New keyboard

Makaveli

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Feb 8, 2002
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Hi all,

I'm looking to finally replace my Gen 1 G15 keyboard.

Budget $100-$200

I'm not a huge gamer these days though I still game so don't really care for anything to flashy.

I know the mechanical keyboards are the rage these days.

So what would you guys/girls suggest ?
 

DigDog

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that's quite the budget.

the recommendations would be: a ducky with topre switches, or a unicomp M clone, or a cherry tkl, depending on the needs. topre for typing, model m for the feel, tkl for gaming.

you can really pick any cherry board and they pretty much feel the same. build quality is excellent for all so it's not really an issue, it's like picking between perfect and perfecterer.
 

nerp

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For actually using a keyboard to write or do programming, not gaming, you want an original IBM Model M, buy from http://clickykeyboards.com/ or you want a Topre Realforce ($250ish) or a Topre Type Heaven if you're in the $100 to $200 budget range. I personally am not a fan of Cherry switches and prefer buckling spring and Topre's hybrid switches. I have gradually shifted from using buckling spring all day to Topre for the quiet and comfort, mainly. They say once you go topre, you never go back.

Both Model M types (original, unicomp new) and Topre are probably not the most ideal for gaming. You can register a keypress without bottoming out and when trying to precisely control in a game you can have undesired movements registered. In those cases, a less resistant key travel and a definite 'click' from the switch being on or off is ideal.

And the board is not just about the switches. You want something with weight so it doesn't slide around and different manufacturers use different grades of plastic. The cheapo quality of some boards despite their $100+ price tags merely for putting common cherry switches on a PCB is shocking sometimes. While you do get what you pay for with keyboards, you can easily get ripped off.

The absolute top end boards you see people paying more than $250 for generally are Japanese built and/or designed, though the trusty Unicomps are made right here in the United States and they're very nice people over there.

My recommendation is to start collecting keyboards. Buy one, then buy another. Then keep buying them until your wife asks you what in the heck you are doing, crazy person.

Lurk in the geekhack forums, as well. It's the top keyboard enthusiast forum out there and the information about everything posted there is very comprehensive.
 

DigDog

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Maka, ur being very vague on your wants and needs. If we knew what you want / expect from your keyboard, maybe we could help you more.
 

Makaveli

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Maka, ur being very vague on your wants and needs. If we knew what you want / expect from your keyboard, maybe we could help you more.

No Problem!

I'm being vague cause i'm not 100% sure what I want yet.

and trying to get you guys to point me in the right direction.

Maybe I should just keep posting the links of what i'm looking at then get a yes or no from the community.

Things I do want

Should be a mechanical keyboard with the new switches i'm not familiar with the difference between.

Don't mind if it has abit of lighting but nothing to tacky like i'm a 12 year old gamer.

I tend to keep my hardware for years so want something that will last.

Programmable keys are nice but don't think I need them I never really used the ones on my G15.

Has to be wired won't look at any wireless keyboards.


Thanks some great info.
 
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DigDog

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well, here is the story.

to a beginner, the real difference between a standard (membrane) keyboard and a mechanical kb, is that the mechanical will last much longer.

membrane keyboards wear out rather quickly, and the switches (the thing under the key) become hard to press; on the other hand, mechanical kb - which use Cherry Mx switches, and not membrane - last much, much longer - years.

now, cherry are not the only type of mechanical switch. all switches are mechanical in one way or another but normal membrane are not referred to as mech kb.

these switches have different feels to them; for example, the IBM Model M (now cloned by Unicomp) uses the Buckling Spring switch, which is considered the best switch ever made; they come in horrible gray or black, are bulky, and do not have lights / programmable keys.
they also are indestructible and provide by far the best key feel, but the switch is *slightly* heavy to type on... for some people.

cherry switches come in various weights (harder or softer to press) and the typing experience can vary somewhat depending on this; also, they can be clicky or not, and tactile (they have a "bump" when they actuate) or not. for example, Blue Cherry Mx switches have the classic tlak-tlak sound old computer keyboards used to make, kinda like a typewriter.

Topre switches are similar in feel to a brand new membrane keyboard, but will not "get old". Some people say these are the best - i have never used them - but boy are they expensive. Also some people complain that the feel is not as unique as cherry.

cherry and topre come in standard or tenkeyless (tkl), which means you do not have the numberpad at all. this is good for gamers because it gives you more room to move your mouse, while keeping a proper posture.

all mechanical keyboards are far superior in construction to membrane keyboards; metal plate base, heavier plastics.

so it's down to what switch you prefer, really. like you, i did not know what switch i wanted, and it's really hard to decide what feels best when you can't feel it first.

my suggestion is: buy one of each. 4real.

start with buying one of the unique ones, such as a cherry mx blue or mx green (the klak-klak ones), or a unicomp.
due to the way these switches are built, they are technically slower (we're talking milliseconds) than a "normal" switch so they might not be the best choice if you are a hardcore gamer, for example if you play FPS games.
however, these will certainly give you a great feeling when you use them and you will feel like you bought something unique.

going straight to topre you might not the money spent was worth the difference.

if you do play a ton of fps, like UT or quake, get a tkl with cherry Red switches. fastest actuation and least pressure to use, but sensitive to mistypes, so not good for DOTA and such. personally i play quake on a cherry mx clear (very hard to actuate, lots of pressure) and i had to get used to them, but now they feel fine.

oh btw, not only can you select the switch .. you can select the keycaps as well; generally, they will be either ABS (the classic plastic every normal keyboard is made of) or PBT, which is granier, harder, and feels like plastic used to feel in the 70s - the superior one.


so my recommendation is to buy something like this
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1501

made by Leopold (one of the best makes), its a tenkeyless with PBT keycaps and Cherry MX Blue switches. while you figure out what your ideal keyboard is, this one is guaranteed to make you go "wow", and all for a hundred bucks.
 

VirtualLarry

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I have a pair of IBM Model M13 boards, the ones with the TrackPoint II mechanism built-in (with PS/2 mouse pass-through, too).

Sadly, the cable where it exits the keyboard is broken, on both of them. Not sure where to get them repaired.

Haven't taken them apart yet.

Would LOVE to get them fixed, by far my favorite keyboards, ever. (Used to do programming.)

Noisy, but fun to type on, and actually comfortable.
 

bononos

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Aug 21, 2011
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No Problem!
I'm being vague cause i'm not 100% sure what I want yet.
and trying to get you guys to point me in the right direction.
Maybe I should just keep posting the links of what i'm looking at then get a yes or no from the community.

Things I do want
Should be a mechanical keyboard with the new switches i'm not familiar with the difference between.
Don't mind if it has abit of lighting but nothing to tacky like i'm a 12 year old gamer.
I tend to keep my hardware for years so want something that will last.
Programmable keys are nice but don't think I need them I never really used the ones on my G15.
Has to be wired won't look at any wireless keyboards.
Thanks some great info.

Even without knowing anything about mechanicals, you should be able to make up your mind on the color, layout - fullsize, tkl (no keypad), 65%, 60% and whether you want tactile and audible feedback. How loud do you want it to be? And if it needs backlighting which is useful in the dark.

Gaming brands Corsair/coolermaster mostly have a non-std keycap sizes on their lowest row and will make replacement keycaps a hassle.

A good first choice is the cherry brown - tactile without the click and moderate force. List of common switches:
http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/index.php/2012/12/an-introduction-to-cherry-mx-mechanical-switches/

The basic Ducky One cherry brown fullsize is available for $100 shipped, $90 for the tkl version. Filco's are around $150 at amazon. Leopold is solid as well. Keycool fullsize browns are cheaper because they use clones but its a reputable Chinese brand and you get backlighting for $100. Don't bother about keycaps yet, you can always change it later.
 

nerp

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I have a pair of IBM Model M13 boards, the ones with the TrackPoint II mechanism built-in (with PS/2 mouse pass-through, too).

Sadly, the cable where it exits the keyboard is broken, on both of them. Not sure where to get them repaired.

Haven't taken them apart yet.

Would LOVE to get them fixed, by far my favorite keyboards, ever. (Used to do programming.)

Noisy, but fun to type on, and actually comfortable.

The folks at clickykeyboards.com might be able to fix it for you.
 

WhiteNoise

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I currently own and love my Corsair K70


  • Cherry MX Red Mechanical Key Switches
  • 100% Anti-Ghosting with full key rollover on USB
  • Black anodized, brushed aluminum chassis
  • USB pass-through
I've owned a number of keyboards over the years but this one is by far my favorite. It is backlit but the lights can be turned off.
 
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Mike64

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For actually using a keyboard to write or do programming, not gaming, you want an original IBM Model M
Well, maybe. While I certainly used plenty of them at the time, I never managed to snag a first-generation one of my own, but I do still have a couple of early-ish "original equipment" Model Ms that I scavenged over the years, and even used one on the last PC I had that still had a PS/2 socket. But even given the only minor effort/cost it would take to get an adapter, I've never gotten around to it. They're nice keyboards, and I'll never actually get rid of them, but for day-to-day typing, I think there's something to be said for leaving the 20th century in the 20th century. First, foremost (and mostly), the noise, imnsho, gets old, fast. I really don't miss the constant "clackety-clack" ("clickety-click" is much too charitable.) Unless you're a hunt-and-peck or 2-fingered typist, the noise really does get pretty freaking loud (and forget typing on one at all if anyone within earshot is trying to sleep or even watch TV!) Not to mention that while I learned to type on typewriters in the first place, a couple of decades is plenty long enough to have gotten used to not having to exert real physical force with my fingertips on a keyboard. Not a huge issue, but unless you're also a musical keyboard player who can use the exercise, what's the point?

{ETA: Those issues are a lot more relevant to word processing or heavy emailing (basically, typing text longer than a paragraph or 2 at a time) than programming, let alone stuff like web surfing, since the latter are much more stop-and-go than typing "documents"...]

Offhand I forget the model, but I personally really liked the OEM keyboard that came with my current Dell (ca late 2008), all over which I unfortunately spilled sweetened (but at least black) iced coffee about 6 months ago. It was actually the first time in 35 years of using computer keyboards regularly that I ever spilled any amount of liquid worth mentioning on one at all, but when I finally did it, I did it in a big way so the clean-up job is going to be a big enough bitch that I've had trouble getting motivated to even start on it... The Logitech K120 (the cheapest thing I could find on short notice) I bought as what was meant to be a short-term stand-in is absolutely horrible as keyboards go, but even that hasn't been so terrible to use (after getting used to its squishy, unevenly responsive keys) that it's been strong motivation to deal with the Dell. And for that matter, I have several other crappy, generic USB keyboards lying around that I use for typing in non-Roman alphabets, and they're all basically dealable with for occasional use. Overall, unless you're gaming, I think worrying too much about "quality" keyboards is making mountains out of molehills...

ETA2: The Dell is their L100. Very basic, and I'm not really recommending it as a replacement keyboard in general, but it does suggest one can find keyboards that are reasonably comfortable to use without going mechanical-switch and/or spending big bucks. Also turns out they're plentiful on Ebay and cheap (used, in good condition) to fairly cheap (NIB). (I really don't know why I didn't look sooner, but now that I have, if just running my old one under a tap for a while and letting it dry out doesn't work, I'm just going to replace it rather than go crazy trying to clean it nook by cranny...)
 
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killster1

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Das ultimate 4 is what I want. Only issue is the keys are blank! I'd be tempted at other keyboards but after see how clean it looks and the 2x usb3 ports (can see that being handy for wireless mouse or thumb drive.. my budget is same.. I don't mind spend more but I like value and quality..
 

Puffnstuff

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Keyboards are subjective and you might not care for what another person likes. With that said I would tell you to go to a local brick and mortar store and try some out to see how you like the layout and feel when you use it. Personally I love my Logitech g910 orion spark and the short throw keys for typing plus I like assigning individual key colors.
 
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The latest trend is a shorter travel distance to actuation.

I have two 6Gv2 keyboards. One with Black MXs, and the other with Reds. They are solid. I'm not a keyboard guru but these are decent. I know there are some guys out there that know a hell of a lot more than I do. You might want to check the OC forums. Ran across a couple of keyboard freqs on there
 

Makaveli

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The latest trend is a shorter travel distance to actuation.

I have two 6Gv2 keyboards. One with Black MXs, and the other with Reds. They are solid. I'm not a keyboard guru but these are decent. I know there are some guys out there that know a hell of a lot more than I do. You might want to check the OC forums. Ran across a couple of keyboard freqs on there

Will do thanks for the tip
 

Chaotic42

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If you won't want an actual IBM Model M, but still want a buckling spring (I bought one to use for work), check out Unicomp
 

bigboxes

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I have a pair of IBM Model M13 boards, the ones with the TrackPoint II mechanism built-in (with PS/2 mouse pass-through, too).

Sadly, the cable where it exits the keyboard is broken, on both of them. Not sure where to get them repaired.

Haven't taken them apart yet.

Would LOVE to get them fixed, by far my favorite keyboards, ever. (Used to do programming.)

Noisy, but fun to type on, and actually comfortable.

The forums at Geekhack helped me out when I needed to replace a cable on one of my Cherry keyboards. It the de facto place to go to talk way too much about keyboards.

As for the OP, I personally love my Cherry G80-3000 keyboard. I rarely game but type up a storm and the lightly clicky with tactile feedback MX Blue switches are perfect for me. Now, if you mostly do actual work on your computer with occasional gaming thrown in or you just don't like your keyboard to make less of a racket then I'd suggest a keyboard with MX Brown switches. Those brown switches provide the tactile feedback, but without the clicky noise that gamers just can't seem to be bothered with. Filco makes keyboards primarily with MX Brown switches. Those two models have no LEDs. If you want that here's a Ducky model that has MX Brown switches and allows color assignment to individual keys (5 different colors).
 

TidusZ

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No Problem!

I'm being vague cause i'm not 100% sure what I want yet.

Most important decision you make is going to be which switch you go with. There is a big difference between blacks vs blues, smooth or clicky. Go to a store and try them or take a gamble with what you think you'll like.

A $90 keyboard will be > a $300 keyboard if it has switches you prefer.
 
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Chaotic42

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Most important decision you make is going to be which switch you go with. There is a big difference between blacks vs blues, smooth or clicky. Go to a store and try them or take a gamble with what you think you'll like.

A $90 keyboard will be > a $300 keyboard if it has switches you prefer.

Definitely. The only Cherry keys I like are Blue and Green, plus I love the Buckling Spring keys on the Unicomp stuff I linked above. It's really a good idea to test out the different switches if you can, because I'd be miserable on the Cherry Browns.
 
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Makaveli

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Going to necro my own thread.

I ended up picking up the Logitech G810 keyboard.

On sale for $129 CAD.
 
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