you toe forward the accelerator pedal to push it into the next gear sometimes), it has that couple-second lag when you're on the highway & need to goose it, etc. I don't know how it would perform with a bigger engine, maybe better, but I don't foresee myself ever buying a car with a 9-speed Jeep transmission ever again. I'm curious if it's just Jeep, too...the 2017 Ford Raptor has a 10-speed in it, and I don't imagine they'd put a crap transmission in that kind of vehicle...

Ford and Jeep are having transmission problems with their double clutch systems.

List of vehicles with the transmission:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_9HP_transmission#Applications



oh and this:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/holy-s...ases-third-software-update-for-jeep-cherokee/
 

jlee

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Yes, have not heard back. The local techs aren't helpful because all they can do is apply known fixes. To make matters worse, the issues are intermittent. Sometimes the backup camera flips on right away, sometimes there's a lag, sometimes it never engages unless I cycle through the gears again. I've demonstrated a handful of them to the techs, but they just kind of shrug because they don't know how to fix it.

It's mostly minor stuff like that, but it gets aggravating at times, especially when it's one thing after the other. I knew what I was getting into with a first-gen Dodge product, so I can't complain too much, but I was really hoping to get a machine that would last me a decade. Maybe they'll fix the issues over time with TSB's & flashes & stuff, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's a pity that my Kia Souls were more reliable than a Jeep

You could probably get a lemon-law buyback on it if you were so inclined, unless they do manage to fix everything relatively promptly.
 

gorcorps

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Man, I would not be happy at all with those issues. Have you complained to corporate? I would be trying to menon law that sucker. But really it sounds like uConnect is crap. 10 second delay for the backup cam is completely unacceptable.
Good luck

I had more problems with my GC and corporate couldn't give less of a fuck about them, and mentioning a lemon law claim didn't help move things along. You'll need a lawyer if you go that route.

Friends don't let friends buy Jeep
 

Kaido

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You could probably get a lemon-law buyback on it if you were so inclined, unless they do manage to fix everything relatively promptly.

Since most of the stuff is dumb fiddly little issues, I doubt they'd consider it returnable. If it does bluescreen on me again, however, then I'm 110% done, there's no excuse for that. But again, I knew what I was getting into & that there was a risk - first-gen Dodge product, can't expect too much

tbh, I'll probably trade it in for another Forester at some point
 

PricklyPete

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Holy crap that sounds like a horrible new car experience. Only cements my opinion of Jeep products which I lament, because I really want to like them.
 

fleshconsumed

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ROFL I'm in agreement with the posters above. You say you love the car, and then roll out two pages of complaints. WTF? All I can do is quietly chuckle to myself...
 

Kaido

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ROFL I'm in agreement with the posters above. You say you love the car, and then roll out two pages of complaints. WTF? All I can do is quietly chuckle to myself...

At first glance, my review looks like it's at odds, but I'm pretty up-front & detailed about the quirks in all of my machines - just because there's a laundry-list of stuff doesn't mean it's a horrible vehicle. So two things to keep in mind:

1. No car is 100% perfect; everything has its quirks. Some more than others. In this particular vehicle, it mostly boils down to a general lag of the electronics. Annoying, but not a show-stopper.

2. Most of the stuff is exactly that - minor, annoying issues. It's not like the wheels are falling off or the engine is catching on fire. Like, every other time it takes a few extra seconds for the backup camera to turn on, or I have to press the Start button again to get it to recognize the push. It's not perfect & I'm not going to sugarcoat the issues, but just because there's a list of glitches doesn't mean it's complete crap. Think about cars like the Corvette...they rattle, they scrape the ground on inclined entrances & exits, they're a hassle to get into, but owners generally love them because they're awesome.

So don't confuse a list of negatives with the car being a complete piece of crap, because it's not. It's roomy, it has a fun design, it's great off-road, it's (generally) awesome in the snow, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be honest about the little stuff it does wrong, you know? So it's not so black & white. One of the reasons I post this stuff is because I appreciate when other people do the same when I'm researching cars...it's good to know what you're getting into. This is a first-year car from a company with known quality issues, and yet if you talk to Jeep owners in general, they love their cars, despite the issues.

Personally, the annoyances do get aggravating, both to the point where I am going to take it back into the shop & would also consider trading it in down the road. I wanted something that I could drive into the ground over the next ten years or so, and I don't have any faith that Jeep will fix these issues because they haven't already. Maybe I just got a lemon, I dunno. It's just kind of sad that both of my Kia Souls had fewer issues than my (significantly more expensive) Jeep Renegade does. If it were quirk-free, I'd love the car a lot more because then I wouldn't feel like it's letting me down in terms of usability & reliability.
 
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