New Jersey says no to self-service gas stations

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-16-nj-gas_x.htm

The story has so many ridiculous quotes that I don't even know where to start. :roll:

By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY
WOODBRIDGE, N.J. ? It's a rainy morning at the Thomas A. Edison Service Area on the New Jersey Turnpike. Lines of idling cars and trucks stretch through a Sunoco station. But for Ardis De Los Santos, there's at least one thing to smile about ? she doesn't have to pump her own gas. She used to live in New York, where she had no choice. But a move across the Hudson River to Englewood, N.J., freed her from the hassle. She likes it that way. "It's not my cup of tea," she says of filling her tank. "It's the smell."

In New Jersey, motorists who need to fill 'er up haven't pumped their own gas in 57 years. But in the face of soaring gas prices, Gov. Jon Corzine came up with a novel plan last month to try to ease the pain: allow self-service at some stations along the New Jersey Turnpike and see if prices dip. He believed prices could drop 5 to 7 cents a gallon. Corzine retreated after about 1,400 e-mails and calls poured in from a mostly outraged public. Concern about other state issues paled in comparison. A proposal to raise the sales tax by one cent, for example, received about 200 responses from the public, says Brendan Gilfillan, a spokesman for the governor. So Corzine isn't going to push it. "He still thinks it's a worthy idea," Gilfillan says. "But with our budget, property taxes and ethics, there are just a number of things that are a bigger priority."

By now, full-serve is as ingrained in New Jersey's culture as the subway is in neighboring New York ? though it seldom includes the oil checks and windshield washing of yesteryear. Oregon is the only other state to bar self-service stations, and there are no plans for change. "The governor has concluded that there's no evidence that throwing thousands of people out of work would have any effect on gasoline prices," says Lonn Hoklin, spokesman for Gov. Ted Kulongoski. "Oregonians just seem to like the way it is now."

As do many lawmakers, station owners and motorists in New Jersey. Critics of a shift to self-service say pumping their own gas would be especially hard on the elderly, could create a safety hazard as inexperienced motorists try to fill their tanks and cost many station attendants their jobs while doing nothing to lower prices. Assemblyman Francis Bodine, a Republican, says that after stopping at self-service stations in the South recently, he found that gas in New Jersey was the same price or slightly cheaper. "So I don't see any economic savings to having to pump your own gas," he says. "The flip side of it is ... there'd be some job losses." Besides, he says, "If I'm in a tux going to a black tie (event), I don't want to stop and handle a gas pump."

Bill Dressler, executive director of the New Jersey Gasoline Retailers Association and Allied Trades, says there are safety concerns. While attendants are trained, many motorists would be novices. "It could be put in the wrong container," says Dressler, whose group represents about 2,200 of the state's 3,800 gas stations. There could be "somebody getting out and smoking and they didn't turn the engine off." Dressler says that prices also would not drop. "The dealers are not making that much money," he says. "What would happen is the self-service price would reflect what's full-service today, and full-service would escalate 10 to 15 cents a gallon."

Not so, says Jim Benton, executive director of the New Jersey Petroleum Council, which represents the state's major energy suppliers. "New Jersey has the third-lowest motor fuel tax in the nation," he says. "People don't realize that while New Jersey gasoline is typically cheap, it's not because of a full-service requirement, but because of our low motor-fuel tax. There's no reason to suggest that prices would not be in fact even cheaper" at self-service pumps.

One morning this week, the price for regular at the Sunoco Station at the Thomas A. Edison Service Area, was $2.87 a gallon. Even so, Amanda Darian, 18, didn't think it would be worth pumping her own gas, even if it saved her 5 cents a gallon.

"A nickel? Nah," says Darian, a student at Monmouth University in West Long Branch.

Even though she's going to have to work more this summer to pay her gas tab, she says, "I just don't want to get out" of the car. She has been to other states, and when it came time to fill up, "I didn't even know how."

Louis Rivera, 29, an attendant who has worked at the Sunoco station for three years, says self-service could put "a lot of people ... out of jobs."

Others don't get all the fuss. "Even some men don't want to get that smell on their clothes," says Angela Fields, buying gas at a Delta station in Bloomfield, N.J. "But if it's going to save you a quarter, yeah, I'll pump my own gas."

Posted 5/16/2006 11:39 PM ET
 

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Bill Dressler, executive director of the New Jersey Gasoline Retailers Association and Allied Trades, says there are safety concerns. While attendants are trained, many motorists would be novices. "It could be put in the wrong container," says Dressler, whose group represents about 2,200 of the state's 3,800 gas stations. There could be "somebody getting out and smoking and they didn't turn the engine off."

:laugh:

Could you imagine if people were allowed to pump their own gas? How would they know what to do? What a crazy, untested idea.
 

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Bill Dressler, executive director of the New Jersey Gasoline Retailers Association and Allied Trades, says there are safety concerns. While attendants are trained, many motorists would be novices. "It could be put in the wrong container," says Dressler, whose group represents about 2,200 of the state's 3,800 gas stations. There could be "somebody getting out and smoking and they didn't turn the engine off."

:laugh:

Could you imagine if people were allowed to pump their own gas? How would they know what to do? What a crazy, untested idea.

Haha. That got me laughing as well.
 

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-16-nj-gas_x.htm


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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH seriously, if we just turned jersey into a testing ground for nukes and tropical diseases like hanta and hemoraggic fever would ANYONE care??? The state smells, it's the home of 'jersey trash', AND they're worried about pumping their own gas?
 

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i've seen people from NJ get outta their cars and stare at the pumps for like 5 min...... i could imagine elderly people just stranded at home because they are too afraid to stop at the gas station and figure it out
 

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Only Jersey could so confidently say that their own residents would not be able to learn how to pump gas.
 

GeekDrew

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Unfortunately, for those people that have never pumped gas, it may truly be as "hard" for them as the article indicates. My adopted mom had never pumped gas until a couple of years ago, when I showed her how.
 

Viper GTS

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I grew up in Oregon, & moved ~2 years ago to PA.

I have no idea what would make people think that pumping their own gas is a privilege.

I would MUCH rather let someone else pump my gas. I like my warm (or cool), dry car thank you very much.

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iamwiz82

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I can imagine the fear in the eyes of a New Jersey resident when they have to drive out of state.
 

DivideBYZero

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Yeah. Pumping Gas is a pretty tough task. Better not burden the motorist with that insignificant aspect of car ownership.
 

Mermaidman

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I believe it would lower the cost of operating a gas station. You can't deny that labor is usually a huge part of business expense. As for not knowing how to pump gas, anyone who is licensed to drive a vehicle should have the ability to learn how in 30 seconds. (Or take the Gas Station Attendant Training Seminar.

Just admit that it has devolved into a jobs program
 

Ramma2

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Why are we taking action to reduce the cost of gas 2-5 cents a gallon. It's gone up over a fvcking dollar recently. OH YES 2 CENTS A GALLON WHOOOO.
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: KarmaPolice

expecially PA alchohol ones...

Don't get me started on that.

In Oregon you can buy alcohol in grocery stores, & even hard liquor in a few test stores (they were just starting that when I left, no idea how it turned out).

Freaking PA makes you go to three different stores if you want beer, vodka, and a loaf of bread.

:roll:

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Yes, lots of silly quotes. Hmm, (a) people lose their jobs and (b) prices won't be affected. Those two parts don't jive in a competitive market. If people are fired, costs are reduced. In a competitive market, a company with reduced costs can reduce prices and take marketshare away from competitors thereby increasing profits.

If you want your full service, just go to a full service pump. There is no reason that having a few self service pumps prevents you from paying that extra amount and getting to stay in your warm car.
 

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Wow, Just wow. Anyone that doesnt know how to use a gas pump should be shot. There are NO excuses for that.
 

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I live in California and could concur with the safety thing. Many times as I pull into a gas station, I see a bunch of idiots either still on their cell phone or SMOKING WHILE PUMPING GAS. Now if each gas pump had it's own supply and was sealed off from everyone else, I could care less that they blow their asses up. But man, pumping gas next to them pisses and freaks me out. Other than that I think NJ's gas thing is full of doo doo.
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
I believe it would lower the cost of operating a gas station. You can't deny that labor is usually a huge part of business expense. As for not knowing how to pump gas, anyone who is licensed to drive a vehicle should have the ability to learn how in 30 seconds. (Or take the Gas Station Attendant Training Seminar.

Just admit that it has devolved into a jobs program

The stupid thing about this is that people should care more about this when gas prices are LOW (when the worker salary represents a larger percentage of the total). When gas prices are high it becomes a (relative) bargain.

I've never pumped gas for a living but I would imagine that a pump attendant pumps several hundred gallons per hour. When they're making minimum wage or thereabouts ($7.05 or something like that in Oregon) that's just a few cents per gallon.

It's definitely a jobs program, but until you've lived it don't knock it - Pumping your own gas is a nuisance.

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Thraxen

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LOL... I didn't even know NJ was like that. You can't even find full service stations around here.
 

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I grew up in NJ and was used to full service. First time I got gas out of state, yeah, it was definately a "Hmm..." moment for me.

Of course, it's not something that a person with 2 brain cells can't figure out.
 

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Originally posted by: Ramma2
Why are we taking action to reduce the cost of gas 2-5 cents a gallon. It's gone up over a fvcking dollar recently. OH YES 2 CENTS A GALLON WHOOOO.
What he said. While I don't think going self-service is as big a danger/inconvenience as people seem to make it out to be (and yes, there are some really stupid things said in that article), the effect it's going to have on gas prices is less than minimal. Self-service is not the answer to the high gasoline prices.
 

ColdFusion718

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Ummm how hard is it to pump gas man? They frickin' have directions at the pump. The first time I pumped my own gas was when I was 15 (with my learner's permit). I looked at the diagrams and figured it out on my own. It's not rocket science. Good lord! LOL
 
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